I have always been pretty happy with quality and service from ppl. However I recently ran DHB cycle which was hombrewed from their Raws and I was having estrogen related sides while running very minimal testosterone.So I decided to labmax testing for test cyp( assuming Raws we’re test cyp instead of 1test cyp) and color matched color for test cyp. I’m not claiming they sent me wrong Raws or tried to rip me off. Maybe labmax was incorrect or read it wrong. I’m also suspicious cause 1 test cyp from other sources was extremely hard to get to hold in solution and had quite a bit of Pip. Ppl raw was very easy to dissolve and hold into solution even at 200 mg/ ml with almost no pip. Not trying to infer any foul play just looking for feedback from other on there DHB experience from ppl. Like I said ppl has always owned up and fixed any issues I may have had and I’ve never had any suspicions about any other products. Like I said just looking for other experiences.
Labmax can be faulty, often. I've had ups and downs with it. Send it out for real analytical testing. It's pretty sweet we have that as an option
DHB hasn't been tested with Labmax
LabMax test kits, anabolic steroids test kit.
So DHB might (or might not) give similar results to Test Cyp. So far we don't know because it hasn't been thoroughly tested.
BTW, Panda sells both DHB-cypionate and DHB-no ester, which one do you have
@gpg9991 ?
The former has much better solubility than the latter, and their Labmax results may differ as well.
Besides HPLC testing (read below), you can do melting point tests.
Test cyp melts at 98 - 104 C
https://www.spectrumchemical.com/OA_HTML/chemical-products_Testosterone-Cypionate-CIII-Powder-USP_TE118.jsp?minisite=10020&respid=22372
While DHB-no ester seems to melt at 78-85 C
https://www.chemsrc.com/en/cas/65-06-5_329892.html
As for DHB-cyp, I still have to find a reputable info source from a true lab grade chemicals supplier for its m.p. In fact I still have to find its proper CAS number. I'll dig for it whenever I have more time.
You can always send a sample to W&M. I give credit for testing. Chemical regent tests are not reliable
Just don't send it to Janoshik.
While W&M looks legit so far, we can't be 100% sure.
My international warehouse has multiple measures I’ve put in place to prevent sending incorrect raws. If I took everyone at their word that they received incorrect raws I’d be the first non profit anabolic company
You can test every single batch you receive at Simec or Lab4tox. At least for the ones they test for, they don't test for every steroid and ester known.
1 Get a powder mixer for your typical batch size. Probably about 10 Kg at a time
This is to make sure raws are properly mixed, and the best ones aren't poured at the top of the bag/drum, while the worst ones sit at the bottom.
(Make sure you throughly clean the mixer to avoid cross contamination from different steroids, this is important)
2 Get a remailer in Europe as Simec/Lab4tox only accept EU customers. Offer them some $50-100 per remailing.
3 Get gear tested.
It ain't that expensive:
1 gram raws < $5
Shipping from China to EU remailer < $75
Remailer fee < $100
Shipping from remailer to Simec/Lab4tox < $75
Simec/Lab4tox fee < $200, varies with the Euro exchange rate
Total < $455. If you spend that every 10 Kg, it's a mere < 5 cents per gram. Totally worth it.
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Enjoy becoming the new "Pharmacom of raws", just make sure you get a money back guarantee from raws wholesalers, in case HPLC indicates raws are impure.
Fuck off and get back to your fucking thread.
