MGF + IGF1? How well does it work?

[Luke391]

I've come across posts of people saying that MGF and IGF1 have a synergistic effect because MGF promotes the proliferation of satellite cells and IGF1 turns those satellite cells into new muscle cells.
So, in practice, how would one go about using these two?
Do they actually provide some decent results or is it just some other little useless peptide?
Is the long actin form preffered (PegMGF, IGF1lr3) or the short acting form (MGF, IGF1Des)?
The MGF and IGF1Des are also locally active from what I understand, so could I use tem to bring up lacking muscle groups or to further grow one muscle specifically?

 

[boiwalker6548]

you will want peg mgf instead of mgf, i am conviced it works really well but you need a ratio of 1igf1=2peg mgf and you need higher dosages, so 1mg igf1 with 2mg peg mgf imo also dont take ed but twice a week you will go hypo so u need a shit ton of carbs and also i think lr3 works also, igf1 des sucks, usually bioidentical igf1 is better than lr3 but if you run this strategy with the peg mgf i think lr3 is better bc they have similar half lifes (igf1lr3 half life 20-30 hours) (peg mgf 48-72 hours)

 

[boiwalker6548]

IGF-1 LR3

Long arginine 3-IGF-1, abbreviated as IGF-1 LR3 or LR3-IGF-1, is a synthetic protein and lengthened analogue of human insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). WHAT IS IGF-1? Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1) is a vital protein that plays an integral role in human growth and devel

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PEG-MGF 2mg

What is PEG-MGF ?PEG-MGF is Pegylated Mechano Growth Factor, long-acting variant of MGF, with significantly extended biological elimination half-life: Main disadvantage of MGF (IGF-1Ec) is an extremely short half-life, calculated in a few minutes only (only 5-7 minutes). Pegylation is the proc

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so you would need two of those per week, you can ofc also go for cheaper sources, i dont really think qsc is much worse

 

[boiwalker6548]

in nature its something like this: you hunt (hgh is made) (mgf is made) you come home and eat (insulin is made) high hgh + high insulin = high igf1) now we have high mgf and high igf1, mgf and igf1 are supposed to work together

 

[Luke391]

you will want peg mgf instead of mgf, i am conviced it works really well but you need a ratio of 1igf1=2peg mgf and you need higher dosages, so 1mg igf1 with 2mg peg mgf imo also dont take ed but twice a week you will go hypo so u need a shit ton of carbs and also i think lr3 works also, igf1 des sucks, usually bioidentical igf1 is better than lr3 but if you run this strategy with the peg mgf i think lr3 is better bc they have similar half lifes (igf1lr3 half life 20-30 hours) (peg mgf 48-72 hours)

thank you for the response.
I have heard people say to not use them at the same time because they cancel each other out (not sure why tho), so one would use mgf of 8-10weeks to get as many satellite cells as possible and the do 4weeks of igf1 to turn those into muscle cells.
the short acting form is definetly worse but wouldn't it also be safer since it wouldn't grow your hearth and organs like the pegMgf and igf1lr3 since it only acts locally because of the short half life?
igf1 is notorius for growing the organs and intestine. IGF1-Des and MGF (not Peg) are obviously much much weaker because they break down so quickli once in the body but with frequen enough injections I think they could be nice to grow a few muscle groups at a time

I really like Driada but for stuff like this I would have went with qsc. maybe worse quality but it's so much cheaper it's worth it

 

[Luke391]

in nature its something like this: you hunt (hgh is made) (mgf is made) you come home and eat (insulin is made) high hgh + high insulin = high igf1) now we have high mgf and high igf1, mgf and igf1 are supposed to work together

I get what you are saying but it's not so simple. Insuline greatly inhibitis HGH production, so naturally it wouldn't really be possible to have high hgh and high insulin at the same time (or it would be possible but only for very short periods of time) and from what I understand you cannot have high amounts of mgf and igf1 at the same time (I do not fully understand the mechanism behind it yet so I might be wrong).
mgf is the result mechanical tension being put on a muscle in the presence of hgh

 

[boiwalker6548]

thank you for the response.
I have heard people say to not use them at the same time because they cancel each other out (not sure why tho), so one would use mgf of 8-10weeks to get as many satellite cells as possible and the do 4weeks of igf1 to turn those into muscle cells.
the short acting form is definetly worse but wouldn't it also be safer since it wouldn't grow your hearth and organs like the pegMgf and igf1lr3 since it only acts locally because of the short half life?
igf1 is notorius for growing the organs and intestine. IGF1-Des and MGF (not Peg) are obviously much much weaker because they break down so quickli once in the body but with frequen enough injections I think they could be nice to grow a few muscle groups at a time

I really like Driada but for stuff like this I would have went with qsc. maybe worse quality but it's so much cheaper it's worth it

well ive heard that mgf enhances igf, when it comes to organ growth i dont think its bad but rather good, i mean for example the liver is made out of liver cells and if the liver grows that means more liver cells, now lets use a little logic here ok? more liver cells = better at what its doing, same for all other organs, nore cells of an organ just means the organ has more power just like more muscles = stronger, i believe that the idea of organ growth being bad comes from lvh and roids generally, lvh is a very spicific type of growth which isnt equal and most roids are simply said very poisonous, igf1 i am sure about doesnt cause lvh but an equal type of growth, i would recommend 500mcg igf1lr3 with 1000mcg pegmgf upon waking up twice a week, so like maybe monday and thursday, if you feel comfy with this dose maybe double it, ofc you will need to eat a fuckshit ton of carbs bc both igf and mgf lower blood sugar

 

[boiwalker6548]

I get what you are saying but it's not so simple. Insuline greatly inhibitis HGH production, so naturally it wouldn't really be possible to have high hgh and high insulin at the same time (or it would be possible but only for very short periods of time) and from what I understand you cannot have high amounts of mgf and igf1 at the same time (I do not fully understand the mechanism behind it yet so I might be wrong).
mgf is the result mechanical tension being put on a muscle in the presence of hgh

yes thats why the only time both are high is during this short window, nowadays ofc this doesnt exist bc ppl eat unnaturtally, you can absolutely have high mgf and igf1, the body actually wants high both at the same time, mgf prepares the cells for igf1