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[Galileo]

Patrick Arnold comments on the heavy metals problem (or lack of problem)? here:
http://www.prohormoneforum.com/index.php/topic/81953-heavy-metals-in-raw-powders/

 

[apmakeio]

Who is Patrick Arnold? I'd be more focused on previous reports (tests) of heavy metal contamination in steroids way higher than the USP or EP (6 ppm for example). 90% of the steroid raw materials manufactured in China are made in chemical factories and not pharmaceutical factories and 100% of the ones ending on the black market are made in chemical factories that have no pharmaceutical standards in place neither are they interested to have (because they'd need to implement much stricter quality controls, SDFA GMP manufacturing license, validation procedures etc).

Heavy metals are an extremely important quality issue with most Chinese made raw materials mostly because Chinese manufacturers use low quality solvents, reagents and undistilled water. Hubei area is known to have high heavy metal contamination levels in the soil and water and many raw materials are sourced mainly from there.

 

[Galileo]

Patrick Arnold is a very intelligent and knowledgeable chemist who knows his shit when it comes to AAS. I hold him in very high regard.

Btw, I am not saying you are wrong. I do not know about the matter here. You may well be right.

 

[apmakeio]

I don't know who Patrick Arnold is but I do know about the Chinese raw material market quality issues. Heavy metals are a rarely discussed matter and extremely rarely analyzed target but with a serious potential hazard for users health.

 

[Galileo]

Can you supply us with evidence regarding the Chinese raw material suppliers? Right now it's a plausible statement, but without evidence.

Adding to which, how often do we see heavy metal poisoning being an issue in UG-AAS users?

 

[MANWHORE]

I don't know who Patrick Arnold is but I do know about the Chinese raw material market quality issues. Heavy metals are a rarely discussed matter and extremely rarely analyzed target but with a serious potential hazard for users health.

What do the tests show?
What metals and the density of them?

I always wondered about this

 

[MANWHORE]

Can you supply us with evidence regarding the Chinese raw material suppliers? Right now it's a plausible statement, but without evidence.

Adding to which, how often do we see heavy metal poisoning being an issue in UG-AAS users?

I posted before seeing this

I bet it's not any more dangerous than eating too much tuna for too long

 

[apmakeio]

There are more ways to determine heavy metal most recent being ESI-MS. Also there are reference standards. Density is not a concern but rather the amount in ppm. For parenteral drugs the control of heavy metals is stringent. Atomic Absorbtion is another testing way.

Here are two regarding heavy metal pollution in China's waters (check the graphs as well):

www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/6/9/5820/pdf
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11707-012-0309-z

The situation is critical expecially in Hubei and Shangdong from where a large part of the raw materials are coming from.

 

[Galileo]

If you read the Patrick Arnold thread, he asks for evidence again and again.

He is, however, not provided any.

The link (you mention 2, but post 1?) is relevant, but does not constitute direct evidence. One cannot on that basis conclude that raws from China/Hubei are loaded with heavy metals and to an extent that calls for health concerns. I find your explanation very plausible...you may be right. But evidence is needed.

 

[MANWHORE]

I am from New Jersey.
Do you think I really care about heavy metal poisoning?

I don't think I could function without contaminated water in my body.
VOSS is like Kryptonite to me..

When I first moved Upstate NY, I got sick from all the fresh air

 

[Notits]

I am from New Jersey.
Do you think I really care about heavy metal poisoning?

I don't think I could function without contaminated water in my body.
VOSS is like Kryptonite to me..

When I first moved Upstate NY, I got sick from all the fresh air

Upstate makes me sick too.

 

[MANWHORE]

I love the city life

 

[apmakeio]

If you read the Patrick Arnold thread, he asks for evidence again and again.

He is, however, not provided any.

The link (you mention 2, but post 1?) is relevant, but does not constitute direct evidence. One cannot on that basis conclude that raws from China/Hubei are loaded with heavy metals and to an extent that calls for health concerns. I find your explanation very plausible...you may be right. But evidence is needed.

Going Underground?
by William Llewellyn, with Ronny Tober (Sept. 23, 2008)

Test #1: Heavy Metals Contamination

Sample Contamination Result
1. methandrostenolone None Detected (<0.002) PASS
2. testosterone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
3. testosterone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
4. testosterone propionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
5. boldenone undecylenate Metals Found (>0.002) FAIL
6. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
7. boldenone undecylenate Metals Found (<0.002) FAIL
8. trenbolone hexahydro. None Detected (<0.002) PASS
9. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
10. methenolone enanthate Metals Found (>0.002) FAIL
11. testosterone cypionate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
12. nandrolone decanoate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
13. methenolone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS
14. trenbolone enanthate None Detected (<0.002) PASS

Failure Rate: 21%


Test #2: Dosage vs. Label Claim (mg/mL)

Sample Labeled Dose / Actual Dose / Percentage of Claim / Pass Fail Status
1. methandrostenolone 25 mg 115 mg 459% FAIL
2. testosterone enanthate 250 mg 440 mg 176% FAIL
3. testosterone enanthate 250 mg 408 mg 163% FAIL
4. testosterone propionate 75 mg 127 mg 169% FAIL
5. boldenone undecylenate 200 mg 240 mg 120% PASS
6. testosterone cypionate 200 mg 204 mg 102% PASS
7. boldenone undecylenate 200 mg 178 mg 89% PASS
8. trenbolone hexahydro. 76 mg 190 mg 249% FAIL
9. testosterone cypionate 200 mg 177 mg 88% PASS
10. methenolone enanthate 100 mg 54 mg 54% FAIL
11. testosterone cypionate 250 mg 171 mg 69% FAIL
12. nandrolone decanoate 250 mg 228 mg 91% PASS
13. methenolone enanthate 100 mg 78 mg 78% FAIL
14. trenbolone enanthate 100 mg 0 mg 0% FAIL

Failure Rate: 64% (+/- >20% of Label Claim)

 

[mercury]

Do you have some of this tests of powders coming in 50% or less?

just stick around longer, do not jump in the middle of conversation and ask somebody to prove something which was already discussed many times.

 

[apmakeio]

Well I'd like to see some of those tests however and the way it was analyzed. I suppose you realize that there is no way to do a proper quantitative analysis without reference standards and I'm all eyes and ears to find out which RS were used. Anything else is just hype, false claims or misleading information.