My PCT Journal to kickstart HPTA post HRT

[BigAk]

Guys...

I would like to ask you all NOT to contact me to ask me about what Dr. Crisler is doing for my treatment. I will NOT disclose any information via PM either. So please do not persist with me and put me in an uncomfortable position. I have already recieved varoious PM's from different folks, and I have declined to disclose any details or information.

I appreciate your understanding.

 

[eeso]

Why didn't u just wait a couple more weeks until u finished your Scally-style PCT to see how u went?

Seems like a premature expenditure of time and cash seeing as ur already on a recovery program that might work.

 

[Matt Muscle]

Guys...

I would like to ask you all NOT to contact me to ask me about what Dr. Crisler is doing for my treatment. I will NOT disclose any information via PM either. So please do not persist with me and put me in an uncomfortable position. I have already recieved varoious PM's from different folks, and I have declined to disclose any details or information.

I appreciate your understanding.

I gather Dr Crisler has asked you not to disclose what sort of treatment you are going to have.
Will you be allowed to discuss it once you have finished the treatment down the track?
Many of us here will never be able to visit Dr John as we are in different countries!

 

[BigAk]

Why didn't u just wait a couple more weeks until u finished your Scally-style PCT to see how u went?

Seems like a premature expenditure of time and cash seeing as ur already on a recovery program that might work.

What I was doing before clearly didn't work after a month of trying. Did you seen my last bloodwork results?

 

[coz]

Guys...

I would like to ask you all NOT to contact me to ask me about what Dr. Crisler is doing for my treatment. I will NOT disclose any information via PM either. So please do not persist with me and put me in an uncomfortable position. I have already recieved varoious PM's from different folks, and I have declined to disclose any details or information.

I appreciate your understanding.

It's interesting and disappointing that you relied on everyones help and support throughout this whole Journal, and said what a big help it was for you. Yet now you don't want to help others by sharing information or protocols .......

 

[BigAk]

Interesting that you relied on everyones help and support throughout this whole Journal, and said what a big help it was for you. Yet now you don't want to help others by sharing information or protocols .......

My fear was that I was going to upset you guys.... But, I ask that you take a minute and do some reasoning before jumping on me.

Dr. Crisler is a professional doctor. His treatment is very specific to each individual. He draws his plans according to one's bloodwork results, past history, and many other variables. To design one protocol plan that fit all would not be successful nor realistic. Even if one person succeed, another may fail at the same plan. I would hate for someone else to follow my treatment protocol and end up failing at it.

I will post my results periodically and will still love to have your support and help just like you'd been providing. If I can help you guys in any other respect, I will do my best... as I really still appreciate what you've done for me.

Now.. I also do appreciate what Dr. Crisler is doing for me and I will protect his integrity and profession.

if you guys still having trouble understanding where I'm coming from, just turn the tables around and put yourself in my position.

 

[Andrew Androgen]

You said you had a very thorough examination by Dr Crisler. Are you able to tell us if a testicular examination was part of it?
Thanks.

 

[van-man]

My fear was that I was going to upset you guys.... But, I ask that you take a minute and do some reasoning before jumping on me.

Dr. Crisler is a professional doctor. His treatment is very specific to each individual. He draws his plans according to one's bloodwork results, past history, and many other variables. To design one protocol plan that fit all would not be successful nor realistic. Even if one person succeed, another may fail at the same plan. I would hate for someone else to follow my treatment protocol and end up failing at it.

I will post my results periodically and will still love to have your support and help just like you'd been providing. If I can help you guys in any other respect, I will do my best... as I really still appreciate what you've done for me.

Now.. I also do appreciate what Dr. Crisler is doing for me and I will protect his integrity and profession.

if you guys still having trouble understanding where I'm coming from, just turn the tables around and put yourself in my position.

Thats F-ing bullshit man! Scally is a "Professional Doctor" and his plan was developed after much research. It probably would've worked for you had you not been such an emotional wreck. You didn't follow the protocol, and didn't see it through. You changed your dosages day by day depending on your mood. Maybe you should've done some reasoning yourself and realize that your emotions aren't worth shit if there's no consistency to them!

"Now.. I also do appreciate what Dr. Crisler is doing for me and I will protect his integrity and profession."

The big difference between Scally and Crisler is that Scally wanted to help as many people as he could; whereas, Crisler wants only to help A-holes like you who are willing to fork over the money and agree not to let anyone in on his seceret recipes. You're a wimp! that's why you didn't make the last protocol properly, and that's why your flaking out on all of the people here who've been following and encouraging you.

"if you guys still having trouble understanding where I'm coming from, just turn the tables around and put yourself in my position"

I turned the tables as soon as I read your post, and this is what I think about your position.

I'm out! Crislers is a greedy asshole and you're his little bitch!

 

[The_Skeptic]

To design one protocol plan that fit all would not be successful nor realistic. Even if one person succeed, another may fail at the same plan. I would hate for someone else to follow my treatment protocol and end up failing at it..

If you were so worried about any of us failing from your protocol, why the hell did you even start this journal in the first place?

 

[pmgamer18]

Thats F-ing bullshit man! Scally is a "Professional Doctor" and his plan was developed after much research. It probably would've worked for you had you not been such an emotional wreck. You didn't follow the protocol, and didn't see it through. You changed your dosages day by day depending on your mood. Maybe you should've done some reasoning yourself and realize that your emotions aren't worth shit if there's no consistency to them!

"Now.. I also do appreciate what Dr. Crisler is doing for me and I will protect his integrity and profession."

The big difference between Scally and Crisler is that Scally wanted to help as many people as he could; whereas, Crisler wants only to help A-holes like you who are willing to fork over the money and agree not to let anyone in on his seceret recipes. You're a wimp! that's why you didn't make the last protocol properly, and that's why your flaking out on all of the people here who've been following and encouraging you.

"if you guys still having trouble understanding where I'm coming from, just turn the tables around and put yourself in my position"

I turned the tables as soon as I read your post, and this is what I think about your position.

I'm out! Crislers is a greedy asshole and you're his little bitch!

So tell me what is your point doing a post like this I feel this should be pulled from the forum your Flaming BigAK and What do you know about Dr. John that you feel the neeed to Flame him.

You feel better now sitting there at home saying shit you would not dare say to there FACE.

If you can't say anything good about or to someone keep your mouth shut. So what is it that makes you mad you can't afford to fly out to see Dr. John. BigAK did not get any help from Scally he is not here. I feel you guys are being a bit hard on BigAK what he was trying he felt was not working Scally was not here to guide him with his problems. It is not easy to feel like he did and go to work everyday. His family comes first and the way he was feeling he was going down hill.

To post crap like this to me does not take much of a man.

 

[BigAk]

Phil ... Thank you for standing up for me brother... I knew you would chime in.... You've said the truth.... I would have liked to see van-man say what he wrote to my face.... LOL.. no big issue... If I can fly to Michigan, I can fly anywhere.. nuf said...

It's just so amazing to me how some of you guys have a hard time using logic. What wrong have I committed by keeping my promise? None!! And because of that van-man's post didnt' phase me one bit. It's easy for me to see and respect Dr. John's point of view. The man didn't spend years in med school so he can run a non-profitable organization afterwards. We all got bills to pay. It's a very funny contrast that some individuals are ready to drop close to a grand on a steroid cycle, but when it comes to recovering and feeling healthy again, they're broke all of the sudden!!

Actually Dr. John has helped an individual on this same board for free; and what did he get in return??.. absolute disappointment from that person and regret. Point is; no one wants to take the shaft. Besides, one of the main reasons for not disclosing any info is because we are all different and one protocol may work for one but mess another up. How would that impact the reputation of the doctor?

Why the above is so hard to understand for some folks is beyond me. I am not going to insult you van-man like you've done me; as I have much class.

 

[hackskii]

I understand bro.

I know you were going through hell and just want to be better.
Seeing the doc was your first step into recovery.
I have respect for you man and hope your recovery is successful.

Sorry BigAk if you felt I was pressuring you.

 

[bigcat10]

Here is what matters: Those who are capable of restarting their HPTA should see the doctor who is most fit to undertake that job.

Dr. Scally's protocol may have worked for BigAk if he completed the protocol. I have read of people restarting their HPTA from his protocol. In my opinion, Dr. Scally's protocol should not be disregarded.

BigAk is entitled to conduct himself as he pleases. There is only one objective that BigAk needs to achieve: He should heal his body, post the blood test(s), and tell us, graciously, the name of the good doctor who healed him.

 

[BigAk]

I understand bro.

I know you were going through hell and just want to be better.
Seeing the doc was your first step into recovery.
I have respect for you man and hope your recovery is successful.

Sorry BigAk if you felt I was pressuring you.

Don't sweat it hackskii.... You didn't pressure me at all.. All you've ever provided is help and support in times when I needed it most. Therefore, I'm thankful to you. I wish others could be mature enough about this like you.

 

[BigAk]

Dr. Scally's protocol may have worked for BigAk if he completed the protocol. I have read of people restarting their HPTA from his protocol. In my opinion, Dr. Scally's protocol should not be disregarded.

BigAk is entitled to conduct himself as he pleases. There is only one objective that BigAk needs to achieve: He should heal his body, post the blood test(s), and tell us, graciously, the name of the good doctor who healed him.

You're right.... I have never dismissed the protocol I was following. I just simply thought my liquid serms were fake.. That's all.

I'm praying that I'm on my way to recovery soon. I will share with you how I'm doing and my results. Thank you for understanding.

 

[The_Skeptic]

I have just gotten this from another board. Someone has posted it for me. I found it very interesting. What do you guys think??


Leydig cell desensitization from HCG has been shown to be blocked/minimized by Nolvadex. This occurs by supressing HCG's ability to inhibit the conversion of 17 alpha hydroxyprogesterone to testosterone.

Modulation of Leydig Cell Androgen Biosynthesis and Cytochrome P-450 Levels during Estrogen Treatment and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin induced Desensitization

The similarity of estrogen dependent lesions to those produced by hCG treatment further indicates the involvement of endogenous estrogen in the development of the microsomal enzymatic lesions in gonadotropin-induced desensitization of testicular androgen production.

Tamoxifen suppresses gonadotropin-induced 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone accumulation in normal men.

Simultaneous administration of hCG and the estrogen antagonist tamoxifen (20 mg twice daily) almost completely abolished the hCG-induced steroidogenic block localized between 17 OHP and T (17 OHP to T ratio at 24 h, 1.1 +/- 0.1 times baseline; P < 0.01 vs. hCG alone). These data indirectly suggest that, in man, the hCG-induced steroidogenic lesion might be mediated through its estrogen-stimulating effect.

Effect of an antiestrogen on the testicular response to acute and chronic administration of hCG in normal and hypogonadotropic hypogonadic men: tamoxifen and testicular response to hCG.

17OHP rose with hCG alone, but not with hCG + Tx in both groups. E, SHBG and 17OHP/T ratio did not change after treatments. hCG tests: E increased 24 h following hCG administration in every test. The ratio 17OHP/T rose at 24 h in the first and second test but in the third test it did not change. These results support the role of E in the acute hCG-induced Leydig cell desensitization.

I think Swale suggested around two years ago that estrogen was the driver in leydig cell desentization, this is one reason he suggests smaller doses and an AI with any steroid stack (gear user).

So in this case, wouldn't Arimidex work just as good as Nolvadex to prevent leydig cell desentization or is there something unique about Nolvadex?

 

[Vforcer2]

Congrats BigAk, I hope you continue to see improvement. Update us now and again to let us know how you are feeling. I would especially be interested to know how you are feeling in a month or so with no additional pharmaceutical intervention.

 

[scrh1]

Hey BigAk...glad to see that you are doing better and I 100% respoect your position on Dr C's treatment and the confidentiality he expected from you in return. We've been on the various boards too long to get agitated over anyones comments, and you handled it as such. Saying it on the internet is very different that to one's face. You looked great when I saw you and your overall mood was back to your old self ! Keep it up ! -scrh1

 

[wildfox]

BigAK: any update?

 

[BigAk]

Hey Guys... Last time I posted was in August. Alot happened since then, but I'll summarize.

Since my last PCT, I drew blood exactly three weeks after my last intake of Nolvadex. The results were very encouraging. It was apparent that I was on my way to full recovery. The following bloodwork was done on Oct 6.

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Oct 6 (Three weeks after last intake of Nolvadex exactly)

LH ---> 4.8 --- (1.5 - 9.3)
FSH ---> 1.5 --- (1.4 - 18.1)
Testosterone serum ---> 300 --- (241 - 827) -- Major improvement from 68 pre PCT...
Testosterone free ---> 4.60 --- (8.7 - 25.1) -- Still below range
Testosterone bioavailable ---> 110 --(unknown range as I figured it with a calculator on the web)
DHEA ----> 97 --- (120 - 520)
E2 ----> 7 --- (3 - 70)

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7.5 weeks from the previous bloodwork, I got another blood panel done and got puzzled by the results. Basically, my total T levels have not gone up any. But, on the other hand my Free T has gone up along with my Bioavailable T also gone up. I'm puzzled. I was hoping that my Total T would be on the rise since 8 weeks ago...

Here is the second lab results:

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Nov 29 (7.5 weeks after since Oct 6)

LH ---> 4.1 --- (1.5 - 9.3)
FSH ---> 2.0 --- (1.4 - 18.1)
Testosterone serum ---> 286 --- (241 - 827)
Testosterone free ---> 6.32 --- (8.7 - 25.1) -- Climbing up but still below range
Testosterone bioavailable ---> 142 --(unknown range as I figured it with a calculator on the web)
DHEA ----> 111 --- (120 - 520)
E2 ----> 7 --- (3 - 70)

ALT ---> 66 --- (0 - 55) -- (I've had a bad back injury that's been lingering for weeks)

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Notice that my bioavailable test has gone up from 110 to 142 although my total T has virtually kept the same.

I don't know what to conclude... I'm thinking about doing another round of Clomid and Nolvadex.. Or shall I just wait a few more months and see what happens?? I have not lost hope, and I'm not going to jump into TRT. I've read about guys who took a good year or more to recover fully. I've been off HRT for merely 5 months now. I'm not even suffering any bad symptoms.

My clinical response: I'm feeling pretty good. I have no depression nor anxiety. Although my libido is not nagging, I have no issue getting turned on. My erection quality is excellent too. Morning wood is about 5-6 out of 7. My energy and strength in the gym are pretty good.

What do you guys suggest at this point??