New MESO-Rx member ranking system

[MindlessWork]

I thought about it

I know I'm not in this category, but just throwing an idea

Maybe one "for sale post" every 2 months with max of up to 10 different items (20 items in total) would be a good rule?

Obviously like if you had a box of 100 Viagra then it counts as one

Okay hit up Millard and see if he will correct it for you.

 

[Millard]

I thought about it

I know I'm not in this category, but just throwing an idea

Maybe one "for sale post" every 2 months with max of up to 10 different items (20 items in total) would be a good rule?

Obviously like if you had a box of 100 Viagra then it counts as one

I don't like anything that blurs the distinction between member and source.

Either you are a member or a source. No slippery slopes.

There shouldn't be any gray zone in between where some members can operate with special privileges. The same scrutiny and accountability should apply to everyone involved in distribution.

It doesn't matter if its a part-time source or a full-time source; a low-volume source or a high-volume source; a short-term source or a long-term source, etc.

And as far as the MESO ranking system is concerned, NO ONE should be able to use their status to convey legitimacy when it comes to sales. The member ranking system was never intended for this purpose.

So, EVERYONE who participates in distribution at any level will be excluded from the ranking system.

 

[Rido]

I don't like anything that blurs the distinction between member and source.

Either you are a member or a source. No slippery slopes.

There shouldn't be any gray zone in between where some members can operate with special privileges. The same scrutiny and accountability should apply to everyone involved in distribution.

It doesn't matter if its a part-time source or a full-time source; a low-volume source or a high-volume source; a short-term source or a long-term source, etc.

And as far as the MESO ranking system is concerned, NO ONE should be able to use their status to convey legitimacy when it comes to sales. The member ranking system was never intended for this purpose.

So, EVERYONE who participates in distribution at any level will be excluded from the ranking system.

Makes sense. responding, cause I can't hit like lol

 

[MindlessWork]

I don't like anything that blurs the distinction between member and source.

Either you are a member or a source. No slippery slopes.

There shouldn't be any gray zone in between where some members can operate with special privileges. The same scrutiny and accountability should apply to everyone involved in distribution.

It doesn't matter if its a part-time source or a full-time source; a low-volume source or a high-volume source; a short-term source or a long-term source, etc.

And as far as the MESO ranking system is concerned, NO ONE should be able to use their status to convey legitimacy when it comes to sales. The member ranking system was never intended for this purpose.

So, EVERYONE who participates in distribution at any level will be excluded from the ranking system.

Makes sense, but what about those who only are selling from their personal stash like in occasional sales to other members, like if I for example want to get rid of some gear I don't need?

 

[Jin23]

I don't like anything that blurs the distinction between member and source.

Either you are a member or a source. No slippery slopes.

There shouldn't be any gray zone in between where some members can operate with special privileges. The same scrutiny and accountability should apply to everyone involved in distribution.

It doesn't matter if its a part-time source or a full-time source; a low-volume source or a high-volume source; a short-term source or a long-term source, etc.

And as far as the MESO ranking system is concerned, NO ONE should be able to use their status to convey legitimacy when it comes to sales. The member ranking system was never intended for this purpose.

So, EVERYONE who participates in distribution at any level will be excluded from the ranking system.

I just had a look at @Cridi887 's sales thread. It's obvious he is just a user selling off his personal stash that he doesn't need any more. He is not a source and has no aspiration to be one (right?). So from my point of view, marking him as a source, dislodging him from the ranking system after he's been helpful to many users, is doing him a disservice, somewhat confusing other users when they'll be viewing his posts and also making his further forum participation kinda ubiquitous as he'll be viewed as a source while he actually isn't.

I understand and welcome what you're trying to do, but he is not source.

It would make sense to create a "flee market" subforum for users just selling of their unused items.

 

[Millard]

I’ve had a number of customers contact me over the past few days wanting to post blood results/blind lab tests.

Coincidently they are all new members of the forum and cannot post in the underground, however they are not keen on making the effort to meet the minimum requirement to be able to post in the underground.

What does everyone think it means when NEW MEMBERS are contacting SOURCES (instead of MESO) asking how to obtain MESO forum privileges that will allow them to post in the SOURCE'S THREAD?

Another source complained to me that his email account was being overwhelmed by customers who signed up as NEW MEMBERS and are unable to post in the SOURCE'S THREAD. He speculated that other source email accounts were similarly overwhelmed.

(BTW, relatively few NEW MEMBERS are contacting MESO about this issue even though though they could easily ask by replying to the registration emails they receive from MESO or... they could follow the hyperlink at the bottom of every single page on the MESO website to contact us.)

I have nothing against @Titan Labs or the other source who shared this information with me.

As I pointed out to Titan, NEW MEMBERS have the choice to post lab test results in the STEROID LAB TESTING subforum but they instead want to post in the SOURCE'S THREAD for whatever reason.

Why are NEW MEMBERS contacting sources instead of MESO with questions about how the MESO Forum operates?

Do you think this explains why so many new members have previously signed up and immediately camped out in source threads to praise, promote, defend, and deflect criticism?

 

[Millard]

I just had a look at @Cridi887 's sales thread. It's obvious he is just a user selling off his personal stash that he doesn't need any more. He is not a source and has no aspiration to be one (right?). So from my point of view, marking him as a source, dislodging him from the ranking system after he's been helpful to many users, is doing him a disservice, somewhat confusing other users when they'll be viewing his posts and also making his further forum participation kinda ubiquitous as he'll be viewed as a source while he actually isn't.

I understand and welcome what you're trying to do, but he is not source.

It would make sense to create a "flee market" subforum for users just selling of their unused items.

By definition, he is a "source" for people seeking to buy drugs. Not sure what the debate is. He should be held accountable just like anyone else.

 

[Rido]

I just had a look at @Cridi887 's sales thread. It's obvious he is just a user selling off his personal stash that he doesn't need any more. He is not a source and has no aspiration to be one (right?). So from my point of view, marking him as a source, dislodging him from the ranking system after he's been helpful to many users, is doing him a disservice, somewhat confusing other users when they'll be viewing his posts and also making his further forum participation kinda ubiquitous as he'll be viewed as a source while he actually isn't.

I understand and welcome what you're trying to do, but he is not source.

It would make sense to create a "flee market" subforum for users just selling of their unused items.

I am purchasing more peptides to resell and may continue small sales for extra cash. It's no longer just extra stuff I have.

It's weird there is no consistent domestic peptide source here. Might be opportunity for someone to open a market


For example. I recently had access to BAC water which is unique.

Me and Millard has a conversation in the background.

I can be reverted back to my previous info after I decide when to stop selling. It's not gonna be forever. But it's to protect members from being scammed

(Watch this 2 months turn into a year lol)



I appreciate the compliment btw. I know we don't always see eye to eye on everything

 

[MindlessWork]

I just had a look at @Cridi887 's sales thread. It's obvious he is just a user selling off his personal stash that he doesn't need any more. He is not a source and has no aspiration to be one (right?). So from my point of view, marking him as a source, dislodging him from the ranking system after he's been helpful to many users, is doing him a disservice, somewhat confusing other users when they'll be viewing his posts and also making his further forum participation kinda ubiquitous as he'll be viewed as a source while he actually isn't.

I understand and welcome what you're trying to do, but he is not source.

It would make sense to create a "flee market" subforum for users just selling of their unused items.

I second that and a lot of other forums have such sections where members can list ads for selling off any unwanted/unused items. Many have restrictions on quantity and frequency of listings to prevent anyone from sourcing via such one-off classified ads.

Perhaps one should be set up here and maybe with some rules to avoid abuse. Another idea would be to request approval from Millard to post ads for selling off personal stashes.

 

[Millard]

(Watch this 2 months turn into a year lol)

Slippery slope. Low barriers to entry. Easy temptation.

I don't like it when valued contributing members slip over to distribution. I'd much rather you stay a non-conflicted member

 

[Millard]

Perhaps one should be set up here and maybe with some rules to avoid abuse. Another idea would be to request approval from Millard to post ads for selling off personal stashes.

Perhaps I should give special privileges and exemptions to the members I like the best? I could allow them to source just a little bit, maybe enough to sell off their extras, or pay for their cycle, and for certain people they could make enough to pay their car payment and mortgage? But ABSOLUTELY nothing more or they will have to face the same scrutiny, accountability, and demand for lab testing as every other source?

Perhaps not.

 

[MindlessWork]

Perhaps I should give special privileges and exemptions to the members I like the best? I could allow them to source just a little bit, maybe enough to sell off their extras, or pay for their cycle, and for certain people they could make enough to pay their car payment and mortgage? But ABSOLUTELY nothing more or they will have to face the same scrutiny, accountability, and demand for lab testing as every other source?

Perhaps not.

No not at all and that's not what I am asking. If a member in good standing wanted to sell items with small quantities that they don't want or need and are not doing it on a regular basis, could they ask you for approval to list those items and perhaps put some sort of disclaimer the products are being sold as is. Not asking you to create special exemptions for anyone.

 

[Millard]

No not at all and that's not what I am asking. If a member in good standing wanted to sell items with small quantities that they don't want or need and are not doing it on a regular basis, could they ask you for approval to list those items and perhaps put some sort of disclaimer the products are being sold as is. Not asking you to create special exemptions for anyone.

To be clear, the only thing MESO is doing is excluding those who sell PEDs from the MESO member ranking system.

If you don't sell, you can participate.

If you do sell, you can't participate.

There is no ambiguity as far as MESO is concerned.

MESO will always encourage members to hold ALL sources for PEDs accountable, no exceptions.

It is up to members to make their own personal determination of the risk of harm in dealing with any source for PEDs.

 

[MindlessWork]

To be clear, the only thing MESO is doing is excluding those who sell PEDs from the MESO member ranking system.

If you don't sell, you can participate.

If you do sell, you can't participate.

There is no ambiguity as far as MESO is concerned.

MESO will always encourage members to hold ALL sources for PEDs accountable, no exceptions.

It is up to members to make their own personal determination of the risk of harm in dealing with any source for PEDs.

Okay fair enough and point taken.

 

[Jin23]

Why are NEW MEMBERS contacting sources instead of MESO with questions about how the MESO Forum operates?

I'm guessing it's because contacting "management" doesn't even cross their mind's in the first place. I presume that for a new member, Meso doesn't seem like a fairly moderated forum, it's management is rather occluded. It's not like you're waving your flag, saying "contact me with your questions!" ... This thread being more of an exception not rule. Although lately you've been more active, or is it just me noticing? Either way, this threads and posts get lost in the sea of other threads, posts, subforums ...

 

[Jin23]

By definition, he is a "source" for people seeking to buy drugs. Not sure what the debate is. He should be held accountable just like anyone else.

The debate stems from the dichotomy in our definitions of a "source". I don't consider private personal sales as a "source".

Now, that being said, I do see one problem, and here I agree with your logic; even a small personal sales will gather private info from other users, which is "dangerous" and thus extra precaution should be made.

But either way, it's better to be safe then sorry, so I'm not going to argue this point any further. Maybe just make a distinction between a "full on source" and somebody who's done small personal sales ... Idk, just thinking out loud here ...

... And the fact that @Cridi887 can't like my brilliant posts anymore is saddening.

 

[Millard]

I'm guessing it's because contacting "management" doesn't even cross their mind's in the first place. I presume that for a new member, Meso doesn't seem like a fairly moderated forum, it's management is rather occluded. It's not like you're waving your flag, saying "contact me with your questions!" ... This thread being more of an exception not rule. Although lately you've been more active, or is it just me noticing? Either way, this threads and posts get lost in the sea of other threads, posts, subforums ...

That doesn't seem like a very logical reaction.

User registers at MESO website.

MESO sends them an email requiring interaction to approve their forum registration.

User responds to the instructions in the email.

MESO confirms their forum registration.

User has question about the MESO forum.

(User ignores the emails sent by MESO. User ignores contact link on every page. User does not post question on the forum.)

Instead, user seeks out a specific source to email and ask question about how the MESO forum.

Does that make sense?

Furthermore, user wants to post a (positive) review or lab test results specificially in that source's thread.

It's not like the user is looking for a way to contact the source - the user is already in communication with the source and could ask them any question by email if that was the point.

What's the real motivation?

Occam's razor?

 

[lukiss96]

That doesn't seem like a very logical reaction.

User registers at MESO website.

MESO sends them an email requiring interaction to approve their forum registration.

User responds to the instructions in the email.

MESO confirms their forum registration.

User has question about the MESO forum.

(User ignores the emails sent by MESO. User ignores contact link on every page. User does not post question on the forum.)

Instead, user seeks out a specific source to email and ask question about how the MESO forum.

Does that make sense?

Furthermore, user wants to post a (positive) review or lab test results specificially in that source's thread.

It's not like the user is looking for a way to contact the source - the user is already in communication with the source and could ask them any question by email if that was the point.

What's the real motivation?

Occam's razor?

Let's be honest 90% if not more users join this forum to find sources and that's all they care. Part of that percentage are alt accounts or shills like we call them.

I know I joined because I had problem with source, so I wanted to fight in their thread. What made me stay however, is when I saw this forum more than a shelter centre for sources.

So I initially was in that 90% group looking for a new reliable EU source and wanted to fight my ex one, but I moved on to that 10% who participate in various discussions when it comes to health, diet, training, steroids, drugs and anything else that goes in to our enhanced lifestyle.

So this is my little story, I believe I'm not the only one who came for source, but eventually became a full time member.

 

[ハカク]

The most troubling aspect of this is how frequently the community rewarded and cheered the racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and otherwise hateful content with dozens of like. The behavior was incentivized.

not really, if i had to compare that behavior to anything, i’d say, from my experience, it would be the exact same thing as people being in a original call of duty modern warfare 2 (2009 release date) lobby where ppl trash talked each other on a completely different level to what online multiplayer is like now.

like it is what it is, either roll with it and talk smack back, mute your mic or leave the lobby, idk.

unchecked behavior

back into 2015.

in terms of things you could say, there really was unchecked behavior back in 2015 and i actually have proof of some foul things that you were able to get away with saying on my old account on here. (requested removal of old account for security reason, it’s anonymous now)

Let's be honest 90% if not more users join this forum to find sources and that's all they care.

ngl, that’s mainly what i’m going to be doing now cuz the forum is not as fun and engaging (with all the karen like rules and sensitive ppl who get offended over absolutely everything) as it used to be, like i actually enjoyed being on here more than actual social media back in the day.

and doing research (or using the search function on here) on anything aas related is not that hard.

I joined because I had problem with source

i feel it, i joined because i was looking for a source lol, but i ended up actually liking this forum (my first an only one) since they didn’t censor anything, especially from vendors.

and the freedom of speech (things you could say) was a lot more laid back and things said when talking trash definitely went unchecked but that was something that actually made this place fun in a way.

i guess for me, it was kinda like another cod mw2 lobby but there were actually people here who would still give you advice and help you out with whatever regardless of the trash talk.

but yea, meso 2015 > meso 2023 in terms of trash talking and being able to say whatever you wanted.

and other than that, the new gui updates to the site are dope. gg.

 

[urfallen1]

You're right, of course. No algorithmic ranking system is going to be perfect. It's only a question of how far away from perfect. I'm not going to claim it is anywhere near to perfect. I will only say it is much closer than any other forum ranking system I've seen.

I may have overstated with the following -- "trolls and others who have little to contribute will never leave newbie status" -- at this given point in time. But it is true going forward.

Let me explain. Since the algorithm is a new feature that was applied retroactively, it's calculation were based solely on past forum features/functionality/restrictions/etc. I've recognized some of the past shortcomings. Consequently, modifications have been made to counter these. So, going forward I hope the statement "trolls and others who have little to contribute will never leave newbie status" rings true.

It is incorrect about the role of join date. This is extremely trivial. Of course, it comes into play indirectly - you have to spend some time on the forum to make significant contributions. And all things being equal, those who have been here longer will have made more contributions.

I know what you're saying about the many members with truly valuable contributions who are in still in "rookie" status. They deserve to be recognized, right? I agree. I assure you it is inevitable if they continue on the path.

I think it's best not to "tweak" the criteria to make it easier for them to gain "veteran" status. Especially when you consider your criticism that many "veterans" don't deserve that status. So I need to make the criteria more difficult for them? I can't do both.

This doesn't mean it can't be improved.

Something to keep in mind is that Veteran status is very exclusive with only about 5% of active members. Anything above and beyond that is rare.

79.4% Newbie
15.2% Rookie
5% Veteran
0.36% Elite
0.13% Pro
0.07% Master
0.01% Legendary

Maybe the ratios can be tweaked, I don't know.

I don't necessarily disagree. But then it becomes a political system. And political systems just breed nepotism. I don't want to incentivize ass-kissing.

Why would I delete your comment? It's honest feedback. Constructive criticism is always needed. Going back to my previous point, I'd rather people tell me what they really think than tell me what they think I want to hear because they are afraid of missing out on a ranking award.

Thanks!

That is a very thoughtful response! As a newbie, I'm trying to figure out how this site works and how I can take advantage of this wonderful resource. I admire your effort to keep constructive comments visible and continuously improve the site. I also appreciate the transparency. Thanks!