Pct help

[Erin]

Even to find b complex I need time so maybe I can just use one of the boxes of hcg for 2 weeks with the sodium chloride, I will still have 10,000 iu what is more than enough for ten weeks

If you do, you'll need an empty vial. Re-sterilize the empty vial in a pressure cooker for 2 hours.
Pre-chill all 3 included amps of saline, sanitize the environment, and mix all 3 1mL amps of saline with 1 amp of HCG in the empty vial, and immediately refrigerate in a cold, dark drawer. Always sanitize the environment and stopper before aspirating.
This will give you 1667IU/mL, or 15 1/5mL (0.2mL) injections of 333IU. Inject EOD to maintain basal IT-T. You'll have a month to get proper bac saline.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

Also u need a liver protection while on orals ....U can protect your liver with Tudca , NAC , Liv 52 or Milk thistle .

All you need is H2O! Everything's just voodoo garbage!

 

[Erin]

I said you start PCT 2 weeks after last shot.

And i said it should be more like 3 or 4 weeks after last shot my bad for not clarifying

It's 2 weeks after the last injection of testP. 2 weeks after the last injection of testE, exogenous testosterone will still be supra-physiological. Wait 26 days for testE.

 

[Big Boss]

Even to find b complex I need time so maybe I can just use one of the boxes of hcg for 2 weeks with the sodium chloride, I will still have 10,000 iu what is more than enough for ten weeks

yeah bro u can use your hcg mixed with sterile water up to 2 weeks

 

[Big Boss]

All you need is H2O! Everything's just voodoo garbage!

Disagree ....so much helpful ....u should take them not only during your cycle but before and after your cycle too ... addressing the liver is only a small fraction of the concern you have with methylated oral steroid use... you have big concerns with blood pressure, lipids, cholesterol etc.

 

[sade]

Unless your balls are the size of grapes!! You don't need hcg or high doses of nolva and clomid.

Clomid 50mg week 1-2
Clomid 25mg week 3-4
Clomid 12.5mg week 5-6

Nolva 40mg week 1-2
Nolva 20mg week 3-6
Nolva 10mg week 7-8

Aromasin 12.5 eod

 

[Big Boss]

It's 2 weeks after the last injection of testP. 2 weeks after the last injection of testE, exogenous testosterone will still be supra-physiological. Wait 26 days for testE.

The halflife of Test E is 5-7 days, so your values are way off.

I recommend two weeks after last injection to start pct after Enanthate ester. There will still be some test in your system but you can start recovering, and you certainly don't want to wait until your levels are at zero before starting ........
A simle blood test (which I have done) will show you how right these half live are. If you check your levels 6-7 days post injection of test E, your blood serum levels will have dropped dramatically

 

[Big Boss]

Unless your balls are the size of grapes!! You don't need hcg or high doses of nolva and clomid.

Clomid 50mg week 1-2
Clomid 25mg week 3-4
Clomid 12.5mg week 5-6

Nolva 40mg week 1-2
Nolva 20mg week 3-6
Nolva 10mg week 7-8

Aromasin 12.5 eod

We must not let this happen bro.....This has been a never ending battle on every forum on the internet. I'd like to explain a few things about its benefits on cycle vs the other Hopefully this will help you make a more informed decision on how and when to administer hCG . So let's get started...

When does suppression occur? Does it happen on cycle, or post cycle? As little as 10 minutes of research will tell you that suppression occurs ON CYCLE, not post cycle. You don't get shut down after your cycle is over. So wouldn't it make more sense to do something about while it's happening, rather than attempting to fix a problem that's been broken for 12 or so weeks? Of course it does!!!

You're in much better hands if you run hCG on cycle so that you can prevent testicular atrophy, mimic your suppressed luteinizing hormone and keep that natural testosterone factory in business. All these things add up to a faster, more efficient recovery. hCG is your seatbelt. Does it make sense to wear your seatbelt after you get in a wreck? Of course not! So wear your seatbelt for the ride
also is not necessary to do pct for 6 weeks unless you ran a suppressive compound like Tren or Deca

 

[SuperMaroid]

And i said it should be more like 3 or 4 weeks after last shot my bad for not clarifying

And whys that?

Unless your balls are the size of grapes!! You don't need hcg or high doses of nolva and clomid.

Clomid 50mg week 1-2
Clomid 25mg week 3-4
Clomid 12.5mg week 5-6

Nolva 40mg week 1-2
Nolva 20mg week 3-6
Nolva 10mg week 7-8

Aromasin 12.5 eod

Ball size is not a good indicator of what drugs you should take.

And I wouldnt recommend someone taking aromasin if it isnt needed.

 

[w1ck3d]

Enanthate has a half life of 5 days +/- 2.5 days (I will use a 7 day calculation to air on the side of caution)

A 12wk cycle of test e at 500mg per week will put ex Test at around 1000mg
(500mg+250+125+62.5+31.25 etc = 1000mg)

This means it will take 5 half lives to reach ex test at or below 50mg therefore time between last injection and start of PCT is 35 days

 

[SuperMaroid]

Enanthate has a half life of 5 days +/- 2.5 days (I will use a 7 day calculation to air on the side of caution)

A 12wk cycle of test e at 500mg per week will put ex Test at around 1000mg
(500mg+250+125+62.5+31.25 etc = 1000mg)

This means it will take 5 half lives to reach ex test at or below 50mg therefore time between last injection and start of PCT is 35 days

It makes sense what your saying but do you really want to wait until your test levels are that low?

I've never heard of waiting more than 2-3 weeks for pct.

 

[w1ck3d]

It makes sense what your saying but do you really want to wait until your test levels are that low?

I've never heard of waiting more than 2-3 weeks for pct.[/

I would wait 3 minimum because 2 is just too early.. Everything ive read here pretty much is that 2 weeks is just bro science... Dr scally brings up some good points if you search around

 

[Ben87]

My gf is sorting me out some bac water today she asked if it's nacl 0.9% I honestly have no idea if that's the correct one or what. She said it will last 30 days once mixed with the hcg

 

[Big Boss]

My gf is sorting me out some bac water today she asked if it's nacl 0.9% I honestly have no idea if that's the correct one or what. She said it will last 30 days once mixed with the hcg

yeah bro it's ok ...you are ready to go

 

[Big Boss]

Enanthate has a half life of 5 days +/- 2.5 days (I will use a 7 day calculation to air on the side of caution)

A 12wk cycle of test e at 500mg per week will put ex Test at around 1000mg
(500mg+250+125+62.5+31.25 etc = 1000mg)

This means it will take 5 half lives to reach ex test at or below 50mg therefore time between last injection and start of PCT is 35 days

U don't want to reach that too low ....u personally had any experience or just u read something somewhere .... me personally with my experience on this can tell u that 2 weeks is way too much and should enough to start pct

 

[Erin]

U don't want to reach that too low ....u personally had any experience or just u read something somewhere .... me personally with my experience on this can tell u that 2 weeks is way too much and should enough to start pct

Then post your blood test results indicating this is in any way advisable.

I've personally tested it. 2512ng/dL falling to 608ng/dL 26 days later.
This has been covered ad nauseam. If you're going to try to cut your washout shorter than planned, you need to take blood tests to monitor testosterone. Don't start PCT before exogenous testosterone has fallen to mid-physiological, or you'll be attempting HPG restart with continued suppression, resulting in a failed PCT.

 

[Big Boss]

Then post your blood test results indicating this is in any way advisable.

I've personally tested it. 2512ng/dL falling to 608ng/dL 26 days later.
This has been covered ad nauseam. If you're going to try to cut your washout shorter than planned, you need to take blood tests to monitor testosterone. Don't start PCT before exogenous testosterone has fallen to mid-physiological, or you'll be attempting HPG restart with continued suppression, resulting in a failed PCT.

with what ? did u tested it with http://steroidcalc.com/ (SteroidGraph - Graph your cycle) ? lol .....
No way ....I do not want to prove anything to you.... every time i did a cycle with test c or e i was only waited 14 days and started my pct and recovered well ....again There will still be some test in your system but you can start recovering, and you certainly don't want to wait until your levels are at zero before starting ....There are a couple things you aren't considering, for example the halflife of clomid. It takes some time for it to saturate while your androgen levels continue to drop......im getting exhausted with always trying to validate information that we already validated and if u know better go for it. I guess i cant save the world lol.

 

[Erin]

with what ? did u tested it with http://steroidcalc.com/ (SteroidGraph - Graph your cycle) ? lol .....
No way ....I do not want to prove anything to you.... every time i did a cycle with test c or e i was only waited 14 days and started my pct and recovered well ....again There will still be some test in your system but you can start recovering, and you certainly don't want to wait until your levels are at zero before starting ....There are a couple things you aren't considering, for example the halflife of clomid. It takes some time for it to saturate while your androgen levels continue to drop......im getting exhausted with always trying to validate information that we already validated and if u know better go for it. I guess i cant save the world lol.

That's modeling. I said testing, as in blood testing.

And you haven't "validated" anything. You haven't even quantified anything. Post your blood tests showing your on-cycle test falling to physiological within 14 days, and your recovery while on exogenous test.
As I've posted before, even 25mg of exogenous test is just as suppressive as 600mg.

 

[Big Boss]

That's modeling. I said testing, as in blood testing.

And you haven't "validated" anything. You haven't even quantified anything. Post your blood tests showing your on-cycle test falling to physiological within 14 days, and your recovery while on exogenous test.
As I've posted before, even 25mg of exogenous test is just as suppressive as 600mg.

OMG... bro, that revolutionary right there! Never thought of it that way, or mustered the ingenuity to break it down like that!
I fucking jest.
Dude beat dead horses much cuz this one is glue by now bro. Tell us something nobody hasn't pondered years ago please.^^^^

 

[Big Boss]

@Erin Why are we overthinking the living shit outta this and debating it? I cruise so I have no dog in this fight, but if you wanna impress me by sharing stats easily found on the web you should bring an argument that hasn't be regurgitated 1000x. You do realize there are variables such as metabolic rate, body composition, hydration, blood concentration, frequency of fecal and urinary release, body temperature, etc... We could debate this all year. In AAS a lot of things are estimates and recommendations, however feel free to analyze this till you turn blue. If what you're saying sounds reasonable to you, do it the way YOU think best and see whats up rather than chase tail on here please.