Normal for DNP to cause face bloat?

[Exister0]

Hey I’ve heard stories of guys gaining significant water retention from dnp. Does this mean one’s face will be a lot puffier than normal during their dnp run? Is it dose dependent?

 

[Exister0]

I plan on using 3-350mg Pw of Tren Ace along with 1-150mg of test e.

The reason for the small doses is mainly because I don’t want to bloat from test as I’m prone to aromatization and to keep from turning into American Psycho from tren. I’d say given how strong tren is this should be enough to put on 5lbs of muscle.

 

[Exister0]

Depends on what AAS you're running... I would say in general it's ideal to overlap the start/end of the AAS/DNP by one week.

About 3-5 days post DNP is when you'll want to heavily increase carb intake. Don't overshoot caloric need but really hit the carbs hard, lots of electrolytes and lean protein.

Just curious, if someone were to accidentally take 200mg of dnp during a bulk. Would that single dosage screw up their progress in terms of muscle and strength gains?

 

[Exister0]

Oddly enough, I experienced the most drop in weight when consuming carbs, not abstaining from them. It added to the discomfort since it caused me to heat up, but low carb on DNP didn’t help me at all in the fat burn.

Depends on what AAS you're running... I would say in general it's ideal to overlap the start/end of the AAS/DNP by one week.

About 3-5 days post DNP is when you'll want to heavily increase carb intake. Don't overshoot caloric need but really hit the carbs hard, lots of electrolytes and lean protein.

Also, do you think lower doses of dnp can prevent the super flat look that people often report? Is it possible to gain strength in the gym on a low enough dose?

 

[Eman]

Just curious, if someone were to accidentally take 200mg of dnp during a bulk. Would that single dosage screw up their progress in terms of muscle and strength gains?

Accidentally?

No, it wouldn't really screw anything up... One pill isn't enough to cause any positive or negative effects.

Also, do you think lower doses of dnp can prevent the super flat look that people often report?

Yes... But we're talking about the difference between flat and super flat. If there isn't a lot of muscle mass and definition to begin with then there isn't much difference between the two. In contrast, if you're starting out with a lot of muscle mass and good definition then the flat look won't be quite as extreme. But, that's not going to apply to many people. I don't think anyone is going to be thrilled with how they look on it as far as muscle definition.

Is it possible to gain strength in the gym on a low enough dose?

Not really. I've had excellent lifts while taking it... Always on the first lift of a session. But the mechanism of action of DNP works against just about every mechanism of action required to build strength. If you are peaked in a strength training block, you can still make a few PR's but it wouldn't be sustainable for long... It would be like trying to build muscle while taking a some sort of pill that reduces protein synthesis greatly.

 

[Exister0]

Accidentally?

No, it wouldn't really screw anything up... One pill isn't enough to cause any positive or negative effects.




Yes... But we're talking about the difference between flat and super flat. If there isn't a lot of muscle mass and definition to begin with then there isn't much difference between the two. In contrast, if you're starting out with a lot of muscle mass and good definition then the flat look won't be quite as extreme. But, that's not going to apply to many people. I don't think anyone is going to be thrilled with how they look on it as far as muscle definition.




Not really. I've had excellent lifts while taking it... Always on the first lift of a session. But the mechanism of action of DNP works against just about every mechanism of action required to build strength. If you are peaked in a strength training block, you can still make a few PR's but it wouldn't be sustainable for long... It would be like trying to build muscle while taking a some sort of pill that reduces protein synthesis greatly.

Is your cardio affected at low doses?

How long are your cycles based on the dose you use?

What and how much aas do you recommend to keep maximum muscle during a run?

In regards to lifting, how do your workouts change during a run? Do you focus on fewer exercises with less volume?

What is your diet like on a run in terms of calories and macros? Would a psmf diet work well if one has the right amount of willpower?

Are you able to see daily progress in the mirror despite weight discrepancies?

 

[Eman]

Is your cardio affected at low doses?

User and dose specific. Cardio isn't specifically affected but lethargy = impact to cardio at times. Low or moderate intensity cardio is easier than lifting typically.

How long are your cycles based on the dose you use?

You can run it as long as you can tolerate it until you reach your goals as long as you don't have dangerous side effects. Lower dose just makes it easier to run longer.

What and how much aas do you recommend to keep maximum muscle during a run?

A TRT dose of testosterone is sufficient.

In regards to lifting, how do your workouts change during a run? Do you focus on fewer exercises with less volume?

Less intensity, equal or lower volume as normal based on how sustainable you feel you're going to be. If lower volume is needed, supplement with more cardio since it's typically more tolerable.

What is your diet like on a run in terms of calories and macros? Would a psmf diet work well if one has the right amount of willpower?

Isocaloric, mild deficit. I do not recommend PSMF.

Are you able to see daily progress in the mirror despite weight discrepancies?

Typically yes, sometimes no. Once you reach a baseline I usually see daily drops in weight but it is never the same cycle to cycle. Biggest progress indicator to me is waist measurement dropping but sometimes everything just drops all at once post cycle.

 

[Exister0]

User and dose specific. Cardio isn't specifically affected but lethargy = impact to cardio at times. Low or moderate intensity cardio is easier than lifting typically.




You can run it as long as you can tolerate it until you reach your goals as long as you don't have dangerous side effects. Lower dose just makes it easier to run longer.




A TRT dose of testosterone is sufficient.




Less intensity, equal or lower volume as normal based on how sustainable you feel you're going to be. If lower volume is needed, supplement with more cardio since it's typically more tolerable.




Isocaloric, mild deficit. I do not recommend PSMF.




Typically yes, sometimes no. Once you reach a baseline I usually see daily drops in weight but it is never the same cycle to cycle. Biggest progress indicator to me is waist measurement dropping but sometimes everything just drops all at once post cycle.

Some guys say they don’t even bother lifting during a dnp run. Do you think skipping out on lifting will increase the chances of muscle loss during dnp runs?

 

[Exister0]

User and dose specific. Cardio isn't specifically affected but lethargy = impact to cardio at times. Low or moderate intensity cardio is easier than lifting typically.




You can run it as long as you can tolerate it until you reach your goals as long as you don't have dangerous side effects. Lower dose just makes it easier to run longer.




A TRT dose of testosterone is sufficient.




Less intensity, equal or lower volume as normal based on how sustainable you feel you're going to be. If lower volume is needed, supplement with more cardio since it's typically more tolerable.




Isocaloric, mild deficit. I do not recommend PSMF.




Typically yes, sometimes no. Once you reach a baseline I usually see daily drops in weight but it is never the same cycle to cycle. Biggest progress indicator to me is waist measurement dropping but sometimes everything just drops all at once post cycle.

Also would there be any advantages to running low dose tren during DNP run? Would it benefit a user cosmetically?

 

[Lightfoot]

Was it very noticeable for you? What areas did you retain water?

After using DNP my hands got a lot of water but my face is not that much

 

[Lightfoot]

Once it happened I dont think I use it again

 

[Eman]

Some guys say they don’t even bother lifting during a dnp run. Do you think skipping out on lifting will increase the chances of muscle loss during dnp runs?

No. Kind of a fuckhead move though.

Also would there be any advantages to running low dose tren during DNP run? Would it benefit a user cosmetically?

Perhaps... Capped shoulders, sweat dripping and a dangerous look in your eye.

It sounds like you're hung up on looking good during a DNP run? Suck it up, you won't. It's a means to an end, you're not even going to look that great during a hard cut when you're flattening out. Temporary look so you can fill back out and look good.

 

[Exister0]

No. Kind of a fuckhead move though.



Perhaps... Capped shoulders, sweat dripping and a dangerous look in your eye.

It sounds like you're hung up on looking good during a DNP run? Suck it up, you won't. It's a means to an end, you're not even going to look that great during a hard cut when you're flattening out. Temporary look so you can fill back out and look good.

Fuckhead move? What do you mean?

Well say if I were to run a large deficit, do you think a dose of 100mg test e per week would be sufficient given I’m getting enough protein and working out? Or is there a point where adding a powerful anti catabolic compound like tren would allow one to get away with steeper deficits?

 

[Eman]

Fuckhead move? What do you mean?

Well say if I were to run a large deficit, do you think a dose of 100mg test e per week would be sufficient given I’m getting enough protein and working out? Or is there a point where adding a powerful anti catabolic compound like tren would allow one to get away with steeper deficits?

I mean if someone is going to just take a powerful fat burner and then laze around on their couch, they're a fuckhead. Same goes for someone running a cycle and lazing on the couch waiting for the muscle to grow...

DNP is protein sparing as it is... You really don't need to take a powerful anti catabolic drug to preserve muscle tissue unless you are already utilizing androgens to maintain muscle beyond your genetic limit... Even a TRT dose of test is more than you probably need. You do not need tren to stave off muscle loss with DNP... It'll just make the cycle more miserable to be honest, I've been there done that.

 

[Exister0]

I mean if someone is going to just take a powerful fat burner and then laze around on their couch, they're a fuckhead. Same goes for someone running a cycle and lazing on the couch waiting for the muscle to grow...

DNP is protein sparing as it is... You really don't need to take a powerful anti catabolic drug to preserve muscle tissue unless you are already utilizing androgens to maintain muscle beyond your genetic limit... Even a TRT dose of test is more than you probably need. You do not need tren to stave off muscle loss with DNP... It'll just make the cycle more miserable to be honest, I've been there done that.

Thanks. That’s good to hear as I’d rather not go through the mental side effects of it along with the sides that come with dnp. My head feels clearer off tren.

 

[Hank81]

Also would there be any advantages to running low dose tren during DNP run? Would it benefit a user cosmetically?

Tren would be great to preserve muscle mass, the problem is that your would be taking 2 drugs that hit hard thyroid (specially Tren) thus slowing down metabolism. In that case you should add between T3 30-50 mcg a day. Cosmetically? I don't think so.

 

[Exister0]

Tren would be great to preserve muscle mass, the problem is that your would be taking 2 drugs that hit hard thyroid (specially Tren) thus slowing down metabolism. In that case you should add between T3 30-50 mcg a day. Cosmetically? I don't think so.

Makes sense. Hypothyroidism can be a bitch from what I’ve heard

 

[Eman]

Tren would be great to preserve muscle mass, the problem is that your would be taking 2 drugs that hit hard thyroid (specially Tren) thus slowing down metabolism. In that case you should add between T3 30-50 mcg a day. Cosmetically? I don't think so.

It does not shutdown thyroid, that is a myth... A common one.

DNP indirectly affects thyroid in a similar way to AAS. DNP occupies thyroid binding proteins and AAS lower the concentration of thyroid binding globulin = less protein to bind to thyroid. It may skew thyroid markers at first but they'll quickly stabilize. There is no need or logical reason to use T3 with DNP.

 

[Exister0]

It does not shutdown thyroid, that is a myth... A common one.

DNP indirectly affects thyroid in a similar way to AAS. DNP occupies thyroid binding proteins and AAS lower the concentration of thyroid binding globulin = less protein to bind to thyroid. It may skew thyroid markers at first but they'll quickly stabilize. There is no need or logical reason to use T3 with DNP.

What’s your preferred dosage of DNP in terms of balance between sides and rate of fat loss?

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

DNP dries the fuck out of me.
Never experienced any bloating while on

 

[Exister0]

What’s your preferred dose? Do you see daily changes on that dose?

DNP dries the fuck out of me.
Never experienced any bloating while on