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i thought you know everything already but maybe this is new for you:
- raising igf isnt the only vauable attribute of hgh for a bodybuilder.

And trust me, a caloric restricted diet low in carbs is enough to completely wreck igf values.
Add in tren and/or a bootload of orals (stressed liver) and no amount of hgh will put you out of range.
This doesnt mean hgh is worthless.
Well obviously more than you and yes obviously moron how much gh and IGF was Arnold using ? Or any bodybuilder in the 70s
Stop talking
15iu of gh + good liver or not should still have high IGF readings
And if it doesn’t …..then once again I stand by what I say and he should stop wasting money on gh because the whole point of it is that IGF or he may as well save money and use peptides
Why can’t you understand this ??
In your world taking 15iu with a normal IGF level is completely fine
And in mine it’s a complete waste of money
 
Well obviously more than you and yes obviously moron how much gh and IGF was Arnold using ? Or any bodybuilder in the 70s
Stop talking
15iu of gh + good liver or not should still have high IGF readings
And if it doesn’t …..then once again I stand by what I say and he should stop wasting money on gh because the whole point of it is that IGF or he may as well save money and use peptides
Why can’t you understand this ??
In your world taking 15iu with a normal IGF level is completely fine
And in mine it’s a complete waste of money
The thing with igf and hgh. If someone is a strong deficit they can have suboptimal igf levels even with hgh injections.


This is a post from an actual competitor

Post in thread 'HGH - Domestic USA' MESO-Rx Sponsor - HGH - Domestic USA
 
I also did a comparison on here with 7 IU qsc hgh on a cut and around 5 iu qsc hgh on a bulk. Both similar igf
 
The thing with igf and hgh. If someone is a strong deficit they can have suboptimal igf levels even with hgh injections.


This is a post from an actual competitor

Post in thread 'HGH - Domestic USA' MESO-Rx Sponsor - HGH - Domestic USA
Exactly bro his alt is high(stressed liver) and yields high IGF

His baseline is 200 and I presume his liver is fine then

Plus the guy are speaking of didn’t have high glucose and liver fine which I think is suspect on 15iu a day , I think IGF should of been higher

We could find by convincing OP to take pharma gh to see and compare
This is exactly what happened to me
 
Exactly bro his alt is high(stressed liver) and yields high IGF

His baseline is 200 and I presume his liver is fine then

Plus the guy are speaking of didn’t have high glucose and liver fine which I think is suspect on 15iu a day , I think IGF should of been higher

We could find by convincing OP to take pharma gh to see and compare
This is exactly what happened to me
LFTs can also be elevated by training. I would hardly call 51 stressed.

In a deficit the glucose can be very well controlled.

The guy we are even talking about is banned and probably permanently banned.
He brings nothing to this forum but nonsense and will get into an early grave.
 
LFTs can also be elevated by training. I would hardly call 51 stressed.

In a deficit the glucose can be very well controlled.

The guy we are even talking about is banned and probably permanently banned.
He brings nothing to this forum but nonsense and will get into an early grave.
Hel definetly get into an early grave pinning 15iu gh daily lol, I don’t even know how he managed to get to the place to take blood, I would of fallen asleep on the couch
 
Well obviously more than you and yes obviously moron how much gh and IGF was Arnold using ? Or any bodybuilder in the 70s
Stop talking
15iu of gh + good liver or not should still have high IGF readings
And if it doesn’t …..then once again I stand by what I say and he should stop wasting money on gh because the whole point of it is that IGF or he may as well save money and use peptides
Why can’t you understand this ??
In your world taking 15iu with a normal IGF level is completely fine
And in mine it’s a complete waste of money
no, that's what i just said.
Raising IGF-1 is one part of HGH usage. It has other (for bodybuilders) beneficial purposes.
and to your other post where @Cridi887 mentioned the competitor:
are you really saying 51 ALT is "high"?
ALT is not even liver specific, this value is probably still raised due to working out 2-3 days prior since ALT is an enzyme also found in muscle tissue.

But i guess discussing in an adult fashion is not your thing, not sure why you have to insult everyone contradicting your thoughts.
I have my opinion, you have yours. We can leave it like this, have a nice easter and good luck
 
no, that's what i just said.
Raising IGF-1 is one part of HGH usage. It has other (for bodybuilders) beneficial purposes.
and to your other post where @Cridi887 mentioned the competitor:
are you really saying 51 ALT is "high"?
ALT is not even liver specific, this value is probably still raised due to working out 2-3 days prior since ALT is an enzyme also found in muscle tissue.

But i guess discussing in an adult fashion is not your thing, not sure why you have to insult everyone contradicting your thoughts.
I have my opinion, you have yours. We can leave it like this, have a nice easter and good luck
Your dissecting what I said and picking only what you want and trying to win like it’s a popularity contest and yes I think your wrong

Im annoyed too because I actually listened to people like you and believed it a long time ago , I tried all the generics some where better than others , some were completely bunk i almost convinced myself I was like OP BUT then I got gh direct from pharmacy and tested and what do you know ? To my suprise my IGF nearly doubled , this is my opinion:
If your doing 15iu then get a blood test and your IGF is normal ITS UNDERDOSED

Humour me : post this question on blood sweat and gear podcast or vigorous Steve etc
“If your pinning 15iu gh and your IGF comes back at average levels, is my gh bunk ?”

Do it just to see what they think ?
And happy Easter to u too bro
 
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Your dissecting what I said and picking only what you want and trying to win like it’s a popularity contest and yes I think your wrong

Im annoyed too because I actually listened to people like you and believed it a long time ago , I tried all the generics some where better than others , some were completely bunk i almost convinced myself I was like OP BUT then I got gh direct from pharmacy and tested and what do you know ? To my suprise my IGF nearly doubled , this is my opinion:
If your doing 15iu then get a blood test and your IGF is normal ITS UNDERDOSED

Humour me : post this question on blood sweat and gear podcast or vigorous Steve etc
“If your pinning 15iu gh and your IGF comes back at average levels, is my gh bunk ?”

Do it just to see what they think ?
And happy Easter to u too bro

i also have my experience with most generics and i also have my experience with most pharma.
In the end, i prefer pharma when only considering effect/side effect profile since in my opinion, Humatrope and jintropin (my 2 most preferred pharma) give me awesome fullness with only minor water retention.
from an IGF standpoint, I did not experience big differences between pharma and generics WHEN ALL OTHER VARIABLES STAYED THE SAME.
This is important, because as soon as you change your "supplementation" or your nutrition etc. you should be prepared to have differences.
 
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