Low Suppression Cycles

[Archimedes]

To keep things low key at work as far as gains and aggression, I looking for cycles that lightly suppress but not shut down the HPTA. I feel this approach keeps me from needing a PCT cycle, but still gets small steady gains over time.

I've interested on the Masteron & HCG stack as described by BR...

A property that Masteron shares with Primobolan, but which differs from trenbolone, is that it has relatively little tendency to suppress the HPTA when used at low doses. I have not yet established how high a dose may be used while maintaining only minimal inhibition of natural testosterone, but 100 mg/week is usable and very noticeably beneficial off-cycle. I would recommend that it not be employed until natural testosterone production is fully restored, however.

Two questions...

I can not find the length of time a stack like this would be optimal. Has anyone come across that data?

I also saw that Dbol by itself had the same effect, are there other stacks that fit this profile?

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Any cycle that fails to suppress the HPTA will NOT be worthwhile from an anabolic POV.

 

[tubesox]

To keep things low key at work as far as gains and aggression, I looking for cycles that lightly suppress but not shut down the HPTA. I feel this approach keeps me from needing a PCT cycle, but still gets small steady gains over time.

I've interested on the Masteron & HCG stack as described by BR...



Two questions...

I can not find the length of time a stack like this would be optimal. Has anyone come across that data?

I also saw that Dbol by itself had the same effect, are there other stacks that fit this profile?

ive heard of long low EQ and Primo runs

 

[bigrobbie]

To keep things low key at work as far as gains and aggression, I looking for cycles that lightly suppress but not shut down the HPTA. I feel this approach keeps me from needing a PCT cycle, but still gets small steady gains over time.

I've interested on the Masteron & HCG stack as described by BR...



Two questions...

I can not find the length of time a stack like this would be optimal. Has anyone come across that data?

I also saw that Dbol by itself had the same effect, are there other stacks that fit this profile?

I was told many years ago by an old timer...your gonna shut your hpta down because thats the price of the gains you get...and shutdown/supression is shutdown/supression...trying to stay "less suppressed" is pointless.

Now I have friends who argue with me all day over this theory, and Im not refering to drugs to help with the side effects of hpta shutdown like hcg, hmg, etc....but any cycle giving you satisfactory results is not without LH, FSH and sperm production being effected! IMHO....

 

[foreveryoung]

even if that works to only minimally shut you down short term, what is it you would hope to achieve that would be beneficial or long term from it, benefits would likely be zero

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Any cycle that fails to suppress the HPTA will NOT be worthwhile from an anabolic POV.

Let me qualify somewhat. Any AAS cycle. MYOi would be great, if available!

 

[Millard]

I can not find the length of time a stack like this would be optimal. Has anyone come across that data?

I also saw that Dbol by itself had the same effect, are there other stacks that fit this profile?

I think questions involving which AAS is most and least suppressive is interesting but once you take high enough dose for any length of time, it doesn't matter; HPTA suppression starts approaching 100%.

What difference does it make if Masteron is less suppressive than Trenbolone at 100mg/week if you're using 600mg/week?

Also, because some steroids may be used in manners that are less suppressive than others, it doesn't mean they are not suppressive at all. You can't avoid the fact that all AAS are suppresive to some degree including Dianabol.

Still, Bill Roberts has been looking for ways in which AAS can be used in a way to minimize HPTA impact. For example, once-a-day dosing of Dianabol may be less suppressive than multiple-times-per-day. And brief alternative cycles popularized by Bill Roberts may minimize the degree, and certainly the length of HPTA disruption.

 

[Archimedes]

even if that works to only minimally shut you down short term, what is it you would hope to achieve that would be beneficial or long term from it, benefits would likely be zero

Great replies as anticipated. I failed to provide enough data around what is mostly likely a very different profile commonly posted, but I suspect not unique one.

Middle aged guy who tested for sub 300 TT levels, jumped on TRT 100mg for 8 weeks and saw incremental improvement even at these doses with the same training plan. Then listened to the Scally radio broadcast and realized that letting my HPTA shutdown long term might prove unwise if unseen events unfold.

The further point of if you are going to shut down your HPTA you might as well use an anabolic dose, got me thinking the more traditional route. However, in a high profile job, the aggressiveness would be noticeable.

I then stumble on the Robert’s article outlining what he uses a bridge cycle and then other articles questions the disdain for these types of approaches (low HPTA impact, moderate gains)

Dianabol can also be used alone. Many treat such usage with disdain, but in times past many excellent physiques were built with Dianabol as the sole performance-enhancing drug, and even today a few get good benefit from Dbol used alone.

He then talks about his favorite stack of HCG and Mast, where in the first quote I posted he cites

maintaining only minimal inhibition of natural testosterone, but 100 mg/week is usable and very noticeably beneficial off-cycle

This last statement caught my attention I thought it worth a question to post on the board.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

The following thread provides some insight to an oral cycle (Oxandrolone). The import of which is the anabolic effect is lost post AAS without PCT. But, surprisingly, the fat loss is maintained. This reason might be why some consider a "light" cycle with no PCT as anabolic. https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134286282