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Pharacom test results, under dosed

dbolman said:
Check out the Bayer blood test thread. I was going off of Dr Jim's explanation there. That is test e not prop. Here's a screenshot of the explanation. Maybe someone can clarify .
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According to Dr. Jim's post, and with the OP pinning what was suppose to be 300mg ~24-hours prior to blood draw, he should have tested at ~3000. So 1818/3000 = .606, or approximately 60% properly dosed.
 
dbolman said:
Check out the Bayer blood test thread. I was going off of Dr Jim's explanation there. That is test e not prop. Here's a screenshot of the explanation. Maybe someone can clarify .
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I'm not sure what Dr Jim was talking about that night but that is not how it's supposed to work in my experience and from everything I've seen.

Look through the lab testing forum. There are many 7-10x bloods based on the weekly dose while doing a split shot whether it's test E/C or prop.

On e/c I usually come in at 8x.. That's based on the total dose for the week and I always split in 2 shots.
 
johnnyBALLZ said:
I'm not sure what Dr Jim was talking about that night but that is not how it's supposed to work in my experience and from everything I've seen.

Look through the lab testing forum. There are many 7-10x bloods based on the weekly dose while doing a split shot whether it's test E/C or prop.

On e/c I usually come in at 8x.. That's based on the total dose for the week and I always split in 2 shots.
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We keep digging this convo back up every other month, it seems, but i believe that basically we have determined in the past that by using the 'total testosterone value from the blood test' DIVIDED BY the 'weekly dosage in milligrams' that we have a number comparable across the spectrum of esters, have we not?

And this number is usually consider acceptable in the 6x-7x range, and good in the 8x-10x range, I think.

The reason, we have concluded in the past, that we can compare esters, is due to the half life of each ester - ASSUMING THAT THE SHORT ESTER (prop) is injected ED or EOD giving a steady state level comparable to the less frequently injected (longer half life) long esters. Correct?

Hasn't this already been widely accepted here - or no?
 
I think you are right on the money Bickel, and that is the reason for waiting for week 5 or 6 with long esters to stabilize blood levels for testing purposes. It doesn't just go off the last shot. I found the old pct calculator to be pretty damn close to telling you what you could expect your blood levels to be sitting at, and that jives with what it was running.

I always tried to hit a gram and try and ride it as long as possible by using the calc formula. This turned out to be about 750 mg a week on test c or test e. Now here is where we run into a problem with the underdosed shit floating around, or at least one of the problems. Say you are trying to hit 750mg a week and the ugl crap is 50% purity. That now means you need to bump it up to 1500mg a week. 6 fucking pins a week of long esters. Yay, that isn't going to suck at all. I'll have a grapefruit in each ass cheek by week 4 and would probably have to stop at that point.

Next you have to wonder what in the fuck the rest of it is that you are pumping in your body. You 20 year olds may not give a shit. I know i probably would not have at that age, but it is far different for me now. I was around when we could get good pharm products and people were carrying around gym bags as traveling pharmacies. This low quality crap is really getting old for more reasons than just those two. So we have an unsafe product that you have to pump the shit out of the dose to see good effect...and that is if the nitwit producing hasn't stomped it with something else that you didn't plan on, like estrogen or who the hell knows what else.

So for you guys wanting to hit 3ccs a week for trt purposes, congrats, this will likely work just fine. For those of us wanting to push it every couple of years at a serious pace, well, not so good for us.
 
Man, Darius did post a response to the low bloods early today in one of the many Pharmacom/Darius threads. I don't remember which one and I am too tired to go looking for it. But it's out there.
 
bickel29 said:
We keep digging this convo back up every other month, it seems, but i believe that basically we have determined in the past that by using the 'total testosterone value from the blood test' DIVIDED BY the 'weekly dosage in milligrams' that we have a number comparable across the spectrum of esters, have we not?

And this number is usually consider acceptable in the 6x-7x range, and good in the 8x-10x range, I think.

The reason, we have concluded in the past, that we can compare esters, is due to the half life of each ester - ASSUMING THAT THE SHORT ESTER (prop) is injected ED or EOD giving a steady state level comparable to the less frequently injected (longer half life) long esters. Correct?

Hasn't this already been widely accepted here - or no?
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Also, wouldn't the ester make a difference regarding the actual MG's/ML of the drug.

Meaning, there's more test in 1mg of test P than of test E, for example. In some cases, the difference is quite large. So how could we establish a blanket _x rule for test? shouldn't it be based on the ester?
 
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