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BigBaldBeardGuy said:
I know. But I’m saying you’re getting the same initial abuse that we do to vet sources. It’s always intended to rattle and see how they handle it. Just don’t take it personal or get too defensive. That’s all I’m really saying.
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I have a fundamental problem with this approach being applied to things other than black market business dealings. I see as much utility in trying to rattle a coach to assess his worth as trying to rattle any other legitimate service to assess their worth that you would use in day to day life.

Trying to get a black market vendor shook to asses how they handle problems may have some slight value, but would you agree that trying to fuck with a trainer or a barber or a web designer or a sandwich shop owner is going to give you any useful information about their worth?

It doesn't make sense.

Your assessment of what happens to sources is accurate but I don't think it applies here. I think this just comes down to a personal dislike of an individual. I believe those with the grievances even said as much.

Unrelated, but on the subject of underground vendors, I also don't think this approach is effective, at all. This approach was rampant a few years ago compared to now, coincidentally it seemed problem sources and people getting scammed was far more rampant than then it is now.
 
weighted chinup said:
I have a fundamental problem with this approach being applied to things other than black market business dealings. I see as much utility in trying to rattle a coach to assess his worth as trying to rattle any other legitimate service to assess their worth that you would use in day to day life.

Trying to get a black market vendor shook to asses how they handle problems may have some slight value, but would you agree to try to fuck with a trainer or a barber or a web designer or a sandwich shop owner is going to give you any useful information about their worth?

It doesn't make sense.

Your assessment of what happens to sources is accurate but I don't think it applies here. I think this just comes down to a personal dislike of an individual. I believe those with the grievances even said as much.

I also don't think it's effective, at all. This approach was rampant a few years ago compared to now, coincidentally it seemed problem sources and people getting scammed was far more rampant than then it is now.
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I’m not saying it’s right or wrong especially towards a coaching service. But that’s what happens at MESO and old habits are hard to kill. There’s not many other services provided here other than sources so of course guys are gonna be dicks. That’s what we do when we’re loaded up with supra-physiological doses of hormones.

Personally, I think the bully system here is way better than the suckfests that go on in other forums.

I’m just letting Mac know it’s not anything personal. I know from watching the sources get abused, the ones that take it personally are the ones that implode. And your absolutely right, that doesn’t always mean they are good or bad sources.
 
BigBaldBeardGuy said:
I’m just letting Mac know it’s not anything personal. I know from watching the sources get abused, the ones that take it personally are the ones that implode. And your absolutely right, that doesn’t always mean they are good or bad sources
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it was absolutely personal from my view. Show me one real member that verbally assaulted Atlas when they launched, it didn't happen. WP & Mands were met with open arms and they should have been. They have also developed a proven track record of success. Mac should be as well, and we should all hope that he succeeds. If he and Atlas succeed, meso members win.

This isn't sourcing, this is training.
 
Appreciate everyone who had respectful input here. It’s all noted.

Back on topic. Plans are going out already. Guys are preparing today to implement the changes tomorrow. None of this is going to derail me or these guys from meeting goals.

I encourage clients to post concerns or issues here. Posting progress shots or praise is up to them. I want informed decisions on working with me, and if the client/coach relationship isn’t based on a bit of trust then it just isn’t going to work anyways.

If you’re skeptical of my ability based on my presence on Meso so far, the explicit, relevant information to make an informed decision on my SERVICE is coming. If you dislike me personally, I couldn’t give a single fuck; we’ve got no business to be conducted together anyways.
 
A lot of language in the intro is regurgitated from Seth feroce videos...save ur money Seth feroce shows training and diet info for free on his YouTube channel and he's a proffessional...and so do countless other pros for free on youtube...hack city here
 
Anthony Minerva said:
A lot of language in the intro is regurgitated from Seth feroce videos...save ur money Seth feroce shows training and diet info for free on his YouTube channel and he's a proffessional...and so do countless other pros for free on youtube...hack city here
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Seth’s giving out free tailored diet and training plans huh? If so you guys should definitely hop on that.

I find it more likely he’s dropping the same kind of info I have in my log thread (as @ickyrica pointed out) and people are paying him for the same service I’m offering here. And I don’t follow Seth nearly close enough to have regurgitated his information.

But your input is appreciated!
 
Mac11wildcat said:
Seth’s giving out free tailored diet and resining plans huh? If so you guys should definitely hop on that.

I find it more likely he’s dropping the same kind of info I have in my log thread and people are paying him for the same service I’m offering here. And I don’t follow Seth nearly close enough to have regurgitated his information.

But your input is appreciated!
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Damnit! I thought i could break you with that one and get u outta character...hope you do well tho...i honestly have got some solid info reading ur posts...
 
By the way. If anyone is uncomfortable working with me or through MESO just in general, I’d be MORE than happy to recommend some higher profile/social media accessible coaches for whatever your goal is. @Evom1 and a couple other guys will attest to me having a name or two in reserve for when people have asked in the past. I don’t need to load up client volume. I understand apprehension, and there are PLENTY of options for good coaches at reasonae prices.
 
Mac11wildcat said:
By the way. If anyone is uncomfortable working with me or through MESO just in general, I’d be MORE than happy to recommend some higher profile/social media accessible coaches for whatever your goal is. @Evom1 and a couple other guys will attest to me having a name or two in reserve for when people have asked in the past. I don’t need to load up client volume. I understand apprehension, and there are PLENTY of options for good coaches at reasonae prices.
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That s a thoughtful suggestion but those guys are dealing with so many clients and I feel there primary concern is money so may push products even if they are not the best...options are great but the hate in here is still a little off...theres more of a local business feel in here...people are so against supporting people they kno which is baffling...kinda like how rappers are seen as stars in other cities but get killed and robbed in their hometown...people get mad and jealous cause they think they could have just as easily had your knowledge and training experience and offered a service ...but news flash....they don't have it! So they should get the fuck over it and stop hatin
 
Anthony Minerva said:
That s a thoughtful suggestion but those guys are dealing with so many clients and I feel there primary concern is money so may push products even if they are not the best...options are great but the hate in here is still a little off...theres more of a local business feel in here...people are so against supporting people they kno which is baffling...kinda like how rappers are seen as stars in other cities but get killed and robbed in their hometown...people get mad and jealous cause they think they could have just as easily had your knowledge and training experience and offered a service ...but news flash....they don't have it! So they should get the fuck over it and stop hatin
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I tend to avoid recommending the BIG coaches for that reason. It’s a client turnstile. One after the other unless you’re elite potential. I recommend the tier 2 and 3 guys that people may or may not know that I have knowledgeof through their athletes or know personally. I’m not here to say I’m the best coach in the world. And I know not everyone will want to work with me, I won’t want to work with everyone (nor do I have time to) but helping someone avoid wasting time and money by making an educated choice in going elsewhere is something I do have faith in my ability to do
 
MacBuilt said:
No premeditated plan.

I came here for the community and to learn some myself. This was a need I saw. If you’re listening to him you’re doing yourself a disservice.

I answered probably 100 threads about guys not gaining weight WHILE posting my experienced ass gaining 20lbs. I saw the gap and decided to provide an option to fill it.

You can ask @Millard Baker about me inquiring about doing this in the first place.

If you believe me to be moonlighting as a member here to make money after 8 months...I probably wouldn’t spend so much time in threads. I think my history of providing content and information in my time here is beyond reproach.

If you feel otherwise we have no business to entertain together anyways and I appreciate you stopping by.
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I can say @Mac11wildcat has helped me privately with my nutrition about a month ago before this ever came to light. I seriously can’t grasp what all the negative fuss is about.

Edit: free of charge I might add. Several times.
 
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