Mass Spec Thread

[BIGMESC]

I'm in. If I can be of service let me know.

A person standing alone can be attacked and defeated, but two can stand back-to-back and conquer. Three are even better, for a triple-braided cord is not easily broken.

What is it you men want from a GC/MS lab? I read Cloverleaf and Millards posts.. The lab that does my testing doesnt f**ck around. They have libraries with just about every compound you can imagine. I talked to my friend there and he has expressed great interest in doing these tests as long as they all come from ONE clearing-house. I have my own sources and would never steer you fellas wrong...Sooner or later we have to do this as a GROUP!!! Tecumsah said"One twig will break. A bundle WILL NOT"
This would be done under the classification of "Education and Harm Reduction"
Do you men agree we should act as "a bundle" or be twigs and keep getting hosed?
I just wanna know if the right lab did EXACTLY as we want...WHOS IN??!!!

Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

The "ONE clearing-house" is a problem. Is your friend's lab licensed to receive controlled substances. Can they provide public reports on laboratory letterhead?

Yessir that is what I always receive. As long as it is for education and harm reduction.
But is it wise to reveal the company where the UGL's can try to get to them? I dunno the men would have to decide what they want(within reason and see if my lab can comply) they have complied with my requests every time.
The question is does anyone trust anyone?

Goose

 

[Millard]

Yessir that is what I always receive. As long as it is for education and harm reduction.
But is it wise to reveal the company where the UGL's can try to get to them? I dunno the men would have to decide what they want(within reason and see if my lab can comply) they have complied with my requests every time.
The question is does anyone trust anyone?

Sounds good! But what exactly does he mean by ONE clearinghouse? Samples come from one person/organization? Payments come from one person/organization?

No one should trust anyone. That's why the more different people sending in samples, the better. A 1000 average joes sending in one sample each is much better than 5 "pillars of the community" sending in a total of 1000 samples.

 

[Juice n Goose]

I'm in. If I can be of service let me know.

A person standing alone can be attacked and defeated, but two can stand back-to-back and conquer. Three are even better, for a triple-braided cord is not easily broken.

Hey Mesc, a man I trust..if enough people come together we can do this..as in war(usually) the more willing troops one has by his side the better!! Its time to fire our weapons or be over run!!!!

And I'm NOT getting over run ever again!

Goose

 

[whodatnation]

It is a place to start at though and I know that there are quite a few people here are searching for other testing sites. I have personally contacted four and of course no reply but I am trying.

 

[Millard]

But is it wise to reveal the company where the UGL's can try to get to them?

This is the problem. If the lab that performs the testing remains anonymous then the credibility of the tests suffer. The credibility of the lab is crucial.

 

[whodatnation]

I agree with you Millard as anyone who see's or reads the mass spec notes will want to verify the existence of the company doing it. One that can be verified will lend instant credibility to the reports. This is why having more then just one is more attractive. But one is a start and maybe getting the ball rolling is the best way to get doors to start opening.

 

[Millard]

I'm in. If I can be of service let me know.

A person standing alone can be attacked and defeated, but two can stand back-to-back and conquer. Three are even better, for a triple-braided cord is not easily broken.

I really think we need hundreds if not 1000s.

 

[Millard]

I agree with you Millard as anyone who see's or reads the mass spec notes will want to verify the existence of the company doing it. One that can be verified will lend instant credibility to the reports. This is why having more then just one is more attractive. But one is a start and maybe getting the ball rolling is the best way to get doors to start opening.

I'd love to have at least one in US and one in EU to start.

 

[Juice n Goose]

Ahh this may be true but I promise what with the questions asked by the lab and the paperwork, Im hard pressed to think of ANY lab that is willing to go through that.
It comes down to this, In my humble opinion that eventually you gotta trust SOMEONE!
Or why do we even come together as a group of like-minded people?
I have a little different outlook on comraderie than many. As a career retired Marine I know you can trust some people at least!!
Do we strive for comraderie or paranoia?
What say the men of MESO?

GOOSE

 

[Millard]

Ahh this may be true but I promise what with the questions asked by the lab and the paperwork, Im hard pressed to think of ANY lab that is willing to go through that.
It comes down to this, In my humble opinion that eventually you gotta trust SOMEONE!
Or why do we even come together as a group of like-minded people?
I have a little different outlook on comraderie than many. As a career retired Marine I know you can trust some people at least!!
Do we strive for comraderie or paranoia?
What say the men of MESO?

I think it's a false choice. The AAS black market and the source ecosystem pervasive on forums demand paranoia. If the credibility of testing depends on "trust" in a few people, then it is doomed. There must be transparency in the process and it is the process in which our trust should be placed.

 

[Voltrader]

I am in anyway that I can be. I have little knowledge on the scientific side of things here but I would love nothing more than to have somewhere to go get testing done. I agree with JnG we have to trust someone. I can care less about smear campaigns. They already love to smear meso but we are educating, trying to tilt the balance of power in the game. I think most can see through the smear.

 

[Voltrader]

I think it's a false choice. The AAS black market and the source ecosystem pervasive on forums demand paranoia. If the credibility of testing depends on "trust" in a few people, then it is doomed. There must be transparency in the process and it is the process in which our trust should be placed.

Millard if it is trust among numbers and not just a few I think that could cut through the paranoia.

 

[whodatnation]

I agree also. Juice it isn't really about trust in my mind because I am like you in that I do believe in good men who don't go back on their word and can be trusted. In this battlefield we are entering though we will need multiple testers so that we can completely silence all doubters.

Testing done at one place can be scrutinized but when you start adding numbers to that tester and the same results are getting reported the doubters will start losing any voice.

I'd love to have at least one in US and one in EU to start.

 

[Millard]

Millard if it is trust among numbers and not just a few I think that could cut through the paranoia.

Bingo! That's why I think we need 100s if not 1000s of members sending in samples rather than trusting any small number of admins/mods/vets/vips/etc.

A limited number of people only increases the chances of corruption and makes those people extremely vulnerable.

With 100s or 1000s, the likelihood of corruption is significantly reduced. Even if 10% of members sending in samples are corrupt, the greater numbers make it likely that the truth will emerge.

 

[Millard]

Testing done at one place can be scrutinized but when you start adding numbers to that tester and the same results are getting reported the doubters will start losing any voice.

Why wouldn't you trust an independent, DEA-licensed (or country-specific equivalent) laboratory? Have different labs on different continents is a logistics concern more than anything.

 

[Juice n Goose]

I respectfully assert that I will NEVER get into a shooting match with Millard. However even the Wright brothers were ridiculed at first but now we have machines in space that hurtle by at nearly 18,00 miles per hour in a little over a hundred years!
It all begins with trust. Shit we have newbs and others alike pounding millions into bullshite sources pockets....Just think MEN...What if? What if we could do it? Sure there are gonna be broken hearts when the lab calls Bullshite on some but thumbs up on others, thats the way it goes.
Are you men willing to continue to play Russian roulette with your bodies..and bank accounts?

I quit that crap awhile back! Hows about you??!!

Goose

 

[Juice n Goose]

I agree the black market definitely requires a VERY high level of paranoia. Just look at all the member here who have been burned. Myself included. Hence the need for unmitigated,no bullshite science finally entering our lives!! When Doc pulls a blood test do we question which lab says our BUN or ALT is high or low! Its a start and a darn good one I think! It has been working for me for awhile.

 

[Colt44]

I'm willing to contribute in any way I can.

 

[Voltrader]

I get what you are saying Millard. Especially for it to change the game on its head. Now from a personal level I am ok if it starts with me having to send to someone I trust and they forward it. I know it opens up holes as far as the whole community but on a personal level I would trust the results given. With that being said Millard you find us that lab I will send multiple samples. I love to see it. It is a broken system but it all has to start somewhere.