MESO-Rx Sponsor Pharmacom Labs officials and our Basicstero.com store

[Pharmacom Support]

Hoping someone here could help me out. First I want to state that the deca I’m about to ask about was bought from my source and not basic.
anyway my source (who I trust) told me he has deca left. The only reason I came here and started ordering from basic in the first place is because my source stop selling pcom. And he sold it cheaper than I can get from basic too, somehow?

anyway the only reason I’m asking is because of how hard it was to scratch of the code bit. The first one I tried I scraped off half the code. And the second;

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Whats the 5th digit? is it a zero 0, or a O.

at first i put 0 and it came back as fake. but with O it comes back as legit. and i fucked the second code so i cant check.

I just want to hear what someone else thinks..

as for the codes I’ve Googled a lot and it seems pcom zeros have a line through them which means the picture is a O. Can you confirm this please?

like this ?

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Hi, I will check the information and write to you a little later.

 

[Pharmacom Support]

Vladimir Yakovlev - PRO athlete team Pharmacom Labs.

Link to Vladimir's instagram profile, follow the news.

www.instagram.com/yaki_ifbbpro/

 

[David44]

I guess 95% of all members are from the United states and thats why yall are satisfied with pharmacom.
But im not, i'm from germany and i got bunk gear from pharmacom (i can prove my order but i cannot prove that it was 100%bunk). In europe are rumors that pharmacom is sending the legit stuff to the usa and the low quality stuff to europe.

I ordered tren a and test P and i have a lot of experience with tren a and e and know when i got good tren. Before i got my order from pharmacom i had legit tren a and test p (not naming any brands because people will accuse me of bashing pharmacom and promoting the others brands). And after i started injecting pharmacom tren and test, the first thing that happened was that i lost that full feeling you have on tren, its like having a pump. After 2-3days my libido also decreased and i got that fluffy chubby look.
After round about 6days i started loosing strength, i lost the insane pumps after 3 days.

I messaged pharmacom several times but they told me that i have to test it and its impossible that its fake because then the whole batch would be fake etc. And its just my feeling etc. (can prove it and show the emails).

Got scammed 370€.

I cant order the warehouse 2 stuff cuz it will get seized.

 

[Tastypeanut2]

I guess 95% of all members are from the United states and thats why yall are satisfied with pharmacom.
But im not, i'm from germany and i got bunk gear from pharmacom (i can prove my order but i cannot prove that it was 100%bunk). In europe are rumors that pharmacom is sending the legit stuff to the usa and the low quality stuff to europe.

I ordered tren a and test P and i have a lot of experience with tren a and e and know when i got good tren. Before i got my order from pharmacom i had legit tren a and test p (not naming any brands because people will accuse me of bashing pharmacom and promoting the others brands). And after i started injecting pharmacom tren and test, the first thing that happened was that i lost that full feeling you have on tren, its like having a pump. After 2-3days my libido also decreased and i got that fluffy chubby look.
After round about 6days i started loosing strength, i lost the insane pumps after 3 days.

I messaged pharmacom several times but they told me that i have to test it and its impossible that its fake because then the whole batch would be fake etc. And its just my feeling etc. (can prove it and show the emails).

Got scammed 370€.

I cant order the warehouse 2 stuff cuz it will get seized.

Hey bud , how many weeks were you into the Tren and test ?

 

[David44]

Hey bud , how many weeks were you into the Tren and test ?

1,5 weeks, i used a whole bottle of their tren a and whole bottle of their test P, after that i was 100% sure that its bunk and switched the labs.

Again i can prove every thing, payment, order, email conversation with my complains etc.

 

[limitphobic]

1,5 weeks, i used a whole bottle of their tren a and whole bottle of their test P, after that i was 100% sure that its bunk and switched the labs.

Again i can prove every thing, payment, order, email conversation with my complains etc.

Not sure if it’s an option where you live, but blood work would be the best proof...

Edit: ^^^second best. The best would be sending an unopened vial to one of the respected testers.

 

[David44]

Not sure if it’s an option where you live, but blood work would be the best proof...

Edit: ^^^second best. The best would be sending an unopened vial to one of the respected testers.

They told me to test it and i told them that its not allowed here in germany to test illegal sunstances and that the lab would "snitch" on me and get me in trouble. So the suggested a lab im switzerland which could test it for me, i emailed them and asked for a price (can prove it) and this was 3-4 weeks ago and i never got a amswer.

The bloodwork was at thag point unnecessary for me because everything was going downwards, libido, strength, muscle hardness, pump etc and i was 100%sure that it has no active substances in it.

After i used 1 bottle tren a and test p i throw the rest away.

 

[Pharmacom Support]

I guess 95% of all members are from the United states and thats why yall are satisfied with pharmacom.
But im not, i'm from germany and i got bunk gear from pharmacom (i can prove my order but i cannot prove that it was 100%bunk). In europe are rumors that pharmacom is sending the legit stuff to the usa and the low quality stuff to europe.

I ordered tren a and test P and i have a lot of experience with tren a and e and know when i got good tren. Before i got my order from pharmacom i had legit tren a and test p (not naming any brands because people will accuse me of bashing pharmacom and promoting the others brands). And after i started injecting pharmacom tren and test, the first thing that happened was that i lost that full feeling you have on tren, its like having a pump. After 2-3days my libido also decreased and i got that fluffy chubby look.
After round about 6days i started loosing strength, i lost the insane pumps after 3 days.

I messaged pharmacom several times but they told me that i have to test it and its impossible that its fake because then the whole batch would be fake etc. And its just my feeling etc. (can prove it and show the emails).

Got scammed 370€.

I cant order the warehouse 2 stuff cuz it will get seized.

1,5 weeks, i used a whole bottle of their tren a and whole bottle of their test P, after that i was 100% sure that its bunk and switched the labs.

Again i can prove every thing, payment, order, email conversation with my complains etc.

They told me to test it and i told them that its not allowed here in germany to test illegal sunstances and that the lab would "snitch" on me and get me in trouble. So the suggested a lab im switzerland which could test it for me, i emailed them and asked for a price (can prove it) and this was 3-4 weeks ago and i never got a amswer.

The bloodwork was at thag point unnecessary for me because everything was going downwards, libido, strength, muscle hardness, pump etc and i was 100%sure that it has no active substances in it.

After i used 1 bottle tren a and test p i throw the rest away.

Hi, we apologize for the inconvenience, please don't worry, we will do our best to make you happy. Please write me your order number, in private messages, I will check how we can help you.

 

[Pharmacom Support]

PHARMA MIX 3.


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- Testosterone Enanthate 200 mg / ml.
- Nandrolone Decanoate 200 mg / ml.
- Trenbolone Enanthate 100 mg / ml.


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Differences PHARMA MIX 3:
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Has anyone already tried it? We will be glad to hear your opinion, feedback, suggestions or questions.

 

[RThoads]

I guess 95% of all members are from the United states and thats why yall are satisfied with pharmacom.
But im not, i'm from germany and i got bunk gear from pharmacom (i can prove my order but i cannot prove that it was 100%bunk). In europe are rumors that pharmacom is sending the legit stuff to the usa and the low quality stuff to europe.

I ordered tren a and test P and i have a lot of experience with tren a and e and know when i got good tren. Before i got my order from pharmacom i had legit tren a and test p (not naming any brands because people will accuse me of bashing pharmacom and promoting the others brands). And after i started injecting pharmacom tren and test, the first thing that happened was that i lost that full feeling you have on tren, its like having a pump. After 2-3days my libido also decreased and i got that fluffy chubby look.
After round about 6days i started loosing strength, i lost the insane pumps after 3 days.

I messaged pharmacom several times but they told me that i have to test it and its impossible that its fake because then the whole batch would be fake etc. And its just my feeling etc. (can prove it and show the emails).

Got scammed 370€.

I cant order the warehouse 2 stuff cuz it will get seized.

...
Again i can prove every thing, payment, order, email conversation with my complains etc.

Except, you have ZERO proof of your claims regarding the products' quality.

ALL Pharmacom prodcuts are made at the same indutrial scale manufacturing facility; the batches are massive with thousands of vial coming off automated clean-room prodcution lines.
ALL warehosues get these same products from teh same huge batches.
See production video linked in the code box below:

https://pharmacomlabs.com/innovations

Pharmacom Support is too kind to you -- I understand he is customer service and it is his job.
Ask around, I am very kind and helpful as well but you are not looking for info, help, or to learn or figure out what is going on (without any analytic testing or even shitty bloodwork) are just coming to bash or get something (and with only 2 posts at the time you posted in this thread, we do not even know who you are, if you are a legit contributing member of the community, a troll, or just a shill for a competitor -- i am not accusing, but think about it; anyone can say anything online and we have no way to know facts if there is no data to reference).

I call you out on your bullshit -- how you feel means nothing to me.

Let me test you "logic." IF some other guy says he "Feels" great, is that enough to prove to you the product is good?
Well, then, if not, I guess "feel" is not enough to prove shit to us either.

Show us some verifiable data. Even blood work does not mean shit to me because everyone varies greatly in how they metabolize compounds AND of course no one has any way to know for sure what someone actually used, if anything, or how they used it (they could take half what they claim or some other brand etc., then pulls bloods -- how would I know?).

We have many customer outside the USA that have enjoyed great results. Some post here on MESO from various countries in Europe and around the world etc.
We have guys here in this thread from outside the USA that have posted analytics results.

One such guy was at first critical based on some results, then he had a vial of his own recently tested and was kind enough to share the results to show the info his early post was incorrect.

If I remember correctly, another customer that regularly posts here in from Germany and gets his products analyzed.

Finally, consider that fact the AnabolicLab ( Anabolic Lab - Independent Analytical Lab Testing for Anabolic Steroid Harm Reduction ) harm reduction project/site has anon purchasers some of which may be in Europe.

Explain to us all these good results from others all over the world.

Aint nobody got time for your bullshit – go find a different source.

Tell you what I am going to do for you; I am going to text Frank (Basicstero sales manager) and ask that he please make sure NO ONE from customer service offer you ANYTHING until you show some real data.

He likely will not take my advice because this source is good to everyone and strives to take care of customers.

Basicstero is too kind and it opens themselves up to getting used/scammed/tricked for free shit etc. NOT on my watch, if I can have any say.

If you get some real data (verifiable/trusted analytic results from somewhere that is able to confirm the vial submitted was new, never opened, and not tampered with), I will be the first to apologize.

Nonetheless, I wish you the best on your results with a new source and hope you find a product/source with which you are happy.

-
EDIT to add recent customer posted analytic results (these customers are not from the USA to the best of my undersatanding/impression):

Hello everyone,

I have posted before some results from wikibolics, that shows many tests underdosed, like tren E tested twice 50% underdosed

Pharmacom Labs officials and our Basicstero.com store

So I checked by sending a tren E 200 to Janoshik, I don't trust wikibolics results, another guy verified their meditech results.

Wikibolics lab tests can't be trusted.

Mfg date: 2017-01
Exp date: 2022-01
Batch Nr: PHTR00002EV

https://janoshik.com/tests/8187-AAS_oil_%22Facial_Recovery_Oil%22_ZAD1XRHQL7FP (Janoshik Analytical)

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and

Always blood's.
Atm 60ng/ml testosterone overall at 100mg test c ed.

I just tested test E 300 at 389mg/ml at janoshik.

Somewhere in this topic or in the thread from janoshik itself. But this is older than a year.

Blood's always on point.

 

[amtont]

Except, you have ZERO proof of your claims regarding the products' quality.

ALL Pharmacom prodcuts are made at the same indutrial scale manufacturing facility; the batches are massive with thousands of vial coming off automated clean-room prodcution lines.
ALL warehosues get these same products from teh same huge batches.
See production video linked in the code box below:

https://pharmacomlabs.com/innovations

Pharmacom Support is too kind to you -- I understand he is customer service and it is his job.
Ask around, I am very kind and helpful as well but you are not looking for info, help, or to learn or figure out what is going on (without any analytic testing or even shitty bloodwork) are just coming to bash or get something (and with only 2 posts at the time you posted in this thread, we do not even know who you are, if you are a legit contributing member of the community, a troll, or just a shill for a competitor -- i am not accusing, but think about it; anyone can say anything online and we have no way to know facts if there is no data to reference).

I call you out on your bullshit -- how you feel means nothing to me.

Let me test you "logic." IF some other guy says he "Feels" great, is that enough to prove to you the product is good?
Well, then, if not, I guess "feel" is not enough to prove shit to us either.

Show us some verifiable data. Even blood work does not mean shit to me because everyone varies greatly in how they metabolize compounds AND of course no one has any way to know for sure what someone actually used, if anything, or how they used it (they could take half what they claim or some other brand etc., then pulls bloods -- how would I know?).

We have many customer outside the USA that have enjoyed great results. Some post here on MESO from various countries in Europe and around the world etc.
We have guys here in this thread from outside the USA that have posted analytics results.

One such guy was at first critical based on some results, then he had a vial of his own recently tested and was kind enough to share the results to show the info his early post was incorrect.

If I remember correctly, another customer that regularly posts here in from Germany and gets his products analyzed.

Finally, consider that fact the AnabolicLab ( Anabolic Lab - Independent Analytical Lab Testing for Anabolic Steroid Harm Reduction ) harm reduction project/site has anon purchasers some of which may be in Europe.

Explain to us all these good results from others all over the world.

Aint nobody got time for your bullshit – go find a different source.

Tell you what I am going to do for you; I am going to text Frank (Basicstero sales manager) and ask that he please make sure NO ONE from customer service offer you ANYTHING until you show some real data.

He likely will not take my advice because this source is good to everyone and strives to take care of customers.

Basicstero is too kind and it opens themselves up to getting used/scammed/tricked for free shit etc. NOT on my watch, if I can have any say.

If you get some real data (verifiable/trusted analytic results from somewhere that is able to confirm the vial submitted was new, never opened, and not tampered with), I will be the first to apologize.

Nonetheless, I wish you the best on your results with a new source and hope you find a product/source with which you are happy.

-
EDIT to add recent customer posted analytic results (these customers are not from the USA to the best of my undersatanding/impression):

and

Although this is a member’s board I agree with this 100%. If you want to hold a sources “feet to the fire” when they scam then it has to work both ways with reverse scamming from customers. You have to come with some proof other than a “feelz report”. That won’t get you far with any source not just pcom.

Shit like this just fucks stuff up for everyone because it discredits and makes sources skeptical of those who actually have legitimate complaints (every source makes mistakes at times).

 

[David44]

Except, you have ZERO proof of your claims regarding the products' quality.

ALL Pharmacom prodcuts are made at the same indutrial scale manufacturing facility; the batches are massive with thousands of vial coming off automated clean-room prodcution lines.
ALL warehosues get these same products from teh same huge batches.
See production video linked in the code box below:

https://pharmacomlabs.com/innovations

Pharmacom Support is too kind to you -- I understand he is customer service and it is his job.
Ask around, I am very kind and helpful as well but you are not looking for info, help, or to learn or figure out what is going on (without any analytic testing or even shitty bloodwork) are just coming to bash or get something (and with only 2 posts at the time you posted in this thread, we do not even know who you are, if you are a legit contributing member of the community, a troll, or just a shill for a competitor -- i am not accusing, but think about it; anyone can say anything online and we have no way to know facts if there is no data to reference).

I call you out on your bullshit -- how you feel means nothing to me.

Let me test you "logic." IF some other guy says he "Feels" great, is that enough to prove to you the product is good?
Well, then, if not, I guess "feel" is not enough to prove shit to us either.

Show us some verifiable data. Even blood work does not mean shit to me because everyone varies greatly in how they metabolize compounds AND of course no one has any way to know for sure what someone actually used, if anything, or how they used it (they could take half what they claim or some other brand etc., then pulls bloods -- how would I know?).

We have many customer outside the USA that have enjoyed great results. Some post here on MESO from various countries in Europe and around the world etc.
We have guys here in this thread from outside the USA that have posted analytics results.

One such guy was at first critical based on some results, then he had a vial of his own recently tested and was kind enough to share the results to show the info his early post was incorrect.

If I remember correctly, another customer that regularly posts here in from Germany and gets his products analyzed.

Finally, consider that fact the AnabolicLab ( Anabolic Lab - Independent Analytical Lab Testing for Anabolic Steroid Harm Reduction ) harm reduction project/site has anon purchasers some of which may be in Europe.

Explain to us all these good results from others all over the world.

Aint nobody got time for your bullshit – go find a different source.

Tell you what I am going to do for you; I am going to text Frank (Basicstero sales manager) and ask that he please make sure NO ONE from customer service offer you ANYTHING until you show some real data.

He likely will not take my advice because this source is good to everyone and strives to take care of customers.

Basicstero is too kind and it opens themselves up to getting used/scammed/tricked for free shit etc. NOT on my watch, if I can have any say.

If you get some real data (verifiable/trusted analytic results from somewhere that is able to confirm the vial submitted was new, never opened, and not tampered with), I will be the first to apologize.

Nonetheless, I wish you the best on your results with a new source and hope you find a product/source with which you are happy.

-
EDIT to add recent customer posted analytic results (these customers are not from the USA to the best of my undersatanding/impression):

and

I will answer this tomorrow in detail.
I will answer every point you made.

 

[PHL Official]

Except, you have ZERO proof of your claims regarding the products' quality.

ALL Pharmacom prodcuts are made at the same indutrial scale manufacturing facility; the batches are massive with thousands of vial coming off automated clean-room prodcution lines.
ALL warehosues get these same products from teh same huge batches.
See production video linked in the code box below:

https://pharmacomlabs.com/innovations

Pharmacom Support is too kind to you -- I understand he is customer service and it is his job.
Ask around, I am very kind and helpful as well but you are not looking for info, help, or to learn or figure out what is going on (without any analytic testing or even shitty bloodwork) are just coming to bash or get something (and with only 2 posts at the time you posted in this thread, we do not even know who you are, if you are a legit contributing member of the community, a troll, or just a shill for a competitor -- i am not accusing, but think about it; anyone can say anything online and we have no way to know facts if there is no data to reference).

I call you out on your bullshit -- how you feel means nothing to me.

Let me test you "logic." IF some other guy says he "Feels" great, is that enough to prove to you the product is good?
Well, then, if not, I guess "feel" is not enough to prove shit to us either.

Show us some verifiable data. Even blood work does not mean shit to me because everyone varies greatly in how they metabolize compounds AND of course no one has any way to know for sure what someone actually used, if anything, or how they used it (they could take half what they claim or some other brand etc., then pulls bloods -- how would I know?).

We have many customer outside the USA that have enjoyed great results. Some post here on MESO from various countries in Europe and around the world etc.
We have guys here in this thread from outside the USA that have posted analytics results.

One such guy was at first critical based on some results, then he had a vial of his own recently tested and was kind enough to share the results to show the info his early post was incorrect.

If I remember correctly, another customer that regularly posts here in from Germany and gets his products analyzed.

Finally, consider that fact the AnabolicLab ( Anabolic Lab - Independent Analytical Lab Testing for Anabolic Steroid Harm Reduction ) harm reduction project/site has anon purchasers some of which may be in Europe.

Explain to us all these good results from others all over the world.

Aint nobody got time for your bullshit – go find a different source.

Tell you what I am going to do for you; I am going to text Frank (Basicstero sales manager) and ask that he please make sure NO ONE from customer service offer you ANYTHING until you show some real data.

He likely will not take my advice because this source is good to everyone and strives to take care of customers.

Basicstero is too kind and it opens themselves up to getting used/scammed/tricked for free shit etc. NOT on my watch, if I can have any say.

If you get some real data (verifiable/trusted analytic results from somewhere that is able to confirm the vial submitted was new, never opened, and not tampered with), I will be the first to apologize.

Nonetheless, I wish you the best on your results with a new source and hope you find a product/source with which you are happy.

-
EDIT to add recent customer posted analytic results (these customers are not from the USA to the best of my undersatanding/impression):

and

Completely support RThoads in this. If you don`t feel what you expected to feel, it has nothing to do with reality at all. There are ordering terms which all agree with while placing an order. According to those in case of doubts sample should be tested in an independent lab. If report shows wrong or bunk products we replace all and cover all testing expenses. We have never failed yet. Complains based on feelings are not accepted.

1,5 weeks, i used a whole bottle of their tren a and whole bottle of their test P, after that i was 100% sure that its bunk and switched the labs.

Again i can prove every thing, payment, order, email conversation with my complains etc.

Besides that 1.5 week is not even long enough to estimate anything. What can your body do for 10 days? How many times you visited gym within this period? 3? One time for each muscle group in average. What do you expect after this? You did not even work out enough to get some results and did not let any time for your body. This is not magic. Steroids help recovering faster, only if you work out hard. We do not even know, how intense you work out.

They told me to test it and i told them that its not allowed here in germany to test illegal sunstances and that the lab would "snitch" on me and get me in trouble. So the suggested a lab im switzerland which could test it for me, i emailed them and asked for a price (can prove it) and this was 3-4 weeks ago and i never got a amswer.

The bloodwork was at thag point unnecessary for me because everything was going downwards, libido, strength, muscle hardness, pump etc and i was 100%sure that it has no active substances in it.

After i used 1 bottle tren a and test p i throw the rest away.

we reply to all emails. Check your spam folder please. Price is defined by a lab you use. We are not participating in this process to avoid any possible accusations that we could influence results in some way. Customer contacts a lab and agrees all details with them on his/her own.

I ordered tren a and test P and i have a lot of experience with tren a and e and know when i got good tren. Before i got my order from pharmacom i had legit tren a and test p (not naming any brands because people will accuse me of bashing pharmacom and promoting the others brands). And after i started injecting pharmacom tren and test, the first thing that happened was that i lost that full feeling you have on tren, its like having a pump. After 2-3days my libido also decreased and i got that fluffy chubby look.
After round about 6days i started loosing strength, i lost the insane pumps after 3 days.

This sounds especially ridiculous. fluffy chubby look after 2-3 days, really? Even if you pinned 100 mg of tren and test 2-3 days after the last pin you would have at least 50% of the dosage of each still circulating in your blood, cause both have half-life of 1.5-2 days depending on lots of factors. Even after 6 days you would still have testosterone and trenbolone from your old supplier in your blood (even if ours were bunk, purely hypothetically). It is physically impossible to get "fluffy chubby look" after such a short period considering half-life of both products. Both would be still in your blood stream. No one gets fluffy so quickly even without a cycle given that you continued working out.
However, what I can easily imagine is that your other supplier had something else instead of test or tren, something what could cause pumps and has no ester attached at all (and is cheaper),e.g.methandienone. After its action finished quickly and new (our) products did not kick in fully, you got what you`ve got. I do not believe you are experienced with these products. For me it does not seem so. This is one more reason not to accept any complains based on feelings purely.

 

[Lilarnie]

Hi, I will check the information and write to you a little later.

hi did you find out tmif this difference Between the zero 0 and O ? Can you confirm zeros have a line through? Maybe even Can you confirm what font pcom use for codes?

 

[MisterSuperGod]

hi did you find out tmif this difference Between the zero 0 and O ? Can you confirm zeros have a line through? Maybe even Can you confirm what font pcom use for codes?

Don't hold your breath on a reply from the threads cut and paste bot. Send a message to Frank ( @Pharmacom Labs ) instead.

 

[RThoads]

hi did you find out tmif this difference Between the zero 0 and O ? Can you confirm zeros have a line through? Maybe even Can you confirm what font pcom use for codes?

Don't hold your breath on a reply from the threads cut and paste bot. Send a message to Frank ( @Pharmacom Labs ) instead.

sorry, we got distracted with some of these other things etc.
my appology guys. I will write to Frank again now and see if he may be able to help clarify the code.

 

[PHL Official]

as for the codes I’ve Googled a lot and it seems pcom zeros have a line through them which means the picture is a O. Can you confirm this please?

like this ?

View attachment 136259

2nd symbol is zero

 

[David44]

Completely support RThoads in this. If you don`t feel what you expected to feel, it has nothing to do with reality at all. There are ordering terms which all agree with while placing an order. According to those in case of doubts sample should be tested in an independent lab. If report shows wrong or bunk products we replace all and cover all testing expenses. We have never failed yet. Complains based on feelings are not accepted.

Besides that 1.5 week is not even long enough to estimate anything. What can your body do for 10 days? How many times you visited gym within this period? 3? One time for each muscle group in average. What do you expect after this? You did not even work out enough to get some results and did not let any time for your body. This is not magic. Steroids help recovering faster, only if you work out hard. We do not even know, how intense you work out.


we reply to all emails. Check your spam folder please. Price is defined by a lab you use. We are not participating in this process to avoid any possible accusations that we could influence results in some way. Customer contacts a lab and agrees all details with them on his/her own.

This sounds especially ridiculous. fluffy chubby look after 2-3 days, really? Even if you pinned 100 mg of tren and test 2-3 days after the last pin you would have at least 50% of the dosage of each still circulating in your blood, cause both have half-life of 1.5-2 days depending on lots of factors. Even after 6 days you would still have testosterone and trenbolone from your old supplier in your blood (even if ours were bunk, purely hypothetically). It is physically impossible to get "fluffy chubby look" after such a short period considering half-life of both products. Both would be still in your blood stream. No one gets fluffy so quickly even without a cycle given that you continued working out.
However, what I can easily imagine is that your other supplier had something else instead of test or tren, something what could cause pumps and has no ester attached at all (and is cheaper),e.g.methandienone. After its action finished quickly and new (our) products did not kick in fully, you got what you`ve got. I do not believe you are experienced with these products. For me it does not seem so. This is one more reason not to accept any complains based on feelings purely.

(English is not my nativ language)

Thank you for your answer.
First of all i do not want to "bash" pharmacom or bring the credit down or scare of new customer, pharmacom has legit reputation and many satisfied customers.

And this is my PERSONAL impression/experience with my first order.


I'm upfront and will say it right away that i CAN NOT prove that the tren ace or the testosteron propionate was without active substance. Also after i used a whole vial of each substance (1 vial tren ace and 1 vial test p) i put the rest in the trashcan. So there is no possibility to test it anymore even if i wanted to.
All i can prove is my payment, my order, emails to pharmacom with my complains and a request to a lab in switzerland to test my gear, this lab was suggested by a pharmacom employee after i told him/her that its not possible to test such substances in germany. I never got a answer from that lab in switzerland (yes i checked my spam folder).


Also you are right, since i CAN NOT prove that the vials i got are without active substances its "just" a feels report and yes my complains was and are based on my personal feeling.

Next thing is the way tren kicks and how long it takes.

While i used your vials i was 8 times in the gym in 10 days (5days training 2 days rest 5 days training 2 days rest etc).

Also i doubt it that the brands i used before never put tren into the vials but something else.
Especially that they put injectable dbol into it.

I only can talk for myself and everyone reacts different to the same substances but I feel legit tren acetat after 36-48 hours, and good test p in less than 24-36 hours.

I was several times on legit tren ace and test p for several months and got off of it on the next day and i know how it feels when you not using any pct.
And i know how it feels when you drop all your gear out of nowhere.

I dont know how to say it but i feel tren ace very fast but i also loose all the benefits at the same speed, i get that full veiny look after 2 days, but if i stop injecting it i will loose that full veiny look also after 2 days.

At the end of the day you still will say that its impossible that i got vials without any active substances and i will still believe that i got screwed by you because of my experience with tren before etc.

 

[Mayne]

Are you both not European @Simobbuilder and @Klimmzugernie your tests both had an overdosed product one of which trenbolone

 

[Simobbuilder]

Are you both not European @Simobbuilder and @Klimmzugernie your tests both had an overdosed product one of which trenbolone

I live in France, order made from w2