Meso Powerlifting Corner

[Perrin Aybara]

So I did DLs today.

Couple things. Tried Sumo for the 1st time. I really liked it. I had to switch to conventional when they weight got up, but im gonna keep using it.

Wore my chucks for the first time. Took em off. Socks is 100Xs more comfortable.

Oh yeah. Set a PR....FINALLY got 400! Felt like I had 5-10 more lbs in me easy, but I like to finish on a high note so I let it be. I really think the shoes (or lack of shoes) have made a HUGE difference.

I really didnt think it was that big a deal, but I implore anyone just getting started or who hasnt made a switch to look at whats on your feet during DLs (and squats).

Congrats on the lift, looking forward to seeing you crack five hundo soon, too.

Also, agree 100% with the shoe thing. If you've been using highly cushioned shoes do yourself a favor and pull them off next time and see the immediate difference.

 

[jaymaximus]

Forgive me if it's already been stated, but the thread got long and my search showed hella posts with the key word "bands"...

Im looking to buy some bands since my gym has none. Any recommendations? Theyre one thing I feel comfortable ordering over the net.

 

[Docd187123]

Rogue or elite

 

[Perrin Aybara]

I've never ordered any, but I think Rogue Fitness, RubberBanditz, EliteFTS or LiftingLarge would be the way to go. Even Amazon or Ebay would carry the same ones.

 

[RodgerThat]

Lifting large or rouge fitness are the best prices for bands on the web I believe. Rouge probably has more selection. Congrats on the lift man that's a solid pull! It's a big deadlift day for me too today so I'll report back later on that.

I agree bare feet is as good as it gets for deadlift but only very few fed will let you be barefoot. You might be a guy who gets good use outa deadlift slippers.

Let us know how you find the chucks for squats I'm sure you'll feel more stable doing squats in them

 

[FeartheBeard]

Congrats on the PR @jaymaximus !!! Now you'll be chasing the next one

 

[jaymaximus]

Congrats on the PR @jaymaximus !!! Now you'll be chasing the next one

Its instantaneous now days. The second I put the bar down on whatever lift I did im thinking to the next time I do that lift and if I can do more. Thats what I love about PLing. Like Doc has told me many times, its all about competing with yourself and beating your old numbers (paraphrasing, im sure he said it smarter).

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Same for me, chasing that next PR constantly.

 

[bhog]

One thing I find fascinating about pling is the strength differences from person to person. The different progression. Weaknesses and strengths etc. I'm still squatting more than I can dl and it drives me nuts.
I just took 4 scoops of bcaa energy and jumped on the treadmill for my first try at fasted cardio.

 

[jaymaximus]

One thing I find fascinating about pling is the strength differences from person to person. The different progression. Weaknesses and strengths etc. I'm still squatting more than I can dl and it drives me nuts.
I just took 4 scoops of bcaa energy and jumped on the treadmill for my first try at fasted cardio.

My DL is close to my worst lift. I started working harder on DL and squats because my bench is almost equal to them. Im proud im inching closer to 400 on the bench, but im jealous of everyone on here with these great DL numbers, or the people doing 10 easy reps with my 1RM on squat. But it does push me...

 

[Docd187123]

One thing I find fascinating about pling is the strength differences from person to person. The different progression. Weaknesses and strengths etc. I'm still squatting more than I can dl and it drives me nuts.
I just took 4 scoops of bcaa energy and jumped on the treadmill for my first try at fasted cardio.

Why does it bother you that your squat is more than your deadlift?

 

[bhog]

Why does it bother you that your squat is more than your deadlift?

It seems backwards to me.

 

[Docd187123]

It seems backwards to me.

A lot of people can pull more than they can squat true but I read an interesting article on how and why this happens. There are several advantages you have in the squat that at the very least theoretically should allow it to be right around your pull or even higher.

 

[RodgerThat]

One thing I find fascinating about pling is the strength differences from person to person. The different progression. Weaknesses and strengths etc. I'm still squatting more than I can dl and it drives me nuts.
I just took 4 scoops of bcaa energy and jumped on the treadmill for my first try at fasted cardio.

It seems backwards to me.

I'd be happy if I could squat what o could deadlift but I know where you are at and you haven't been training DL the same as squats so it's fine that they are close plus a heavy squat works a lot of the same muscles as a deadlift and the heavier you squat the more your deadlift will go up once all the fine details of form have been tweeted out. I can deadlift 100 pounds more then I can squat but I have trained my deadlift for a lot longer then my squat and never taken a break from deadlift where as with the squat if I have any sorta injury I usually can't do it.

You'll get there man with the weights you've been pushing lately!

 

[bhog]

What are some of the advantages?

 

[Docd187123]

The recap of the article I mentioned by Greg Nuckols

1. At first glance, you may assume that squats are inherently harder than deadlifts, because most people tend to deadlift more than they squat, and squats have a longer range of motion than deadlifts do.
2. However, when you actually break down the movements, squats have several distinct mechanical advantages:
   1. The weakest point of the squat occurs when your shoulders are already above their position at the start of the deadlift.
   2. There is increased freedom for forward knee travel in the squat.
   3. You already have momentum built up at the same position where you’d be starting a deadlift from a dead stop.
   4. You’re almost guaranteed to finish a squat once you break through the sticking point, whereas there is still a strong likelihood of missing a heavy deadlift after the sticking point. This would make you assume that the squat was an inherently easier lift.
3. One key reason most people deadlift more than they squat is that the bracing pattern for deadlifts comes more naturally to most people. The bracing pattern for deadlifts is already pretty well ingrained before you even pick up a barbell, whereas you don’t start learning the bracing pattern for squatting heavy loads until you actually start strength training.
4. The other primary factor that allows you to deadlift more than you squat is that the deadlift is more tolerant of thoracic flexion than the squat is.
5. While many beginner or intermediate lifters have a big gap between their squat and deadlift, lifters at the elite level typically only have a ~10% gap across the lighter weight classes, and lifters in the heavier weight classes squat and deadlift about the same amount, on average.
6. Activating your core musculature with planks and side planks before you squat, bracing effectively from head to toe, and doing core training with a high degree of specificity (breathing paused squats are my go-to, but front squats and loaded carries are also great options) for the squat can help you build the torso rigidity necessary for squatting heavy loads, and help you build confidence with the movement pattern.
7. Though your squat will likely never catch up with your deadlift entirely (but it could!), by strengthening your core, working on bracing patterns, and strengthening your thoracic spinal erectors, you can work to close that gap so you can squat and deadlift similar numbers.

 

[bhog]

I'd be happy if I could squat what o could deadlift but I know where you are at and you haven't been training DL the same as squats so it's fine that they are close plus a heavy squat works a lot of the same muscles as a deadlift and the heavier you squat the more your deadlift will go up once all the fine details of form have been tweeted out. I can deadlift 100 pounds more then I can squat but I have trained my deadlift for a lot longer then my squat and never taken a break from deadlift where as with the squat if I have any sorta injury I usually can't do it.

You'll get there man with the weights you've been pushing lately!

Right on Brother. Ya I guess the 5x5 from the past is showing through finally. I gotta get some sleeves cause my knees squeak lol.

 

[insertnamehere]

One thing I find fascinating about pling is the strength differences from person to person. The different progression. Weaknesses and strengths etc. I'm still squatting more than I can dl and it drives me nuts.
I just took 4 scoops of bcaa energy and jumped on the treadmill for my first try at fasted cardio.

I don't know what your goals are but if its strength specific, be careful with the cardio and especially fasted cardio.

 

[RodgerThat]

The recap of the article I mentioned by Greg Nuckols

1. At first glance, you may assume that squats are inherently harder than deadlifts, because most people tend to deadlift more than they squat, and squats have a longer range of motion than deadlifts do.
2. However, when you actually break down the movements, squats have several distinct mechanical advantages:
   1. The weakest point of the squat occurs when your shoulders are already above their position at the start of the deadlift.
   2. There is increased freedom for forward knee travel in the squat.
   3. You already have momentum built up at the same position where you’d be starting a deadlift from a dead stop.
   4. You’re almost guaranteed to finish a squat once you break through the sticking point, whereas there is still a strong likelihood of missing a heavy deadlift after the sticking point. This would make you assume that the squat was an inherently easier lift.
3. One key reason most people deadlift more than they squat is that the bracing pattern for deadlifts comes more naturally to most people. The bracing pattern for deadlifts is already pretty well ingrained before you even pick up a barbell, whereas you don’t start learning the bracing pattern for squatting heavy loads until you actually start strength training.
4. The other primary factor that allows you to deadlift more than you squat is that the deadlift is more tolerant of thoracic flexion than the squat is.
5. While many beginner or intermediate lifters have a big gap between their squat and deadlift, lifters at the elite level typically only have a ~10% gap across the lighter weight classes, and lifters in the heavier weight classes squat and deadlift about the same amount, on average.
6. Activating your core musculature with planks and side planks before you squat, bracing effectively from head to toe, and doing core training with a high degree of specificity (breathing paused squats are my go-to, but front squats and loaded carries are also great options) for the squat can help you build the torso rigidity necessary for squatting heavy loads, and help you build confidence with the movement pattern.
7. Though your squat will likely never catch up with your deadlift entirely (but it could!), by strengthening your core, working on bracing patterns, and strengthening your thoracic spinal erectors, you can work to close that gap so you can squat and deadlift similar numbers.

Glad you clicked post before me as mine would have looked like a chump wrote it compared to that, good post Doc.

 

[RodgerThat]

I don't know what your goals are but if its strength specific, be careful with the cardio and especially fasted cardio.

Fasted cardio on cycle won't hinder anything your not going to become catabolic. I find it helps me have a better day too doing fasted cardio in the morning and my goal is strength and I'm doing alright with it. (By cardio I'm meaning a 3.5mph walk none of that jogging bullshit)