Morefyah
Banned
I’ll be putting you in check as long as your here at Meso. This is just the sweet beginnings little man!
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Macro Development - Tailored Training and Nutrition
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I’m not sure if Brutus and morefyah could suck each other’s dick any harder.
Both are so jealous that people here with less time than them are like more?
Keep on slinging insults, no one respects or actually cares what either of you say.
Both are so jealous that people here with less time than them are like more?
Keep on slinging insults, no one respects or actually cares what either of you say.
Eman
Master
For what... A few hundred bucks a month? Seems hardly worth the time and effort to me.
He could have just as easily posted his coaching thread on day one and posted nothing else on the forum and still gotten clients. Sources are able to accomplish the same thing with substances that require injections.
Regardless, I stand by my comments that more coaching on Meso is a positive thing. The pieces just don't fit together for me as to this being an elaborate ruse up to this point to gain clients for coaching.
Keep proving you have no idea who anyone is here. I'm late to the party... you a customer of mac's? One of the big 3 the size of my calf hoping to get to be the swolest 5 footer the world ever saw?
You keep seeming as though you speak for everyone here. Where do you take your polls? I have been here for years and never heard of you, I talk to a number of vets off this board and from other boards- again- never heard someone talk about how iceman is their delegate in the forum universe. Yet- you seem EXTREMELY sure of yourself and I wonder how that happens. Do you and mac trade off who sits on whose shoulders when you want to ride a roller coaster?
No... I read the timeline and saw someone I knew for years arguing with a couple of nobodies slinging some heavy insults.... and after learning it was a guy who posed as a member for 3000 posts to assume some kind of credibility for his business venture I became even more disgusted.
Don’t forget my elaborate 6months of planning and scheming all to voluntarily slow my service down in the first week to make sure my actual job and life don’t interfere and have to take priority over providing value to the guys that sign up...
3000 posts in six months. Either you need therapy or you are up to something. You post a crazy amount- and this fucking dude was posting at a rate more than DOUBLE that of you. I only see one scenario where that makes sense- this dude literally said "I have proven my value with my posts". Verbatim.
And now he is doing the "taking himself private gimmick" with his too many clients already. Lmfao.
You cannot possibly have a job and post over 500 times a month. Unless you are a janitor or something.
Eman
Master
He has a cycle/training log, I do not. If I did, I estimate my posts to be twice to 2.5x more than I currently post if I were as active in said log or being asked as many questions as he's asked. I imagine that makes up a significant portion of the difference.
What is your suspicion of his real intentions exactly? Selling gear behind the guise of a coach? I find that unlikely as well, he's never present in brewing threads where the behind the scenes sources are often present. Simply gaining trust through appearance over time in order to coach members? If that's true, I still see it as a reach but I wouldn't be thrilled if that were confirmed... It still doesn't seem overly malicious though. I'm just not sure what exactly the "something" he's up to is that you're referring to.
Oldschool
Member
LMFAO
I could be coaching randoms on Instagram with far less accountability and personal risk, and probably making far more if my only intention was to ride a media service for all it’s worth in coaching clients. I ONLY spend time coaching here. And I do so because the amount of time I spent answering questions and spoon feeding guys diet and training advice was getting absurd. Rather than stop, I monetized the heavy details...AND still post and help in threads when I can.
I spend time here. I source for my own goals here. I’ve answered and sent hundreds of PMs helping guys or asking for help from guys with knowledge I don’t have. That’s all useless if the goal is to gain some basic level of trust. Don’t have to do much for people to throw money your way here. Venom was a good bit of proof of that.
If either of them brings a valid point (they’re both on ignore btw) and you guys require my response or anything of the sort. Let me know.
Fucking try to help a few guys maximize their gear use and get hounded by the dregs of the forum. Makes no sense to me. They can go back to their caves whenever theyre done looking dumb as fuck.
I honestly don't trust anyone who posts 6000 times a year... and when all of the sudden I see them offering goods or services for money- and passing themselves off as altruistic- I throw up in my mouth a little bit. He could sell people gear that kills them, offer them training advice that leaves them paralyzed and I couldn't care less. It's just the "I'm just here to help" act with a hand out that irritates me to no end. Its whatever to be honest- just saw endgame and I am bored enough to whip up some discontent and not so bored I want to call a lady friend up to ease my testicular bounty.
Test_Subject
Member
I've seen some conspiracy theories come true on here, but to think that someone would post as much as @Mac11wildcat has, and offer as much help to new members as he has, all with the intent to eventually make a few bucks training people?
I've been wrong before, but that seems like quite a stretch.
From what I've seen, he tells people to take less gear and train smarter, not take more gear. That seems out of character for someone whose motivation is trying to sell gear.
I've been wrong before, but that seems like quite a stretch.
From what I've seen, he tells people to take less gear and train smarter, not take more gear. That seems out of character for someone whose motivation is trying to sell gear.
Holidaypay
Well-known Member
I know my word isnt worth anything to u @brutus79 but a couple months ago I messaged mac for advise on training because he seemed knowledgeable an he helped me out gave me his opinions on my rep ranges an heavyweight lifting compared to lightweight he answered all my questions fast an never once mentioned coaching or any services I feel that if that was his agenda I would have Ben a very easy person to approach an test the waters again I know u don't give a fuck what I say it seems like ur comming to a freinds defence but imo mac has never shown an hidden agendas
Eman
Master
I don't know why you'd sooner judge the frequency of one's posts instead of the content that lies within them.
Well, mission accomplished. You are the Thanos to Meso's universe.
mp46
New Member
Wow I leave for a few days and this is what I step into? Well, It's going to be a long post now. I'm glad the guys at Atlas stepped in here to voice their opinion. For someone to bash Mac for "stealing" an idea is completely stupid, do we bash sources for stealing that business model? Then the "inventors" of online training step in and not only give a kind word but admit they wanted to recruit him, then people still shit on Mac? Tells me they're trolling or they feel (probably incorrectly) they've been robbed.
I'm kind of torn if Mac decided to join up with Atlas, not because I have anything against them but because I know the kind of attention and detail Mac puts into it all and I wouldn't want to lose that. I sent a message and he was extremely helpful in discussing my goals and possible paths before I even committed to anything. I liked the pricing, structure and the fact I'd be dealing with a single person. The fact that he was putting a limit of 3 people to start and less than $200 if someone went all in meant (to me) he wanted to help people more than make money. $600 a month max for dealing with whiny bitches on the internet with daily questions and weekly check-ins? Yea, his personal profile was all a rouse for 6 months to make a few hundred bucks.
Anyway I liked what he had to offer we came to an agreement on my expectations and he sent over a more detailed questionnaire than what my doc gave me before he prescribed me test and put me on a life altering course. Of the probably two pages of questions there were only two about AAS; what were your past cycles, and what is your current usage I think they were. Take those two questions out and that's still more detailed then certified personal trainers I know.
The other thing that stuck out to me was Mac wanted to work around my lifestyle to accommodate my goals, not tell me what to do and that's the only way. There's half a dozen messages in the first day clarifying when I'm able to eat, what can I eat or prefer to eat. Access to the gym, schedules, training preference, style, etc. He's made every attempt possible to make sure we set realistic goals for my lifestyle so neither of us is disappointed in the results. I've been forth coming with everything and what I'm willing to change and not and he's accommodated it.
As far as communication he's answered every message I've sent with details and follow up questions to make sure we're both on the same page. I've sent messages not expecting a response for a while and he's right back with an answer.
As for the plan, I want to cut some serious weight after a few life changing events and get myself back on track. I was up front about what my short term goals were and where my long term goals are in 3-5 years. I decided on a 4 month plan, I wanted a month to build up to his diet and training then run a cut cycle. We discussed AAS in one paragraph out of a couple dozen messages and that was it, he actually stated that they weren't entirely necessary with my short term goal. We haven't spoken about it since and everything has been focused diet and training. I have no worries about him pushing gear on me or anyone else, he's pretty active in the source threads so one can take an educated guess that he's not sourcing nor will be.
All in all, with the emails and plans I've gotten so far I'm completely satisfied, sure I could spend half as much to get some detailed cookie cutter diets and training but so far it's all been worth it. The communication, the quick turn around for plans/ideas, and the highly detailed road map custom made for me with the ability to tweak it on the fly.
I'll be checking in here as I get chances to, I'll post pictures as we progress when I'm not so embarrassed by my physique. I can say I'm probably not the kind of client Mac was expecting and both of us have our work cut out for sure. Other than that we'll let the results speak for themselves.
I'm kind of torn if Mac decided to join up with Atlas, not because I have anything against them but because I know the kind of attention and detail Mac puts into it all and I wouldn't want to lose that. I sent a message and he was extremely helpful in discussing my goals and possible paths before I even committed to anything. I liked the pricing, structure and the fact I'd be dealing with a single person. The fact that he was putting a limit of 3 people to start and less than $200 if someone went all in meant (to me) he wanted to help people more than make money. $600 a month max for dealing with whiny bitches on the internet with daily questions and weekly check-ins? Yea, his personal profile was all a rouse for 6 months to make a few hundred bucks.
Anyway I liked what he had to offer we came to an agreement on my expectations and he sent over a more detailed questionnaire than what my doc gave me before he prescribed me test and put me on a life altering course. Of the probably two pages of questions there were only two about AAS; what were your past cycles, and what is your current usage I think they were. Take those two questions out and that's still more detailed then certified personal trainers I know.
The other thing that stuck out to me was Mac wanted to work around my lifestyle to accommodate my goals, not tell me what to do and that's the only way. There's half a dozen messages in the first day clarifying when I'm able to eat, what can I eat or prefer to eat. Access to the gym, schedules, training preference, style, etc. He's made every attempt possible to make sure we set realistic goals for my lifestyle so neither of us is disappointed in the results. I've been forth coming with everything and what I'm willing to change and not and he's accommodated it.
As far as communication he's answered every message I've sent with details and follow up questions to make sure we're both on the same page. I've sent messages not expecting a response for a while and he's right back with an answer.
As for the plan, I want to cut some serious weight after a few life changing events and get myself back on track. I was up front about what my short term goals were and where my long term goals are in 3-5 years. I decided on a 4 month plan, I wanted a month to build up to his diet and training then run a cut cycle. We discussed AAS in one paragraph out of a couple dozen messages and that was it, he actually stated that they weren't entirely necessary with my short term goal. We haven't spoken about it since and everything has been focused diet and training. I have no worries about him pushing gear on me or anyone else, he's pretty active in the source threads so one can take an educated guess that he's not sourcing nor will be.
All in all, with the emails and plans I've gotten so far I'm completely satisfied, sure I could spend half as much to get some detailed cookie cutter diets and training but so far it's all been worth it. The communication, the quick turn around for plans/ideas, and the highly detailed road map custom made for me with the ability to tweak it on the fly.
I'll be checking in here as I get chances to, I'll post pictures as we progress when I'm not so embarrassed by my physique. I can say I'm probably not the kind of client Mac was expecting and both of us have our work cut out for sure. Other than that we'll let the results speak for themselves.
Appreciate your feedback here, though I definitely don’t want you to feel pressured to do so because of these two. Any time you’re ready to show progress to the forum is on you; word gets around whether you shout from the rooftops or not.
Whether either of them mean well or just can’t get over themselves trying to raise havoc, they’ll see very shortly there was nothing to stand on to make these accusations. I’m a bit clueless as to the level of hostility given that guys are pedaling literal poison in source threads while we fight over me helping members but so be it. They can ignore the positive words from respected members posted before them; the positive feedback and progress to come will be harder to ignore.
The Terminator
Well-known Member
What about short non-bodybuilders, how do you feel about them?
The Terminator
Well-known Member
So was there an actual incident that triggered this rivalry? Last I remember morefoya would ask mac workout or diet questions or something in a few threads.
If there was I need a refresh of how it came to be. Otherwise I’m assuming it’s because I’m a new TGI customer.
