Peptides/AAS for tendon rupture recovery

[Maintenance Man]

Well I fucked up and need surgery now for a completely ruptured patellar tendon. I will have surgery pretty soon. I'm getting together a get well quick package and have a few things on the way already. I have been researching and know the usual suspects to include. Just wanted to see if there was any point in using the kitchen sink method. For dosages I will be using the high ranges with BPC157 and TB500. Prob around 1mg of each per day. HGH will start at 2IUs ed. Will go up if water retention isn't too bad.

What I have now or already on the way:
BPC157/TB500 combo
TB 500
BPC157
HGH


What I'm prepared to buy/use if needed:
GHK-Cu
Epithalon
collagen powder
IGF1-LR3
Deca/Bold cyp
Anavar

I have been on BnC since last year in May. Was making really great progress until this happened but haven't stopped training what I can. Upon injury I dropped all compounds but test. I'm using a TRT dose currently and will keep that there until I can resume most gym activities.

The additional six items I listed were all found in other posts/articles about tendon injuries/healing. I'm not sure if any of them will work but I do already have the nand and var.

Should I use any of the other 6 items listed?

 

[biggerben69]

Hey, MM! Just wanted to say "Hey"! Its been a little while. Hope you can get what you need out of those products. There are some guys who will hopefully stop in who know a lot more than I do about the subject you broached. Be safe!

 

[Maintenance Man]

Hey, MM! Just wanted to say "Hey"! Its been a little while. Hope you can get what you need out of those products. There are some guys who will hopefully stop in who know a lot more than I do about the subject you broached. Be safe!

Yo BB whats up brother?! Long time no talk dude. I hope you've been well. I haven't been on the forums much lately. I got into some car hobbies recently and a lot of gym time. Man, shit was looking sweet until this. Legs are shrinking already. I'll be back tho for sure. Hopefully by December.

I hope the main three will help but willing to use others if needed lol. Funny too cause I was thinking about some stuff we talked about last time, just the other day.

 

[Ateam2023]

i tore a calf muscle in February, but was already dealing with tendonitus in both elbows , lng story short i have been using tb frag and bpc for several months no real change until i upped my dose from 1 mg of each daily then i upped it to 2 mg daily finally landing on the 3 mg daily of each peptide and everything seems to be healing now , but i personally didn't see a change until i started a larger dose , and from personal experience "spot injections " did not help any better imo

 

[roofer22]

I've never done it personally but I have heard that adding Anavar to the stack you already have can help with collagen synthesis. I'd throw some copper in there too.

 

[Maintenance Man]

i tore a calf muscle in February, but was already dealing with tendonitus in both elbows , lng story short i have been using tb frag and bpc for several months no real change until i upped my dose from 1 mg of each daily then i upped it to 2 mg daily finally landing on the 3 mg daily of each peptide and everything seems to be healing now , but i personally didn't see a change until i started a larger dose , and from personal experience "spot injections " did not help any better imo

Very interesting. I appreciate the info on your experience. This is exactly what I was looking for in the upper range and beyond of the two main peptides for healing. I will have enuf of both to run for several months at high doses. I was gauging my next purchase for extended use thru rehab and into training.

I also heard recently about the peptides being more systemic then originally thot. I'm very happy for that. I was listening to Fouad's podcast where he talked about injecting BPC157 directly into his tendon. Fuck that.

 

[Ateam2023]

I did do "painful" injections into my inner elbow tendon and while i say they were painful in a sense of hard pressure going into the tendon, it was something i wont do again i tried for 2 months with ehh ? But since upping the dose and doing it subq with my hgh better overall imo i think upping the dose was the key factor

Very interesting. I appreciate the info on your experience. This is exactly what I was looking for in the upper range and beyond of the two main peptides for healing. I will have enuf of both to run for several months at high doses. I was gauging my next purchase for extended use thru rehab and into training.

I also heard recently about the peptides being more systemic then originally thot. I'm very happy for that. I was listening to Fouad's podcast where he talked about injecting BPC157 directly into his tendon. Fuck that.

 

[UncleBuns]

I think your plan looks really good. I don't know much about GHK or epith though. TB BPC and GH are a great combo. As for dosing in GH I would ratchet that up towards 5 IU If you can afford it and it's tolerable. I know everyone responds differently to things but I find that BPC makes me feel wonky if I take it in the morning. I used to dose twice a day but now I just switch to pre-bed. Haven't seen others report this though.

Don't forget to focus on very sound nutrition that is low in or even better without items which are inflammatory like processed food, alcohol, etc. Prioritize high quality sleep. Get hooked up with a great physical therapist and stick to their plan. People like us tend to go overboard with the PT and that is counterproductive. Find a good PT and follow what they prescribe.

Out of curiosity, how did you rupture the tendon? That's a very thick strong tendon to tear. Bummer to hear. Injuries are a mother f*****.

 

[Maintenance Man]

I think your plan looks really good. I don't know much about GHK or epith though. TB BPC and GH are a great combo. As for dosing in GH I would ratchet that up towards 5 IU If you can afford it and it's tolerable. I know everyone responds differently to things but I find that BPC makes me feel wonky if I take it in the morning. I used to dose twice a day but now I just switch to pre-bed. Haven't seen others report this though.

Don't forget to focus on very sound nutrition that is low in or even better without items which are inflammatory like processed food, alcohol, etc. Prioritize high quality sleep. Get hooked up with a great physical therapist and stick to their plan. People like us tend to go overboard with the PT and that is counterproductive. Find a good PT and follow what they prescribe.

Out of curiosity, how did you rupture the tendon? That's a very thick strong tendon to tear. Bummer to hear. Injuries are a mother f*****.

Yeah I'm not sure how much more effective the additional products would be. I figured if it was cheap then it was worth a shot. Something like the GHK-Cu which I've read can be used for things like wound healing, anti inflammation, and possibly increased collagen production, would be worth a shot in the dark under $50. The Epitalon is pretty cheap as well but mainly for anti aging and wound healing. I will definitely up the HGH but like to start low. I have a tendency to get pretty bloated. My ankles looked insane at 8-9IUs ed.

I've been really good with my diet for prob a year now. I haven't fallen off in that aspect prob due to high spirits about my return. I don't drink but my sleep isn't the greatest. Having a leg brace sucks and I stay up waaay too late now that I'm on disability leave from work. The PT part I've heard is gonna be vey important like you say. I'm just anxious to get my surgery complete and on the way to PT currently. I will follow their lead tho for sure.

It was a total bonehead move. I fell down on pavement and completely bent my leg backward and was pretty much sitting on it. Kind of a freak accident but got me real good. I couldn't even get up. My leg was locked back and I couldn't straighten it out. I was hoping for dislocated kneecap or something. Lucky I had my phone in my pocket and I laid there waiting for the ambulance. I would have had surgery in the hospital when it originally happened but there was abrasions on my knee which could lead to an infection if cut thru.

I'm dealing with new insurance after switching over from Kaiser for 8 years. I have Western Health Advantage now and it's been a shitshow. My surgeon that I've been waiting for a month now to see suddenly says he cant do my surgery. Office is being closed. Complete waste of my fucking time. I'm calling the insurance tmrw to see whos on deck now. I'm going back to Kaiser in April when my work has open enrollment day...

 

[songsofpyramids]

collagen powder

No one talking about this but I’ve found adding collagen peptide powder into my post workout protein shake to be a game changer for me in terms of recovery, and found that game changer to be extra significant with hgh thrown and into the equation. From my layperson understanding it’s not great protein for building muscles, but your body can absorb it super quickly and muscles utilize it to repair damage fast.

I did some googling and it looks like collagen is great for pre and post surgery repair **but** there are some caveats as there are many different types of collagen and times to take the different types. Type I and III collagen peptides should be taken prior to surgery, and Type II collagen post surgery.

This guy has a whole collagen schedule for surgery with explanations that seems fairly solid. I’ve seen similar protocols other places.

When and Why You Should NOT Take Collagen After Surgery

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Sorry you’re going through that nightmare with offices and insurance man.

 

[jankoch]

No one talking about this but I’ve found adding collagen peptide powder into my post workout protein shake to be a game changer for me in terms of recovery, and found that game changer to be extra significant with hgh thrown and into the equation. From my layperson understanding it’s not great protein for building muscles, but your body can absorb it super quickly and muscles utilize it to repair damage fast.

I did some googling and it looks like collagen is great for pre and post surgery repair **but** there are some caveats as there are many different types of collagen and times to take the different types. Type I and III collagen peptides should be taken prior to surgery, and Type II collagen post surgery.

This guy has a whole collagen schedule for surgery with explanations that seems fairly solid. I’ve seen similar protocols other places.

When and Why You Should NOT Take Collagen After Surgery

Collagen is vital to joint and connective tissue health. It's a must for athletes and active people in general. But there's a time and place for it. Here's when and why you should NOT take collagen after surgery.

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Sorry you’re going through that nightmare with offices and insurance man.

Thats why it sucks when in 2024 lots of bodybuilders still eat mostly chickenbreast, some beef usually in steak form, eggs, skinless fish, rice, oats, whey protein, some veggies. Actually most people who try to either look or performance better, not confined to BBers.

There is a whole another level of nutrition than most people seem to realize.

Its a smart thing to eat lots of other things including thick soups/stews from bones with lots of tendons which bodybuilders usually tend to find stupid.

Same with weird organs. Its probably smart to eat it at least couple times a month - cooked of course.
Too bad idiots like liver king made this whole thing ridicolous taking it to some moronic extremes because of greed.

I supplement with collagen also other than eating stews, skins with the meat etc. Its great for gut health too.

 

[songsofpyramids]

My surgeon that I've been waiting for a month now to see suddenly says he cant do my surgery.

That shit is so disheartening in the process of being sick or injured, wouldn’t wish it on people I hate. Genuinely wishing you the best as a complete stranger. Been there, it’s awful.

I supplement with collagen also other than eating stews, skins with the meat etc. Its great for gut health too.

I agree with everything you said. I eat much more collagen rich meats lately, and almost always cook my rice in bone broth. Simple stuff to keep it in. On top of collagen supplements in my smoothie post lift. I have a much more rounded diet than a lot of folks around here, but I’m also not trying to get as huge as others here either. I’ve never hated my life more than bulking on chicken, rice, and broccoli when I was younger and dumber personally.

 

[Maintenance Man]

No one talking about this but I’ve found adding collagen peptide powder into my post workout protein shake to be a game changer for me in terms of recovery, and found that game changer to be extra significant with hgh thrown and into the equation. From my layperson understanding it’s not great protein for building muscles, but your body can absorb it super quickly and muscles utilize it to repair damage fast.

I did some googling and it looks like collagen is great for pre and post surgery repair **but** there are some caveats as there are many different types of collagen and times to take the different types. Type I and III collagen peptides should be taken prior to surgery, and Type II collagen post surgery.

This guy has a whole collagen schedule for surgery with explanations that seems fairly solid. I’ve seen similar protocols other places.

When and Why You Should NOT Take Collagen After Surgery

Collagen is vital to joint and connective tissue health. It's a must for athletes and active people in general. But there's a time and place for it. Here's when and why you should NOT take collagen after surgery.

saltwrap.com

Sorry you’re going through that nightmare with offices and insurance man.

I used to take the gorilla mode brand collagen but didn't seem to notice much. I certainly noticed more from HGH with explosive fingernail growth. I was planning on adding it as well since it wouldn't be too bad of a hit using it from a place like bulk supplements in a kg bag. Hoping it will "amplify" with HGH like you mentioned. Cant hurt. was gonna buy all three types. I think it was chicken, marine, and bovine. I will check that link out for info.

Thats why it sucks when in 2024 lots of bodybuilders still eat mostly chickenbreast, some beef usually in steak form, eggs, skinless fish, rice, oats, whey protein, some veggies. Actually most people who try to either look or performance better, not confined to BBers.

There is a whole another level of nutrition than most people seem to realize.

Its a smart thing to eat lots of other things including thick soups/stews from bones with lots of tendons which bodybuilders usually tend to find stupid.

Same with weird organs. Its probably smart to eat it at least couple times a month - cooked of course.
Too bad idiots like liver king made this whole thing ridicolous taking it to some moronic extremes because of greed.

I supplement with collagen also other than eating stews, skins with the meat etc. Its great for gut health too.

I agree. I just had my mother make me a beef soup with stock from bones. Man it was gone in 2 days lol. She also used to make chicken liver and onions for dinner when I was a kid. I actually liked it with a bit of ketchup or A1. This injury has also made me pay even more attention to what I'm eating now that I'm moving so much less. Tbo I'm willing to do more different things now that I'm injured to hopefully make a difference. If eating liver again once or twice a week will help, I'm all in.

 

[UncleBuns]

Yeah I'm not sure how much more effective the additional products would be. I figured if it was cheap then it was worth a shot. Something like the GHK-Cu which I've read can be used for things like wound healing, anti inflammation, and possibly increased collagen production, would be worth a shot in the dark under $50. The Epitalon is pretty cheap as well but mainly for anti aging and wound healing. I will definitely up the HGH but like to start low. I have a tendency to get pretty bloated. My ankles looked insane at 8-9IUs ed.

I've been really good with my diet for prob a year now. I haven't fallen off in that aspect prob due to high spirits about my return. I don't drink but my sleep isn't the greatest. Having a leg brace sucks and I stay up waaay too late now that I'm on disability leave from work. The PT part I've heard is gonna be vey important like you say. I'm just anxious to get my surgery complete and on the way to PT currently. I will follow their lead tho for sure.

It was a total bonehead move. I fell down on pavement and completely bent my leg backward and was pretty much sitting on it. Kind of a freak accident but got me real good. I couldn't even get up. My leg was locked back and I couldn't straighten it out. I was hoping for dislocated kneecap or something. Lucky I had my phone in my pocket and I laid there waiting for the ambulance. I would have had surgery in the hospital when it originally happened but there was abrasions on my knee which could lead to an infection if cut thru.

I'm dealing with new insurance after switching over from Kaiser for 8 years. I have Western Health Advantage now and it's been a shitshow. My surgeon that I've been waiting for a month now to see suddenly says he cant do my surgery. Office is being closed. Complete waste of my fucking time. I'm calling the insurance tmrw to see whos on deck now. I'm going back to Kaiser in April when my work has open enrollment day...

That's shitty. Hope you get dialed in with a good surgeon ASAP! I would save the healing compounds for after you get the procedure. Try and get your sleep dialed in. That is a BIG part of healing.

Like @songsofpyramids said, collagen might be a good idea. I take it daily. From what I've read as far as connective tissue, the evidence is mixed whether collagen supplements make a difference but I take it anyhow hoping that it does. I buy it in big 5 lb bags and it's not too expensive.

 

[MindlessWork]

I tore my left Achilles in early January got surgery 2 weeks later and right after surgery started on BPC157/TB500 along with GHK-Cu and some GH at 2 iu ED. This cocktail worked quite well for me as was able to get back on my feet in a little over 6 weeks post op and then returned to the gym at 9 weeks post op for some light rehab.

Right now at 6 months post op I'm walking pretty much normally.

 

[AlexDavis43]

No idea how much collagen powder helps with healing, but it's easy to add a scoop to sauces, dips, dressings, soups, et cetera. Thickens them nicely.

Plus the possibility of health benefits.

 

[UncleBuns]

No idea how much collagen powder helps with healing, but it's easy to add a scoop to sauces, dips, dressings, soups, et cetera. Thickens them nicely.

Plus the possibility of health benefits.

I just put it in warm water, let dissolve, and down the hatch. Kind of taste mildly like farm animal musk. Not to bad though.

 

[Maintenance Man]

A small update on my TB500/BPC157 usages. I had bilateral patellar reconstruction in Aug. I've been taking them and other shit off and on since I was released from the hospital. I've ramped up to 10 mg of each daily now. If there has been anything that seems to help in the peptide realm, it's been these. I've spent some time at just about all dosages up to the current 10 mg daily. I'm a fan of the higher doses from 5mg and up. I wouldn't do this for anything but a serious injury/surgery/recovery. Taking this much for tennis elbow wouldn't seem worth the money unless you got it then fuck it.

I've been on HGH the entire time as well. This is the floor level for healing of course. These doses have ramped up and down with water retention/numbing. Have comfortably settled on about 7-10IUs now.

I just returned to work with light duty and no crouching or kneeling. Honestly I can almost do it already. My PT ended recently and there wasn't a single visit that I didn't meet or exceed expectations. While I find that taking so much every day can be a hassle, it does help. Looking at me walk now, you prob wouldn't even notice I have an injury but ask me to run or jump and Im fucked lol. I didn't leave my wheelchair until the beginning of Oct.

Other things I ran for short times were Ghk CU and IGF1 LR3. I'm not sure what happened from those but my skin seems like its been much clearer. I don't have nor ever had any acne probs unless running a dht steron. I had a serious callus on my knee that had been there for years prob decades. I remember putting extra lotion on it before getting hurt trying to soften it up. Weird but that patch is completely smooth now. Not sure what caused that but something I took fixed my skin. Extra bonus.

In summary Id say take a shit load of HGH, BPC 157, and TB 500 if you have a serious injury. Im sold.

 

[17SS]

A small update on my TB500/BPC157 usages. I had bilateral patellar reconstruction in Aug. I've been taking them and other shit off and on since I was released from the hospital. I've ramped up to 10 mg of each daily now. If there has been anything that seems to help in the peptide realm, it's been these. I've spent some time at just about all dosages up to the current 10 mg daily. I'm a fan of the higher doses from 5mg and up. I wouldn't do this for anything but a serious injury/surgery/recovery. Taking this much for tennis elbow wouldn't seem worth the money unless you got it then fuck it.

I've been on HGH the entire time as well. This is the floor level for healing of course. These doses have ramped up and down with water retention/numbing. Have comfortably settled on about 7-10IUs now.

I just returned to work with light duty and no crouching or kneeling. Honestly I can almost do it already. My PT ended recently and there wasn't a single visit that I didn't meet or exceed expectations. While I find that taking so much every day can be a hassle, it does help. Looking at me walk now, you prob wouldn't even notice I have an injury but ask me to run or jump and Im fucked lol. I didn't leave my wheelchair until the beginning of Oct.

Other things I ran for short times were Ghk CU and IGF1 LR3. I'm not sure what happened from those but my skin seems like its been much clearer. I don't have nor ever had any acne probs unless running a dht steron. I had a serious callus on my knee that had been there for years prob decades. I remember putting extra lotion on it before getting hurt trying to soften it up. Weird but that patch is completely smooth now. Not sure what caused that but something I took fixed my skin. Extra bonus.

In summary Id say take a shit load of HGH, BPC 157, and TB 500 if you have a serious injury. Im sold.

Congratulations on your recovery! Take it easy.

I just have Achilles tendinitis so no where near what you experienced. But can attest to the run or jump statement.

I tried BPC/TB500/HGH without much success and then added in Anavar and then NPP. I try to use the Anavar sparingly to limit the hit on my lipids and didn’t notice much difference when using it for a several weeks straight, other than the lipid hit. But have slowly ramped up the NPP and have noticed a definite change to the better. I can do 10 flights of stairs without stopping now (tallest uninterrupted set of stairs at work) and a slow jog, but still need to watch the impacts.

Just floating ideas for you.