Lionheadlabs: Raw Source + Domestic shipping

Good point about panda but you could be the devil we don’t know.

Give consideration to having a domestic supply. And then maybe once you’re established people would be willing to wait the 3-5 weeks because there’s a little trust formed.

I mean either way you have raws being shipped to you so how much additional risk is involved in having a small stock, if you’re smart about it.

Never claimed I was the reshipper, and storing raws is a whole different ball-game. I appreciate you sharing your opinion, but I don't think this thread is for business advice.
 
In all honesty bro we will pick everything you post apart... be careful what and how you say anything.

I don’t know if you’ve been honest or not man. Don’t take that personal.

Seems like you may have a good connection with getting raws. Idk...

I agree with @BigBaldBeardGuy though. Why not use that connection to set yourself up to be a great DOMESTIC source?
Your original plan has to many doubts to it, IMO. Too much time to wait on a gamble.
Rethink your plan and adjust accordingly. I think you’ve gotten solid advice and what might get you established here but you don’t seem to want to change your plan.

So sink with your ship..

Because that's not the business I want to be in right now. Might as well tell me to sell cars. I don't see what you mean about doubts concerning my "plan". The plan is sell raws. I'm not doing anything remarkably foreign to what any other raw source is doing. Orders have been made, independent testing is coming. When things check out, more orders will come through, so on and so forth. These are the fundamentals, and they're all that matter to people actually looking to do serious business.
 
Never claimed I was the reshipper, and storing raws is a whole different ball-game. I appreciate you sharing your opinion, but I don't think this thread is for business advice.

Ah. [emoji108] I gotcha now. So you really don’t do anything at all. You just got the great contact in China.

We order from you,
you order from China
They ship to Trailer Park Al
Trailer Park Al addresses box to us
Trailer Park Al tries to remember to delete our info before firing up the meth pipe.
Our pack arrives safely with less risk to us.

What could go wrong?
 
Ah. [emoji108] I gotcha now. So you really don’t do anything at all. You just got the great contact in China.

We order from you,
you order from China
They ship to Trailer Park Al
Trailer Park Al addresses box to us
Trailer Park Al tries to remember to delete our info before firing up the meth pipe.
Our pack arrives safely with less risk to us.

What could go wrong?

Hey man, you're welcome to assume any specifics you want, but an entire factory lives and dies by whether or not it can safely and reliably transport their shit. I really don't see the point in constructing all these contrived scenarios when they come from a place of complete ignorance. If you're really that skeptical, please feel free to not order. The people that want to take a chance on a new source are already doing so, and they will post testing. As I've been saying since the beginning, only time will tell. Words and pictures and platitudes mean nothing.
 
Because that's not the business I want to be in right now. Might as well tell me to sell cars. I don't see what you mean about doubts concerning my "plan". The plan is sell raws. I'm not doing anything remarkably foreign to what any other raw source is doing. Orders have been made, independent testing is coming. When things check out, more orders will come through, so on and so forth. These are the fundamentals, and they're all that matter to people actually looking to do serious business.
Good luck to you bro! You do you and ignore any advice along the way...

Since this thread isn’t for customers to help you with advice.. (cause you obviously got everything figured out) and it’s just for paying customers that keep their mouths closed I’m sure you’ll do just fine!

I hope your not really thinking one “said” customers independent testing will decide your fate lol. Maybe stay current in some other threads.. fuck there I go again giving advice! Damn me!!
 
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Ah. [emoji108] I gotcha now. So you really don’t do anything at all. You just got the great contact in China.

We order from you,
you order from China
They ship to Trailer Park Al
Trailer Park Al addresses box to us
Trailer Park Al tries to remember to delete our info before firing up the meth pipe.
Our pack arrives safely with less risk to us.

What could go wrong?
Holy fucking shit. This fool literally just said this thread isn't for business advice. Lmao. First off, these threads are anything, WE THE FUCKING MEMBERS, want it to be. You can fuck off now. Boo this ladyboy. Boooo. Boooo.


Shame....

@LionheadLabs of course, not you @BigBaldBeardGuy.
 
Good luck to you bro! You do you and ignore any advice along the way...

Since this thread isn’t for customers to help you with advice.. (cause you obviously got everything figured out) and it’s just for paying customers that keep their mouths closed I’m sure you’ll do just fine!

I hope your not really thinking one “said” customers independent testing will decide your fate lol. Maybe stay current in some other threads.. fuck there I go again giving advice! Damn me!!

What was your proposal again? Become a domestic source? I don't see how that changes anything besides making this entire operation a lot more risky and a lot more likely to be unsustainable.

It's just not the business I'm in man, I am sorry. I do not understand why this bothers you so much, but I am genuinely sorry I'm not living up to your expectations.
 
Hey man, you're welcome to assume any specifics you want, but an entire factory lives and dies by whether or not it can safely and reliably transport their shit. I really don't see the point in constructing all these contrived scenarios when they come from a place of complete ignorance. If you're really that skeptical, please feel free to not order. The people that want to take a chance on a new source are already doing so, and they will post testing. As I've been saying since the beginning, only time will tell. Words and pictures and platitudes mean nothing.

There you go guys. “Orders are already coming in”.

Brand new venture, already denied by SST, nothing to indicate he can pull anything off. Yet guys are willing to fork over hard-earned money to someone that only basically said “dude, trust me, you’ll get it in 3-5 weeks”.

I guess there’s nothing to do or talk about until those first orders come in. So I’ll set a reminder to check back in a month.

Cue the tumbleweeds.
 
There you go guys. “Orders are already coming in”.

Brand new venture, already denied by SST, nothing to indicate he can pull anything off. Yet guys are willing to fork over hard-earned money to someone that only basically said “dude, trust me, you’ll get it in 3-5 weeks”.

I guess there’s nothing to do or talk about until those first orders come in. So I’ll set a reminder to check back in a month.

Cue the tumbleweeds.

I have at least 2 orders doing testing right now, yes. Am I getting orders like crazy? No, and I didn't say that. SST situation I already explained. They want investment in stock/equipment; that's not what I do. They only seem comfortable doing business with Panda right now, they're aware everyone that sources raws there is just Panda. And that's okay, he's a proven source. I'll try to apply again after a few months.
 
There you go guys. “Orders are already coming in”.

Brand new venture, already denied by SST, nothing to indicate he can pull anything off. Yet guys are willing to fork over hard-earned money to someone that only basically said “dude, trust me, you’ll get it in 3-5 weeks”.

I guess there’s nothing to do or talk about until those first orders come in. So I’ll set a reminder to check back in a month.

Cue the tumbleweeds.
Then nolas testing so another 2 weeks for jano results....jano results, results, results.
 
What was your proposal again? Become a domestic source? I don't see how that changes anything besides making this entire operation a lot more risky and a lot more likely to be unsustainable.

It's just not the business I'm in man, I am sorry. I do not understand why this bothers you so much, but I am genuinely sorry I'm not living up to your expectations.
Umm how is that different than a reshipper?

Maybe I’m just all confused :confused:

I know what... o_O
I’ll stick with Panda since he’s established and bonafide :eek:
Burn!!! :D
*drops mic but feels a little bad while walking off the stage*:(
 
I have at least 2 orders doing testing right now, yes. Am I getting orders like crazy? No, and I didn't say that. SST situation I already explained. They want investment in stock/equipment; that's not what I do. They only seem comfortable doing business with Panda right now, they're aware everyone that sources raws there is just Panda. And that's okay, he's a proven source. I'll try to apply again after a few months.

In the meantime we all ya got?

But you won’t consider advice that experienced dudes are trying to give you.

You should have had a couple things shipped to Trailer Park Al already just to speed up this initial testing process. That was short-sighted as fuck, bro.
 
Umm how is that different than a reshipper?

Maybe I’m just all confused :confused:

I know what... o_O
I’ll stick with Panda since he’s established and bonafide :eek:
Burn!!! :D
*drops mic but feels a little bad while walking off the stage*:(

How is holding stock domestically different than just being a reshipper?

Hmmm. I like your style of banter haha
 
In the meantime we all ya got?

But you won’t consider advice that experienced dudes are trying to give you.

You should have had a couple things shipped to Trailer Park Al already just to speed up this initial testing process. That was short-sighted as fuck, bro.

I think there are a lot of valid concerns and questions and pieces of advice. I just don't think they would change much other than a little bit of time. The only one being impacted by that is me, which I'm okay with. The people who decided to order would be the same ones who decided to order in the scenario you described. They'd just post testing sooner, and I'd get more orders sooner.
 
How is holding stock domestically different than just being a reshipper?

Hmmm. I like your style of banter haha
Well don’t hold your own stock silly. Pay a dumbass to hold it for you :p

I know it seems like we want you to fail but that isn’t the case at all bro! We’d rather you succeed and are actually trying to offer suggestions where you may be able to do so. There only suggestions though.

You seem very strong about holding your ground on what you have laid forth thus far. Maybe it’ll work out as you planned. Maybe not. Time will only tell.

I got one point I have to put out there though....
Seems to me you know that your products are getting tested by the customers that recently ordered. For all we know you spoke to your connection and told them the same thing. Now it could seem that a higher quality product will be shipped for these recent customers now. See how that looks!??

You’re putting too much faith into launching that you’re missing these small things like this.
I mean I’ll look at their testing reports from whatever testing lab they choose but it’ll mean very little (to me).

But Good luck!
 
Well don’t hold your own stock silly. Pay a dumbass to hold it for you :p

I know it seems like we want you to fail but that isn’t the case at all bro! We’d rather you succeed and are actually trying to offer suggestions where you may be able to do so. There only suggestions though.

You seem very strong about holding your ground on what you have laid forth thus far. Maybe it’ll work out as you planned. Maybe not. Time will only tell.

I got one point I have to put out there though....
Seems to me you know that your products are getting tested by the customers that recently ordered. For all we know you spoke to your connection and told them the same thing. Now it could seem that a higher quality product will be shipped for these recent customers now. See how that looks!??

You’re putting too much faith into launching that you’re missing these small things like this.
I mean I’ll look at their testing reports from whatever testing lab that choose but it’ll mean very little for now.
(To me)

Good luck!

No matter what I do or say, you could always counter with a contrived scenario like that. That's why I keep saying, only time and action will tell. There is literally nothing I can do to change that, because you can always come up with a new narrative. Maybe I'm a narc, maybe I plan to abscond with everyone's money after I get enough orders in like a year down to line, etc.
 
I think you’d have done better to have started out with the higher pricing and utilized the reshipper stance to foster orders. Used that extra money from the higher price to send out some of the commonly bought compounds for testing and donated to AL to show you were planning on staying
 
I think you’d have done better to have started out with the higher pricing and utilized the reshipper stance to foster orders. Used that extra money from the higher price to send out some of the commonly bought compounds for testing and donated to AL to show you were planning on staying

That does sound good, I suppose I could've done the reduced pricing scenario after but it's in the past now. Moving forward I'd like to hear your feedback.
 
That does sound good, I suppose I could've done the reduced pricing scenario after but it's in the past now. Moving forward I'd like to hear your feedback.

You won’t gain any respect here by offering freebies or discounts. The members here aren’t like that.

This community cares about these things in this order

  • Our security
  • Quality of the product (testing)
  • Clear communication
If you could keep your prices competitive with PPL, while offering the option of reshipping for security purposes then you’re already a step ahead. So market the security portion and do not use a website, because we are not comfortable with the security risk that is associated.

Then you just present testing to prove your products are what you say. Obviously you can’t test everything, but at minimum random QA testing is a must.

That’s how you’ll get business. The reshipping is attractive, so market to that. But instead of offering discounts, give us the other things we want. Testing and an AL donation
 
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