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Normal for DNP to cause face bloat?
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Eman
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I don't really know, I would estimate about 10lbs but the scale is being offset by glycogen. I've never personally lost a bunch of weight suddenly at the end, I steadily lose every day during the cycle.
Yes and yes. It can be as few as 4 days and as long as 14 days to see the results.
About 7 days.
I keep carbs lower for the first 5 days post cycle, protein high and fat moderate.
On day 5 I start upping the carbs, by a lot. Pop tarts, cereal, pancakes, etc... Surgery stuff, not too high in fat. I keep protein on the moderate side and supplement with lots of EAAs. I transition away from the sugary stuff back to rice and more fibrous carb sources over a few day period. Then, back to normal diet at my new maintenance.
You want to think of this time period as almost like an insulin cycle without the insulin. DNP highly increases insulin sensitivity when you complete the cycle and most of the filling out is the extreme insulin sensitivity.
In regards to water retention, do you find the loss/gain of it varies on an individual basis when it comes to DNP cycles? Some claim to lose the majority of their weight after the cycle while others are more like you where they lose during cycle.
And also, what do most mean when they say “best results”? Is that mainly water retention leaving? Are more cuts and vascularity revealed? Do find it to be a significant change in appearance compared to how you look during cycle?
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Eman
Master
Yes, but I wouldn't limit that to water retention or even DNP cycles at all... Everyone tolerates and reacts to drugs a little differently.
All of the above.
@Eman In your experience, is it possible to lose 10-12 kg (22-26 lb) of fat in 4 weeks without losing muscle in dnp? How much weight would you lose at most each week before upping calories? On the theory it is impossible to lose muscle mass but in reality it can be something very different. I am going to do 250mg for 4 weeks. maybe go up to 300-320 mg a day at most although I highly doubt it
Eman
Master
Yes, I would say that's a feasible goal... Maybe a little lofty, I really can't answer a lot of these very specific questions because DNP is too user specific to do so. But, an educated guess is that you could finish your cycle and be close to that goal if you do well with the drug and diet/train hard.
I wouldn't personally increase calories unless I need more energy, there's no number on the scale that would lead me to be concerned with how much I've lost in weight.
It is not impossible to lose muscle tissue with DNP. It's less likely but you'll always lose some while dieting.
From your experience did you feel massive hunger and cravings that many report to have on cycle? If so, how fast did your appetite normalize after your cycle?
Eman
Master
I've never experienced bad cravings... Nothing beyond a normal diet. I do sometimes crave sugar more than I normally would. I usually keep pineapple and watermelon on hand. Not only does it satisfy cravings, it'll make you feel better in general because of the fructose.
Did your biceps shrink at all by the end of your cycles? Mine have gone down half an inch.
Eman
Master
Yes, but they came back after I was finished... My biceps and shoulders are the leanest areas of my body though, if you carry more fat around there then the size won't really come back if you're losing fat tissue.
How much did yours shrink?
Also I am officially done with my last week of DNP. However for the first 2 weeks my strength remained the same, no issues. The 3rd week I chose to skip lifting altogether and focus on cardio. Now today after my last dose I feel significantly weaker. Should I be worried about muscle loss? The third week was where I also lost the most weight, felt completely depleted and burnt out. Is strength loss normal towards the end?
The results of the final week have been the most dramatic, I can easily tell there has been significant loss in fat as I reached my lowest weight of 180lbs from 205 pre cycle. I’m just stressed out that I pushed myself a little too hard especially with the cardio.
What would you do if you were me? Continue lifting while the DNP clears or take it easy and wait until later this week after carbing up?
Keep in mind I rode my stationary bike for 4 hours last night and didn’t sleep between then and my first workout of this morning, so maybe that’s a factor.
Eman
Master
I don't know, I rarely measure and I lost my notes on some of the stats I did track. I have dexa data of LBM readings somewhere though.
What difference would worrying make? Unless you have a time machine, this may just turn into a learning experience for another time.
Strength loss can't really be avoided either. Unless you have a really short cycle, it will happen.
I would continue lifting... But 4hrs of cardio is a bit extreme. No sleep in been workouts... Uh yeah, I'd say that's a factor. Think sustainable.
Logan44551
Elite
Do you see the pounds dropping daily? Last run, it seemed like the scale stayed the same towards the end, but I could see a significant difference in my look in the mirror.
Eman
Master
Yes. But it slowly comes back. Creatine helps... The mechanism of action that makes creatine effective for building strength is the same MOA that DNP inhibits. Some other factors at play but that's a big one.
I've had it happen both ways... Obviously, I like seeing the daily drops and those cycles seem to usually be the most dramatic ones. But I've also had only a few lbs of weight drop off, but still a major difference in the mirror. Starting point seems to be the difference... If you're starting out leaner, I think you'll be more prone to seeing less scale weight drop and more mirror diff. DNP can act very strange.
If you recall, how much did each of your main lifts go down compared to pre cycle? When did it all come back for you?
Would starting an AAS cycle directly afterward speed up the process?
Eman
Master
I don't recall... The only one I'd guess at is bench going down about 30ish lbs. But, I was doing powerlifting training blocks and doing singles in the 430's so that would have been kind of tough to maintain even on a regular diet. I was still able to put up 4 plates after everything stabilized... Bench tends to take the biggest hit with weight loss. Deadlift and squat aren't affected as much by weight.
Using AAS after a cycle will definitely aid strength.
Damn 30lbs is quite the toll. When you say stabilized, you’re referring to the DNP being out of your system and normal glycogen levels?
Btw, I followed your advice and continued my workout, despite being weaker and cutting the volume in half I actually got a half decent pump especially in my arms. Perhaps this is a sign of fast recovery? I did take my first shot of tren ace yesterday so idk if that’s playing a role.
Funny you say bench goes down the most as that is exactly what I felt today. It felt like my explosiveness completely left me and I just recovered from the flu.
I’m still shocked that I made it to 180lbs after being stuck around 200lbs through multiple failed DNP cycles. My face has gotten so much leaner and defined I couldn’t even recognize myself in the mirror lol. With this one I really zoned in on the mental and behavioral aspect. I indulged a few times but only this time I knew when to put the fork down and simply rely on hunger signals rather than cravings. For the most part diet soda and Greek yogurt were the best replacements to the crap I’d usually eat.
So is the flatness from DNP the same as the flatness one might experience cutting on keto for a long time?
So DNP end results pretty much showed me my true muscularity without the illusion of water/fat?
