Proof that SF (and/or) Sciroxx gear is good to go.

[cobra500]

Attached are my blood work results to prove my claims. I hope this works.

And I hope you're ready for the explaination here for Karl at Sciroxx...

i apologize but has no time to give u now the full explanation and the
> mechanism behind it, in a nutshell what the lab results showed is the
> expected result..
>
> check this very important medical article -
> Estrogen suppression in males: metab... [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2000] - PubMed - NCBI
>
>
> if you read it thoroughly you'll see that 1mg of anastrozole had exactly
> the same suppressive effect on estradiol levels as a dosage of 0.5mgin a
> healthy male. this is exactly what was measured in your tests. the
> suppressive effect twhich is necessary in a female breast cancer patient is
> simply different then the one in males as you see and this is from the
> clinical aspect the reason that the dosage of 1mg Anastrozole, same as 25mg
> exemestane in our case - these are parallel products, though the exemestane
> is superior and more advanced by its mechanism)
>if i understand correctly the estradiol suppressive effect of half a tab
>and one tab proved to be the same - these are exactly the results you
>should expect from this product. pls read the article to confirm it

If this is true, then I have no idea why anyone would buy this product from anywhere if it will only effect your E2 levels by .01 for one 25mg tab. Wowm can someone help me understan this or find a product that actual does lower your E2 back to normal levels without having to take 50 of them????

 

[Stretch]

If this is true, then I have no idea why anyone would buy this product from anywhere if it will only effect your E2 levels by .01 for one 25mg tab. Wowm can someone help me understan this or find a product that actual does lower your E2 back to normal levels without having to take 50 of them????

Sounds like we are both going through the same epiphany. How has this never been discussed before, when people talk about these products?

 

[cobra500]

Sounds like we are both going through the same epiphany. How has this never been discussed before, when people talk about these products?

Why in the hell would anyone buy this junk then. There has to be someone else that has taken it and can possible show it lowered their E2 by more than .01.

My second thought is why in the hell would anyone sell this knowing the intended effect is a joke on lowering E2 levels?

My question remains. What can I take to lower my E2 levels to a normal range that ACTUALLY works!?!?

 

[steroidsfax]

Why in the hell would anyone buy this junk then. There has to be someone else that has taken it and can possible show it lowered their E2 by more than .01.

My second thought is why in the hell would anyone sell this knowing the intended effect is a joke on lowering E2 levels?

My question remains. What can I take to lower my E2 levels to a normal range that ACTUALLY works!?!?

you didnt understood well the article bro, take your time and chill out ...you will then understand !
getting lower your oestrogen while using a E2 inhinibitor doest mean that more you raise the dosage / the lower your E2 is gonna be, In male body using 25 or 50 MG is same , as the efficacity of the stuff has reached his top level after one week , and it cant go over (im sorry for my poor english, but its becoming hard to be clear in these kinds of discussions)

 

[thinkanabolic2]

I'm speaking to a friend of mine whose a bit into these things and apparently increased dosage doesn't result in an increased effect. It will just level at a certain part.

What is your cycle looking like right now? Are you taking test? How much? My E2 was at 125 at only 350mg test a week. So if you're taking more and your E2 is at 100, maybe it is helping to lower E2 to some degree. Then again, everyone body is different.

We may have been eager to jump, we will see.

 

[Stretch]

Why in the hell would anyone buy this junk then. There has to be someone else that has taken it and can possible show it lowered their E2 by more than .01.

My second thought is why in the hell would anyone sell this knowing the intended effect is a joke on lowering E2 levels?

My question remains. What can I take to lower my E2 levels to a normal range that ACTUALLY works!?!?

I'm confused now too. I've never heard any of this research before.

 

[smt71]

Why in the hell would anyone buy this junk then. There has to be someone else that has taken it and can possible show it lowered their E2 by more than .01.

My second thought is why in the hell would anyone sell this knowing the intended effect is a joke on lowering E2 levels?

My question remains. What can I take to lower my E2 levels to a normal range that ACTUALLY works!?!?

Cobra,

Can you be a little more specific as to the details of your cycle? In particular did you frontload? How many weeks into your cycle did you have the first blood test? the second? If Test blood serum levels were still rising between the two blood test that might account for the insignificant change in E2. Just a thought.

 

[steroidsfax]

I'm speaking to a friend of mine whose a bit into these things and apparently increased dosage doesn't result in an increased effect. It will just level at a certain part.

What is your cycle looking like right now? Are you taking test? How much? My E2 was at 125 at only 350mg test a week. So if you're taking more and your E2 is at 100, maybe it is helping to lower E2 to some degree. Then again, everyone body is different.

We may have been eager to jump, we will see.

the thing is that his test level is at 1500 and should expect reduce the E2 by 40% by doubling dosage(exemestane) .. Unfortuantely its not working like this ..And the article that stretch posted prove it ..

 

[thinkanabolic2]

Wait, so the doubling of the dosage should result in somewhat of an increased reduction?

Again cobra, if you could detail your cycle as much as possible. Dosage, how long into it everything was, etc.

Like I mentioned before on 350mg Test Prop a week, my E2 was at 125. For taking 25mg Aromasin ED, I'm surprised your E2 is only 25 points lower than mine considering I take no AI or SERM. Again we don't know your dosage, what days/times you took the E2 etc.

I can lay this to rest by hopping on the Aromasin for a week and getting bloodwork done, I already have a reference point E2 with no AI at 3 weeks into taking 350mg, everything should have leveled out and the E2 stopped rising. But I'd rather pocket the 50 dollars if I could, it is worth it for peace of mind and for the future.

 

[cobra500]

I frontloaded 900mg the first week and after that have been doing 500mg of test e weekly. I started 12.5mg on Aromasin from week two. I got my first blood test at the end of week 4.After seeing my blood work I doubled my dosage to 25mg and got more blood work done a week later. The results speak for themselves. I just believe it would have dropped more than .01. It seems weird I'm the only one this has happened to.

Cobra,

Can you be a little more specific as to the details of your cycle? In particular did you frontload? How many weeks into your cycle did you have the first blood test? the second? If Test blood serum levels were still rising between the two blood test that might account for the insignificant change in E2. Just a thought.

 

[cobra500]

I'm speaking about Aromasin in general not just the Sciroxx brand. I'm not a pioneer here, I can't be the first to find this out. Who else has had a blood test before and then doubled their Aromasin and had another to see the results?

you didnt understood well the article bro, take your time and chill out ...you will then understand !
getting lower your oestrogen while using a E2 inhinibitor doest mean that more you raise the dosage / the lower your E2 is gonna be, In male body using 25 or 50 MG is same , as the efficacity of the stuff has reached his top level after one week , and it cant go over (im sorry for my poor english, but its becoming hard to be clear in these kinds of discussions)

 

[WMSuperSport]

any updates?

 

[Dr JIM]

All the AIs reduce E-2 by roughly 50% when using ONE TAB QD

AROMASIN has less of an adverse effect on serum lipids than letro or adex

Letro reduces TOTAL serum estrogen levels considerably more than Adex or Arom....does that matter NIMO

BOTH Adex and Letro levels are reduced when SERM therapy is instituted for PCT, yet SERMs have no effect on Aromasin levels. Does that matter NIMO.

Finally the although the estrogen level does plateau after 4 weeks of use of ANY AI the adverse effects are CUMULATIVE.

Which means the side effects continue to mount over time even though the levels remain constant. Does that matter, you bet it does. It's one reason long term AI therapy is not a viable option for males with low T syndrome. (Joint pains, back aches, muscle soreness etc)

Adex is usually the least expensive since it's generic.

So which one should "I" use?

Well IMO that's a no brainer the cheapest Adex!

Jim

 

[Stretch]

All the AIs reduce E-2 by roughly 50% when using ONE TAB QD

AROMASIN has less of an adverse effect on serum lipids than letro or adex

Letro reduces TOTAL serum estrogen levels considerably more than Adex or Arom....does that matter NIMO

BOTH Adex and Letro levels are reduced when SERM therapy is instituted for PCT, yet SERMs have no effect on Aromasin levels. Does that matter NIMO.

Finally the although the estrogen level does plateau after 4 weeks of use of ANY AI the adverse effects are CUMULATIVE.

Which means the side effects continue to mount over time even though the levels remain constant. Does that matter, you bet it does. It's one reason long term AI therapy is not a viable option for males with low T syndrome. (Joint pains, back aches, muscle soreness etc)

Adex is usually the least expensive since it's generic.

So which one should "I" use?

Well IMO that's a no brainer the cheapest Adex!

Jim

Jim. As someone who certainly would not back SF without cause your opinion in this matter is invaluable.

I still haven't gotten a clear answer.

Did you see the bloodwork posted after the member doubled is aromasin dose from 12.5 to 25mg/ed? His E2 stayed constant. Is this the expected result?

Apologies if you answered this already and I missed it, or was too dense to understand.

 

[cobra500]

Thank you for the response and insite.

All the AIs reduce E-2 by roughly 50% when using ONE TAB QD

AROMASIN has less of an adverse effect on serum lipids than letro or adex

Letro reduces TOTAL serum estrogen levels considerably more than Adex or Arom....does that matter NIMO

BOTH Adex and Letro levels are reduced when SERM therapy is instituted for PCT, yet SERMs have no effect on Aromasin levels. Does that matter NIMO.

Finally the although the estrogen level does plateau after 4 weeks of use of ANY AI the adverse effects are CUMULATIVE.

Which means the side effects continue to mount over time even though the levels remain constant. Does that matter, you bet it does. It's one reason long term AI therapy is not a viable option for males with low T syndrome. (Joint pains, back aches, muscle soreness etc)

Adex is usually the least expensive since it's generic.

So which one should "I" use?

Well IMO that's a no brainer the cheapest Adex!

Jim

 

[SwoleNinja]

So has anyone else got blood work done? I had some done back in April and was over 4000 serum as well at just 400mg weekly. I didn't think much of it at the time since I had read about another guy running the same dose through his Dr which put him over 4000 as well. Seems most of you guys are saying this should not happen and means the gear is od. For some this wouldn't matter but I'd prefer to stay at 500mg or under per cycle. I'm afraid now if I run 500 next cycle with properly dosed gear I won't notice much.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

So has anyone else got blood work done? I had some done back in April and was over 4000 serum as well at just 400mg weekly. I didn't think much of it at the time since I had read about another guy running the same dose through his Dr which put him over 4000 as well. Seems most of you guys are saying this should not happen and means the gear is od. For some this wouldn't matter but I'd prefer to stay at 500mg or under per cycle. I'm afraid now if I run 500 next cycle with properly dosed gear I won't notice much.

I got pre-bloods done but I'm only 5 days in.. I plan on getting blood work done again at the 6 week mark.

 

[DTdr2]

I got pre-bloods done but I'm only 5 days in.. I plan on getting blood work done again at the 6 week mark.

johnnyBALLZ you still planning on getting bloods? I'd like to see what your levels are. I ordered some Aromasin and ended up selling it due to a shipping issue w/SF. Do not have any blood work, but the person I sold it to was up to 1 tab and still experiencing mjr sides. Gave him some of the liquid Aromasin I'm taking and his sides subsided. Really got my doubts now. If a company is going to short product, at what point do they stop.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

johnnyBALLZ you still planning on getting bloods? I'd like to see what your levels are. I ordered some Aromasin and ended up selling it due to a shipping issue w/SF. Do not have any blood work, but the person I sold it to was up to 1 tab and still experiencing mjr sides. Gave him some of the liquid Aromasin I'm taking and his sides subsided. Really got my doubts now. If a company is going to short product, at what point do they stop.

Got labs done 2 weeks ago. I was in the middle of week 5 on Sciroxx 500mg/week test e. Test seems a little low at 1461. The week leading up to the blood test I was taking aromasin 12.5mg ED because of gyno from dbol. Seems like aromasin worked since E2 was at 25.5. Sorry for not posting sooner..

 

[pittbox]

Got labs done 2 weeks ago. I was in the middle of week 5 on Sciroxx 500mg/week test e. Test seems a little low at 1461. The week leading up to the blood test I was taking aromasin 12.5mg ED because of gyno from dbol. Seems like aromasin worked since E2 was at 25.5. Sorry for not posting sooner..

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I would be a little upset at 1400 ng, dl while running 500 mg ew of test e.
Should be between 3000-4000 i would think.