Normal for DNP to cause face bloat?

[Exister0]

Hey I’ve heard stories of guys gaining significant water retention from dnp. Does this mean one’s face will be a lot puffier than normal during their dnp run? Is it dose dependent?

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

Man that's a tough question.
Let me start by telling you that what I had was either not pure dnp or I have a very bad reaction to it. The shit that I had..actually had dnp inside for sure but most likely,something else too..be it sibutramine or clen or God knows what. It was giving my wife acne and making both of us nervous/restless.Also it was giving me anxiety. What the fuck. I am prone to anxiety though.
Oh..and 0 cravings at 200mg/unlike 400.
Did not bloat me for a single minute,neither me nor my wife.

I have tried 200mg for 7 days,14 days,21 days,34 days.
In the 14 day run I bumped it up to 400 for like 5 days and it was miserable.
All the runs were on trt test.<140mg per week.
I maintained a ridiculously low calorie,suicide cut diet with a fuckload of cardio and damn it was effective as fuck. I could lift weights but all my lifts went down as well as the number of reps.
Yes,I could see changes by the day.
Do I suggest it? No.
Good results can be achievable with diet and cardio alone.
Shit needs a tough mindset to make it worthwhile.

If you are going to use this as a crutch,you are fucked. You will rebound.

If I were to do it again,200mg ed from a different source. 21 day tops.

The source was housto275 from DN and the price i got my shit for was so low,that I am wondering why the fuck I bought it. It was suspicious. Yet I still bought it. Threw the remaining 50 in the toilet.

 

[Eman]

What’s your preferred dosage of DNP in terms of balance between sides and rate of fat loss?

200-400mg but that's not helpful for you at all... You may only be able to tolerate 100mg, maybe you can tolerate 1 gram.. who knows. You need to figure out your own dose and weigh increases to that dose objectively... Not based on others preference or the scale.

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

200-400mg but that's not helpful for you at all... You may only be able to tolerate 100mg, maybe you can tolerate 1 gram.. who knows. You need to figure out your own dose and weigh increases to that dose objectively... Not based on others preference or the scale.

Solid answer.
One more important thing is ..if you start,start low and increase the dosage after say 1 week. Dnp is cumulative.
You may not feel any serious sides at 100mg and decide to up it to 200 after two days. Nope.
Give it some time and then decide if you want to go higher. This one is very important.

 

[Exister0]

User and dose specific. Cardio isn't specifically affected but lethargy = impact to cardio at times. Low or moderate intensity cardio is easier than lifting typically.




You can run it as long as you can tolerate it until you reach your goals as long as you don't have dangerous side effects. Lower dose just makes it easier to run longer.




A TRT dose of testosterone is sufficient.




Less intensity, equal or lower volume as normal based on how sustainable you feel you're going to be. If lower volume is needed, supplement with more cardio since it's typically more tolerable.




Isocaloric, mild deficit. I do not recommend PSMF.




Typically yes, sometimes no. Once you reach a baseline I usually see daily drops in weight but it is never the same cycle to cycle. Biggest progress indicator to me is waist measurement dropping but sometimes everything just drops all at once post cycle.

Sorry for returning back to the topic but just out of curiosity, do you the flatness from dnp is noticeable enough to other people who have seen what you look like “fuller”? Or is it so subtle that it’s only you that can tell?

 

[Eman]

Sorry for returning back to the topic but just out of curiosity, do you the flatness from dnp is noticeable enough to other people who have seen what you look like “fuller”? Or is it so subtle that it’s only you that can tell?

Personally, I think the flatness is pretty noticeable... But I'm not able to see myself through other people's eyes, so I can't really answer that. The more noticeable part is the sweating. I work up a pretty hefty sweat normally in the gym but DNP = drenched, soaked, dripping for me.

With that said, my first or second DNP cycle had several people I've never even talked to in the gym walk up and ask me straight up, "wtf are you on?" So, there's that... Sometimes you look bigger getting smaller to others. Mid way through a cut I often get the most compliments, regardless of DNP, that I look huge... Which is a nice ego boost because that's the opposite of how I'm usually feeling. For context, I was on primo and GH when I was asked what I was on.

 

[Exister0]

Personally, I think the flatness is pretty noticeable... But I'm not able to see myself through other people's eyes, so I can't really answer that. The more noticeable part is the sweating. I work up a pretty hefty sweat normally in the gym but DNP = drenched, soaked, dripping for me.

With that said, my first or second DNP cycle had several people I've never even talked to in the gym walk up and ask me straight up, "wtf are you on?" So, there's that... Sometimes you look bigger getting smaller to others. Mid way through a cut I often get the most compliments, regardless of DNP, that I look huge... Which is a nice ego boost because that's the opposite of how I'm usually feeling. For context, I was on primo and GH when I was asked what I was on.

Wait you were once on primo, GH and DNP?

 

[Eman]

Wait you were once on primo, GH and DNP?

Correct

 

[Exister0]

Correct

Perhaps it was the AAS that prevented you from looking completely flat? Do you think using AAS with DNP vs no AAS makes a difference in the results?

 

[Logan44551]

Correct

You should start an AMA thread on Dnp @Eman. Since you're already getting badgered, I sent you a PM. I'm wondering how long would you wait to let DNP clear before donating blood. I've been on 440mg per day

 

[Eman]

Perhaps it was the AAS that prevented you from looking completely flat? Do you think using AAS with DNP vs no AAS makes a difference in the results?

Personally, no... not really. I think it just looked impressive to a few guys because it brought out cuts quickly. I've taken every pump enhancer in the book and it doesn't do very much on DNP.

You should start an AMA thread on Dnp @Eman. Since you're already getting badgered, I sent you a PM. I'm wondering how long would you wait to let DNP clear before donating blood. I've been on 440mg per day

I saw... Wanted to ask you about the rest of your message.. I read another PM after yours and then went down a rabbit hole.

You could wait two or so weeks if it makes you feel better, but there's really no reason you can't donate after. There's only a few indications on rejecting blood... I wouldn't go in and give it until you're feeling back to normal though.

 

[Exister0]

Personally, no... not really. I think it just looked impressive to a few guys because it brought out cuts quickly. I've taken every pump enhancer in the book and it doesn't do very much on DNP.



I saw... Wanted to ask you about the rest of your message.. I read another PM after yours and then went down a rabbit hole.

You could wait two or so weeks if it makes you feel better, but there's really no reason you can't donate after. There's only a few indications on rejecting blood... I wouldn't go in and give it until you're feeling back to normal though.

And back to the progress made during DNP. Is it normal for one to not notice any differences in measurements and appearance some days? Does that mean no progress or fat loss is happening? Or perhaps it’s masked by water retention?
Is there a significant difference in daily fat loss on 200mg vs 400mg given all other factors remain the same for an individual?

 

[Logan44551]

Personally, no... not really. I think it just looked impressive to a few guys because it brought out cuts quickly. I've taken every pump enhancer in the book and it doesn't do very much on DNP.



I saw... Wanted to ask you about the rest of your message.. I read another PM after yours and then went down a rabbit hole.

You could wait two or so weeks if it makes you feel better, but there's really no reason you can't donate after. There's only a few indications on rejecting blood... I wouldn't go in and give it until you're feeling back to normal though.

Cool thanks eman. Fire back a pm and I'll answer your questions on the other thing.

 

[BalrogRebel]

Would going on DNP, on a reasonable dose, raise the body temperature to the point where a thermometer would detect it? I'm kinda picturing someone going on DNP and then getting stopped at the gym's reception when they make the temperature check for coronavirus screening, and end up getting quarantined for two weeks because of DNP. So I'm curious if that's somethinig that might actually happen.

 

[Eman]

Would going on DNP, on a reasonable dose, raise the body temperature to the point where a thermometer would detect it? I'm kinda picturing someone going on DNP and then getting stopped at the gym's reception when they make the temperature check for coronavirus screening, and end up getting quarantined for two weeks because of DNP. So I'm curious if that's somethinig that might actually happen.

It is possible. If your temp is over 100 degrees due to DNP, you have a lot more to worry about than a coronavirus screening though.

Anything higher than 99.3 signifies impending toxicity. It can happen with a "reasonable" dose... It might not happen at all with a very unreasonable dose... It's user specific.

 

[Villain]

Damn @Eman, you are truly a fount of wisdom on DNP. This info you’ve given is pure gold man.

 

[Exister0]

It is possible. If your temp is over 100 degrees due to DNP, you have a lot more to worry about than a coronavirus screening though.

Anything higher than 99.3 signifies impending toxicity. It can happen with a "reasonable" dose... It might not happen at all with a very unreasonable dose... It's user specific.

Did you find a significant difference in fat loss at 200mg vs 400mg?

 

[Eman]

Did you find a significant difference in fat loss at 200mg vs 400mg?

Yes, I would say so. 200mg (of powder DNP) will produce an average metabolic increase of 30%. 400mg produces an average increase of 60%. That's a significant difference.

However, you don't plan dosages around what gives the most significant results... You plan around what dosages you tolerate easily.

 

[Logan44551]

Yes, I would say so. 200mg (of powder DNP) will produce an average metabolic increase of 30%. 400mg produces an average increase of 60%. That's a significant difference.

However, you don't plan dosages around what gives the most significant results... You plan around what dosages you tolerate easily.

What's your average length of a cycle, assuming there isn't any bad reactions? Also what is the difference between crystal and powder? Is one more potent than the other? You really are a fountain of knowledge. I feel like this should get merged with the DNP sticky.

 

[Eman]

What's your average length of a cycle, assuming there isn't any bad reactions?

My most typical cycle is 200 for a week, 400mg for a week and the third week I might go up to 600mg or just do a third week at 400mg... Then I'll break for two weeks and determine if I want to go again. Sometimes I do but not usually.

Also what is the difference between crystal and powder?

Powder DNP is pure dinitrophenol powder. Crystal DNP is dinitrophenol with a sodium molecule attached.

Is one more potent than the other?

Technically, powder DNP is more "potent" but they're generally the same thing. You're just taking less actual DNP with crystal because of the sodium portion. The difference is around 10%. So if you took 200mg of powder and 220mg of crystal, there's no difference.

 

[Exister0]

My most typical cycle is 200 for a week, 400mg for a week and the third week I might go up to 600mg or just do a third week at 400mg... Then I'll break for two weeks and determine if I want to go again. Sometimes I do but not usually.



Powder DNP is pure dinitrophenol powder. Crystal DNP is dinitrophenol with a sodium molecule attached.



Technically, powder DNP is more "potent" but they're generally the same thing. You're just taking less actual DNP with crystal because of the sodium portion. The difference is around 10%. So if you took 200mg of powder and 220mg of crystal, there's no difference.

How much water retention do you typically lose once your cycle is over?

Is it true that the best results from DNP are typically seen 7-10 days after last dose? Did you personally experience that?

How long does it take for you to regain muscle fullness post cycle? Do re feeds speed up that process?