Macro Development - Tailored Training and Nutrition

[ickyrica]

Dude you have no life whatsoever outside all of this. I trump you in every aspect besides BB! What have you done with your life besides stuff your mouth full of meat and lift heavy things. I’m not impressed by your physique Being that your barely stand above 5 foot and fucking your wife is probably like fucking a ripped old man! Definitely pretty haggard by my standards! Go fuck yourself batty bwoy!!

you don't care about the optics of all this banter, obviously, but dude, you look like a jackass to probably everyone but yourself.

 

[ickyrica]

I think it’s because I hang in the TGI thread. Honestly. I think that’s it. I’ve had so little direct interaction with him.

Either way, I knew Atlas wasn’t going to lose clients because of me. I know they do a great job. If I had thought either of them would’ve seen this as a slight I would’ve had reservations about it. Their guys are happy and preaching it all over the forum. And I absolutely will not play lowest bidder/most services for the least. Anyone playing that game with me and Atlas will be ignored from this end. And if Meso only needed/wanted one coaching service I wouldn’t have had guys inquire literally on day 1.

Does anyone complain when another viable gear source pops up..?

It's odd, not sure what to make of it? Do your thing bro, only good shit will come from honest coaching.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

you don't care about the optics of all this banter, obviously, but dude, you look like a jackass to probably everyone but yourself.

He’s still talking isn’t he? I wonder how long it’ll take for him to realize I couldn’t give two fucks about his opinion of me or this.

 

[ickyrica]

He’s still talking isn’t he? I wonder how long it’ll take for him to realize I couldn’t give two fucks about his opinion of me or this.

He is, lol

 

[mands]

@Morefyah I appreciate you taking a stance but no need to do so on this one. Not sure if you have a personal beef with Mac? I know we welcome this and MESO needs it. @Wunderpus and I are very busy and pretty much to our fill on clients.

We have even talked that @Atlas_Physiques pick up @fodsod and @Mac11wildcat to work on our team. I believe fodsod knows this but Mac I never approached.

With that said Good luck @Mac11wildcat and if you have any questions about how it's been for us training meso members and even their wives let us know.

I know you train in person as do I and if you ever want to bounce anything off your chest I'm always around.

mands

 

[MacBuilt]

@Morefyah I appreciate you taking a stance but no need to do so on this one. Not sure if you have a personal beef with Mac? I know we welcome this and MESO needs it. @Wunderpus and I are very busy and pretty much to our fill on clients.

We have even talked that @Atlas_Physiques pick up @fodsod and @Mac11wildcat to work on our team. I believe fodsod knows this but Mac I never approached.

With that said Good luck @Mac11wildcat and if you have any questions about how it's been for us training meso members and even their wives let us know.

mands

@mands @Wunderpus I appreciate this. If I had thought there would be an issue, I’d have both approached you first and had serious reservations about it. Also appreciate the vote of confidence in your considering me at some point for your own endeavor. Means a lot to me.

I know you guys are crushing it over there. Your clients are happy and letting it be known.

I’m sure I’ll hit the same sort of challenges you did in launching and I appreciate the offer. And this is how I had hoped it’d go. You guys are, as always, stand up gentlemen.

 

[Sp2.0]

@Morefyah I appreciate you taking a stance but no need to do so on this one. Not sure if you have a personal beef with Mac? I know we welcome this and MESO needs it. @Wunderpus and I are very busy and pretty much to our fill on clients.

We have even talked that @Atlas_Physiques pick up @fodsod and @Mac11wildcat to work on our team. I believe fodsod knows this but Mac I never approached.

With that said Good luck @Mac11wildcat and if you have any questions about how it's been for us training meso members and even their wives let us know.

I know you train in person as do I and if you ever want to bounce anything off your chest I'm always around.

mands

Keeping it classy as expected

 

[fodsod]

Wow, I get off MESO for a day and WFT? This thread takes a serious nose dive.

My personal opinion is that options are great. @mands and @Wunderpus are meeting certain needs but won't jive for everyone coaching wise, that's just how it works. I've seen no complaints from anyone on their service so it must be excellent. I know the knowledge is there.

@Mac11wildcat is about as open with his entire program as one can get including details most would hide and posting pics to show the progress. He admits to knowing nothing more than what he knows and just as other high level guys do, he has a coach to help him get to the next level. That's how you learn and get better then it gets passed on to the people you coach/train.

His knowledge and approach will benefit some so what's the issue? He's building towards being a pro and there isn't a pro (or high level amateur) out there that doesn't do online coaching or personal training. I just don't see the problem.

 

[T-Bagger]

@Morefyah I appreciate you taking a stance but no need to do so on this one. Not sure if you have a personal beef with Mac? I know we welcome this and MESO needs it. @Wunderpus and I are very busy and pretty much to our fill on clients.

We have even talked that @Atlas_Physiques pick up @fodsod and @Mac11wildcat to work on our team. I believe fodsod knows this but Mac I never approached.

With that said Good luck @Mac11wildcat and if you have any questions about how it's been for us training meso members and even their wives let us know.

I know you train in person as do I and if you ever want to bounce anything off your chest I'm always around.

mands

Always a class act @mands

 

[Sven_Northman]

This is a great service you're offering Mac. Right on man. I've enjoyed reading all your posts and appreciate the knowledge you've shared. It takes serious discipline and solid planning to build a great physique. Just might have to hit you up on this!

 

[MacBuilt]

This is a great service you're offering Mac. Right on man. I've enjoyed reading all your posts and appreciate the knowledge you've shared. It takes serious discipline and solid planning to build a great physique. Just might have to hit you up on this!

Any time you’re ready man. Appreciate the kind words and happy to help!

 

[Wunderpus]

@mands @Wunderpus I appreciate this. If I had thought there would be an issue, I’d have both approached you first and had serious reservations about it. Also appreciate the vote of confidence in your considering me at some point for your own endeavor. Means a lot to me.

I know you guys are crushing it over there. Your clients are happy and letting it be known.

I’m sure I’ll hit the same sort of challenges you did in launching and I appreciate the offer. And this is how I had hoped it’d go. You guys are, as always, stand up gentlemen.

I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor. Frankly, if I had thought of it, I would've approached you and discussed a joint venture plan rather than having 2 entities essentially offering the same services, as Mands and I are entirely full and booked up (with people who would happily hop on if we could take them).

So, if for any sort of reason you wish to consider a more synergistic approach, we would be happy to entertain it.

Either way, no feelings hurt and I have the utmost confidence in your ability to guide folks down the right path. If I did not, I would not have mentioned the above idea regarding a possible joint venture.

 

[ickyrica]

And this is the good shit Meso provides that so many people just gloss over and never pay attention to. Aside from being willing and able to provide a legitimate service, the respect and candor between you guys is perfect. The cream always rises to the top

 

[Wunderpus]

And this is the good shit Meso provides that so many people just gloss over and never pay attention to. Aside from being willing and able to provide a legitimate service, the respect and candor between you guys is perfect. The cream always rises to the top

Ah, yes, Icky... You know Mands and I have been around a long time (especially collectively). We spent a long time talking about Atlas and going over pros and cons, etc. etc. (even talking with Millard and other members, getting their thoughts and their "okays").

It's more work than people realize, running these plans and catering to everyone's individual needs, plus being responsive and able to adjust things as needed on a dime. We do our best, but we are essentially at capacity if we wish to provide the highest quality service we aimed to produce from day one. Frankly, we will NOT compromise our quality in order to bring in more money/clients, we're terrified of that.

Capitalism has proven that competition, in all senses, yields better products - results in this case - for the consumers. So, I would hope to see nothing but progress for our community as a whole with the expansion of a new training service being offered to folks.

Again, to reiterate, I am happy to see Mac doing his thing and hopefully he will be successful with it, and have happy clients. That's a win in my eyes.

 

[T-Bagger]

Ah, yes, Icky... You know Mands and I have been around a long time (especially collectively). We spent a long time talking about Atlas and going over pros and cons, etc. etc. (even talking with Millard and other members, getting their thoughts and their "okays").

It's more work than people realize, running these plans and catering to everyone's individual needs, plus being responsive and able to adjust things as needed on a dime. We do our best, but we are essentially at capacity if we wish to provide the highest quality service we aimed to produce from day one. Frankly, we will NOT compromise our quality in order to bring in more money/clients, we're terrified of that.

Capitalism has proven that competition, in all senses, yields better products - results in this case - for the consumers. So, I would hope to see nothing but progress for our community as a whole with the expansion of a new training service being offered to folks.

Again, to reiterate, I am happy to see Mac doing his thing and hopefully he will be successful with it, and have happy clients. That's a win in my eyes.

Also a class act bro

 

[MacBuilt]

I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor. Frankly, if I had thought of it, I would've approached you and discussed a joint venture plan rather than having 2 entities essentially offering the same services, as Mands and I are entirely full and booked up (with people who would happily hop on if we could take them).

So, if for any sort of reason you wish to consider a more synergistic approach, we would be happy to entertain it.

Either way, no feelings hurt and I have the utmost confidence in your ability to guide folks down the right path. If I did not, I would not have mentioned the above idea regarding a possible joint venture.

I think this is an entirely worth while discussion for the 3 us to have. If it provides efficiency to offer more training spots to Meso it’s a win for the board and I doubt there isn’t some learning, and synergy as you say, to be leveraged.

Frankly, we will NOT compromise our quality in order to bring in more money/clients, we're terrified of that.

Absofuckinglutely

 

[weighted chinup]

I've said it before, this is the type of thing Meso needs more of and investing in coaching should take precedence before investing heavily in drugs.

I've been supportive of other Meso members pursuing this endeavor in the past and will continue to be moving forward: it's needed.

The fact that Atlas is doing as well as they are shows how much of a need there is for quality coaching on this board and that there is plenty of room for a healthy ecosystem of service providers to exist on this forum.

Meso is probably the highest volume AAS board there is and has the highest pedigree of prominent contributors spanning from the '90s to now, the idea that writers/trainers/doctors or whomever else on this board shouldn't be allowed to monetize their services is nuts. @Eman you summarized things nicely, but it should hardly come as a surprise. A few years ago there was a thread where a few members were critical of Scally because he charges for consultations with patients, I guess he should be doing that for free via PM just for fun. That blew my mind but I guess any kind of monetization will always irritate some people.

With that said, I am happy to say I have signed on with @MacBuilt . I purchased 3 months of the no-guessing option and the plan is to stay on until January 2020.

This timeframe covers my rebound phase from months of dieting (an extremely critical stage to handle correctly), a planned cruise phase, and a heavy off-season phase where I hope to make significant improvements that I can take with me to the Spring 2020 show season.

Very excited to commence the plan.

 

[ickyrica]

So you're the victim

 

[Mac11wildcat]

So you're the victim

He’s the second victim.

I've said it before, this is the type of thing Meso needs more of and investing in coaching should take precedence before investing heavily in drugs.

I've been supportive of other Meso members pursuing this endeavor in the past and will continue to be moving forward: it's needed.

The fact that Atlas is doing as well as they are shows how much of a need there is for quality coaching on this board and that there is plenty of room for a healthy ecosystem of service providers to exist on this forum.

Meso is probably the highest volume AAS board there is and has the highest pedigree of prominent contributors spanning from the '90s to now, the idea that writers/trainers/doctors or whomever else on this board shouldn't be allowed to monetize their services is nuts. @Eman you summarized things nicely, but it should hardly come as a surprise. A few years ago there was a thread where a few members were critical of Scally because he charges for consultations with patients, I guess he should be doing that for free via PM just for fun. That blew my mind but I guess any kind of monetization will always irritate some people.

With that said, I am happy to say I have signed on with @MacBuilt . I purchased 3 months of the no-guessing option and the plan is to stay on until January 2020.

This timeframe covers my rebound phase from months of dieting (an extremely critical stage to handle correctly), a planned cruise phase, and a heavy off-season phase where I hope to make significant improvements that I can take with me to the Spring 2020 show season.

Very excited to commence the plan.

Thrilled to have you brother.

 

[Eman]

A few years ago there was a thread where a few members were critical of Scally because he charges for consultations with patients, I guess he should be doing that for free via PM just for fun. That blew my mind but I guess any kind of monetization will always irritate some people.

I remember that. It was a very disappointing thing to see.

I suppose people automatically assume that cost equates to greed... Maybe sometimes that has some truth to it, but it's the exception to the general rule. I tell clients at work who want a price break that I'd love to do shit for free... But that's just not how the world works, particularly how a business works.

I was just telling mands this morning via text that I don't know how him and wunder find the time to do what they're doing... Mands has kids and I know wunder is a busy person in his personal and professional life. I don't even have kids and I honestly don't think I'd be able to help even one person to the point of not feeling guilty taking money, I just don't have enough time in my life to give someone the attention they're needing and paying for. With that said, they all deserve some kind of compensation for their time and all the numbers I've seen are TOTALLY reasonable. You can find Instagram coaches that charge double or more what these guys are asking for... And they're honest enough to draw the line when they know they can't give the potential client enough focus.

I've already said it several times but, again, I would love to see more coaching on Meso... Less focus on drugs so they can be used how they SHOULD be used by default.

All this detracting nonsense because someone is butthurt about who the fuck knows what. Would be great if that part of Meso faded away also, but fuck... It's decent entertainment value if nothing else.