Not trying to be anal, but that would be a "Nocebo effect"hopefully I didn't jinx you or cause a placebo effect
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SpicyMeatball
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There isn’t evidence because the studies haven’t been completed, not because there isn’t benefit to be had from higher doses.
Just as there isn’t evidence you can provide that a cagri-tirz stack is effective, but it is.
There is evidence that cagri suppresses appetite more than Semaglutide. There is also evidence that Semaglutide is a stronger appetite suppresant than Tirzepatide.Not willing to drag that further.
As for the 30mg Tirz, it is neither my money nor is it my body. The choice is ultimately hers.
SpicyMeatball
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Neither of those addresses the point I made. You’re just making stuff up based on your feelers and couching it in the language of science.
There is zero reason not to believe that some people would require a larger dose than you for the same result.
Docsunshine23
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Anyone been using the 24iu HGH kits?
you just want to argue. There are phase 3 study reports on Sema vs Cagri.
There are published studies on Sema and on Tirz.
If you are bored, pick up journals, don't start needless/pointless argument.
You are on a harm reduction forum saying 30mg of tirz is okay, because we don't know for sure? Ever heard about 'erring' on the side of caution?
Summary:
1) 30mg of Tirz is not the best (to put it mildly)
2) Sister's 2mg Sema is probably what is suppressing appetite as sema has very potent GLP-1R effect (stomach emptying and peristalsis)
3) Cagri is a better appetite suppresser than Semaglutide. (different pathway to slowing stomach emptying).
4) I suggested moving to cagri if the issue was appetite. Cagri still needs to be paired with something to improve A1c as it does poorly with that. So Stack with Sema (demonstrated results) or Stack with tirz (anecdotal results)
5) I will leave you to your beliefs.
Now back to normal programming. I honestly didn't want to respond. It's the silly statement that "I was making up stuff" that got to me
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What's your email? The one I have always used it's not working anymore.
When are you gonna update your HGH test? Those are 2023 old (10IU especially).
Do you pay for lab test done independently from your customers (sent to Jano anonymously)?
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Justaguy99
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More will power to inject then stop eating or go to gym.
On a fat lazy moron would claim that.
You are a fool.
Docsunshine23
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Curious about this as well. The 36iu are recent.
If u will dig around there are plenty of recent test .. qsc had a thread in the hplc forum.
trtbuilder
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Nah you're busy being a low IQ broke bitch while Ghoul and I look hot as shit and have big brains. Sorry bro.
egruberman
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I was just listening to the Mike Israetel podcast with Chris Williamson in which this topic was discussed. Dr. Mike had an interesting point about the haters saying that a shot was replacing the strength of will. His suggestion was that if this was true, then have the shot and spend that strength of will doing something good for the world as there is no shortage of problems to be tackled.
LGOP528
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That is a really good point. Why spend that bandwidth on convincing yourself to stay in a deficit.
egruberman
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I think a lot of the backlash comes from folks that are accustomed to doing prep and becoming stage ready which takes a great deal of commitment and discipline, which is entirely laudable. However, for everyone else, the precision required to arrive stage-ready on a specific date is just unnecessary.
I could count calories and track all my macros, but that's a great deal of hassle when I could simply titrate my appetite to meet my goals. For diet, all I need to really focus on is hitting my protein number and eating relatively clean, which isn't really hard for me as that's how I eat anyway.
However, I'm not the average American that can really benefit from these drugs. If taking a shot makes them marginally healthier and less prone to metabolic disease, that's huge. I also speculate that seeing any progress toward being leaner and fitter will likely catalyze other positive lifestyle changes.
egruberman
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Did you check the testing thread?
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Ghoul
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Why? Because those like the guy quoted below, who apparently developed this extraordinary "strength of will" in infancy, exerted this power that separates them from the "weak willed" they despise from the day they were born.
Don't you dare suggest there could be biological differences not appreciated by the people who've never struggled with a potent appetite. Appetite is a matter of morality, not a base biological function that can become dysregulated, or simply one that functioned very well at keeping humans alive for thousands of years but unsuitable in an environment of easy access to unlimited, hyper calorie dense food.
Overflowing with so much virtue and self control, they even occasionally overdo it and become "thin", obviously not used in any positive sense here.
However they developed this superior power of self control they pride themselves on having, long stretches of meditation, living alone in the desert for years at a time, the credit is entirely theirs to take.
Even with periods of effortlessly dropping too much weight and becoming "thin", it's definitely not because they have a weak appetite.
Everyone's appetite is the same as his, he just has a stronger will than the filthy "cheaters" who use an injectable hormone to reduce theirs in pursuit of losing weight.
And if you can't drop the pounds without meddling with the system that regulates calorie intake, making it easier to consciously choose what and how much to eat, you need to stay in your place, and remain fat, so that no one will ever confuse a weakling like you with a superior human like him.
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phenominal34
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Please show me where evidence is that Cagri suppresses appetite more than semi? I’m on Cagri now and not feeling much gradually increasing weekly. Up to 2mgs a week and not much suppression if any !!
People’s metabolism is unique. For me , I get about the same suppression from 2.5 mg of QSC tirz than from pharma 1mg zempic , for which I have an RX.
I also have Qsc sema on hand and I feel that pharma sema is much more effective. In both glucose control and appetite suppression. I’ve rotated between pharma and Qsc sema to save up some of my branded pens and the weeks I use pharma I can notice much more suppression
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