mass specs

[nophat]

The only way to fix this is to send it to mass specs !!
This guessing game on peoples repp is bull shit show me the solid proof.
Thats the only way i will beleive any of this shit going around anybody now one.
This is a guessing game at others expen!
I have heard from so many pass same test no pass week,bunk
SHOW Me INStEAD OF WASTING MONEY ON LAB MAX GET THE SOLID PROOF!!!

 

[Benny]

Any ideas how to go about getting a ms test?

 

[nophat]

Couple guys out their but it's
150$ a pop. Most people wanna put dlsome drops In a besil and be able to tell if it's strong or not

 

[2gunz327]

I go by wat I have had in the past.how the gear makes me feel and bloods. Me personally im not out to get free gear or a whinny ass of course ugl isnt gonna b 100 percent pure I can deal with 80 mayb even 75 if its priced right but when its under 50 thats unreal.

 

[mercury]

listen

all powder coming from China is less than 50% only a few lucky will have the real thing 99% pure. It was tested over and over by many members and it always comes below 50%

you have powder but it is not 99%, it was tested and it was pass but underdosed.

so it is a good gear you just need to inject more.

 

[Benny]

Couple guys out their but it's
150$ a pop. Most people wanna put dlsome drops In a besil and be able to tell if it's strong or not

You have my attention. $150 is worth it from time to time to make sure a supplier is legit, and the doses you inject are right.

 

[nophat]

their is no way its 50%
NO WAY!

 

[weighted chinup]

Expecting end level consumers to not only have access to MS/HPLC testing, but expecting that it is required in order to determine if products are of a decent standard is not reasonable.

None of these big bad internet drug dealers have access to this shit, otherwise everything would be awesome, I don't think its fair to expect customers to perform MS/HPLC on a sources products. I'm just a consumer, not a guy trying to make a living off a black market, how can I possibly have access to MS/HPLC?

If you have evidence that labmax is unreliable please post it. I have personally not seen any examples of something failing labmax but passing HPLC. It is a useful tool when used properly, as a preliminary tool to determine what compound is present.

The burden is on the source to conduct QA with MS/HPLC, not customers. IMO if a customer claims a product is under dosed / bunk using BW or Labmax as evidence, and the source has no MS/HPLC done on that batch ready on hand to prove QA was done, they have no business whatsoever disputing the customers claims.

 

[Moose]

How much is a mass spec device? I've been saving my lunch money for a few years.

 

[curgen]

Roughly $150K new, plus the cost of, you know, a graduate level education

 

[Moose]

Yeah. Ok. I haven't been saving that much lunch money.

 

[nophat]

How does one inquire in a set up
If possible?

 

[mercury]

The burden is on the source to conduct QA with MS/HPLC, not customers.

as a company UGL, or not they should have quality control but you cannot trust source.

I see all the time fake GC or HPLC results, you just need PhotoPhop.

 

[apmakeio]

@mercury: you should prove your claims showing up some faked public GC or HPLC results that peope posted up. I'd like to see some of these.

The average cost for a Mass Spectrometry test is ~75$ or less. In Central EU is around 100 Eur but usually under. The results can be run by yourself through a dozen database libraries. The laboratory will send you the RAW file (.D, .raw, .wiff, depending on the machinery manufacturer).

In most cases, a lab testing facility will not run a check with databases unless you request it so they won't know the structure of the chemical unless you ask them. Which means you can have this test done pretty safely.

 

[apmakeio]

listen

all powder coming from China is less than 50% only a few lucky will have the real thing 99% pure. It was tested over and over by many members and it always comes below 50%

you have powder but it is not 99%, it was tested and it was pass but underdosed.

so it is a good gear you just need to inject more.

Do you have some of this tests of powders coming in 50% or less? I haven't yet to see one. Main problem with chinese powders is not purity but releated impurities, solvents and heavy metals aside from mislabeled products. Purity is easy to get over 90% and there is no purpose of manufacturing raw materials at 50% purity.

 

[hotdog23]

Lol. This shit kills me

Do you have some of this tests of powders coming in 50% or less? I haven't yet to see one. Main problem with chinese powders is not purity but releated impurities, solvents and heavy metals aside from mislabeled products. Purity is easy to get over 90% and there is no purpose of manufacturing raw materials at 50% purity.

Heavy metals? Foreal

 

[apmakeio]

Heavy metal is a very common impurity for chemicals coming out from China. Biggest concern is the water source used which is often heavily contaminated depending on the province they are in (Hubei being the most polluted in this aspect) but also the solvents and intermediate materials (4AD, DHEA, etc) inherited impurities. Cadmium, lead, inorganic arsenic are the most often contaminants.

UPS is moving away from colorimetric heavy metal analysis and using a quantitative method like ICP-MS, for example. Heavy metal contaminations are extremely hard to be detected once in the human body and cause extensive health issues often linked to cancer (liver, kidney).

 

[hotdog23]

Heavy metal is a very common impurity for chemicals coming out from China. Biggest concern is the water source used which is often heavily contaminated depending on the province they are in (Hubei being the most polluted in this aspect) but also the solvents and intermediate materials (4AD, DHEA, etc) inherited impurities. Cadmium, lead, inorganic arsenic are the most often contaminants.

UPS is moving away from colorimetric heavy metal analysis and using a quantitative method like ICP-MS, for example. Heavy metal contaminations are extremely hard to be detected once in the human body and cause extensive health issues often linked to cancer (liver, kidney).

Would any of the filtering in the brewing process remove any amount of heavy metal contaminant? This is freaking me out

 

[apmakeio]

Of course none of the impurities (solvents, chemically related impurities, heavy metals) will not be removed by the filtration process. Heavy metals are much smaller than 0.01um for example.

 

[hotdog23]

Of course none of the impurities (solvents, chemically related impurities, heavy metals) will not be removed by the filtration process. Heavy metals are much smaller than 0.01um for example.

Thx. Looks like I'm sticking to human grade