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[Ghoul]

Does it look like this ?

That's definitely wrong. It should be crystal clear. I remember looking into this before, if the Bac PH isn't between 4.5-7 you can get gelling/incomplete dissolution. The one ingredient that pharma pens of reconstituted peptides have besides water and alcohol like Bac is a PH buffer to ensure the water is in that range for proper solubility.

Once I found a problem free brand of Bac I stuck with it. It is usually recoverable if you add more water from a Bac that has proper PH.

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

That's definitely wrong. It should be crystal clear. I remember looking into this before, if the Bac PH isn't between 4.5-7 you can get gelling/incomplete dissolution. The one ingredient that pharma pens of reconstituted peptides have besides water and alcohol like Bac is a PH buffer to ensure the water is in that range for proper solubility.

Once I found a problem free brand of Bac I stuck with it. It is usually recoverable if you add more water from a Bac that has proper PH.

I used the exact same bac water with BPC157 seconds after and it mixed crystal clear.

 

[Ghoul]

I used the exact same bac water with BPC157 seconds after and it mixed crystal clear.

TLDR every peptide has an ideal PH for reconstitution. A neutral PH of 5.7, or at least 4.5-7, is recommended to ensure the widest compatibility for completely dissolving it into solution.

So a Bac with a PH outside that range may be fine for some peptides, while resulting in incomplete dissolution for others.

(sorry dunno why this isn't being turned into a clickable link)

https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/US/en/technical-documents/technical-article/research-and-disease-areas/cell-and-developmental-biology-research/solubility-guidelines

 

[AlexDavis43]

It’s 100% a reflection of character, see some of the members above who have good character that are willing to accept other things of lesser value.

Has anyone requested a reship? Would they post here if they did?

 

[ShaneHH]

Does it look like this ?

 

[ShaneHH]

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I bought the bac water also from this source. Which I’ve used many times before with no issue, but this was from a new batch. I’ll try to reconstitute another vial with different bac and follow up with results. Kinda sucks, 48 IU of GH in the trash

 

[AlexDavis43]

Guys, OPSEC. We don't need to know the minute you ordered. General T/A is fine.

Keep TD pics to a bare minimum. What do they accomplish anyway? [rhetorical]

 

[Ghoul]

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I can't imagine that being anything other than bad Bac. That sucks man. If you get another vial to dissolve with a different Bac I'd take this up with Tracy.

It must be the temptingly huge profit margin on "purified water+alcohol" leading to sloppy practices from some unqualified places thinking they can handle such an easy product. Half the Bac on Amazon seems to be causing pip issues, some really bad with swelling, from way too much alcohol lately.

Too bad you need a damn prescription to buy pharma Bac in the US.

 

[AlexDavis43]

There are literally dozens of these same articles.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2013/04/01/illinois-man-charged-pennsylvania-illegally-distributing-peptides

"falsely representing on the websites that he was selling these substances "for research use only . . . not for human consumption."


Just because peptide sciences hasn't been busted doesn't mean what they are doing is legal.

interesting. At least there’s no point to starting a peptide company anymore. China owns the game

Also lost XCE.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Too bad you need a damn prescription to buy pharma Bac in the US.

I didn't even know that existed. You can get Hospira BAC in US.

 

[Ghoul]

I didn't even know that existed. You can get Hospira BAC in US.

I wish I could find it without this:



I have a stash of Vaxxen from Amazon that's been fine with everything I've tried, but it's
been unavailable for a long time now. Hoping not to have to take a crapshoot with another random brand.

 

[jdubzzz44]

I wish I could find it without this:

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I have a stash of Vaxxen from Amazon that's been fine with everything I've tried, but it's
been unavailable for a long time now. Hoping not to have to take a crapshoot with another random brand.

Never had an issue getting bac water try gpz med lab

 

[Ghoul]

Never had an issue getting bac water try gpz med lab

Beautiful, thanks a million!



It would not surprise me one bit if half the "BAC Water" out there is tap water with a drop of rubbing alcohol.

 

[phenominal34]

Has anyone requested a reship? Would they post here if they did?

I’m not sure if they’ve actually requested and it’s documented here but just by reading the thread there’s def plenty wanting the reship. Qsc said he will be handling it 15th-30th I think.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Never had an issue getting bac water try gpz med lab

Beautiful, thanks a million!

Can also get Hospira here.

 

[Pinnacle Elements]

Can also get Hospira here.

This is the way.

 

[Ghoul]

This is the way.

Besides the (low) risk of infection with tap water, the slightest presence of chlorine, common in tap water, will destroy a good portion of the peptides. May explain some of the poor results people get from the same batches of peptides that test good at Jano.

 

[Laxbro88]

Beautiful, thanks a million!

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It would not surprise me one bit if half the "BAC Water" out there is tap water with a drop of rubbing alcohol.

It is incredibly easy to make, distilled water/ .22 micron syringe filter add in 0.9% Benzyl alcohol and your good. I make like 500mL at a time takes 10 minutes

 

[Ghoul]

It is incredibly easy to make, distilled water/ .22 micron syringe filter add in 0.9% Benzyl alcohol and your good. I make like 500mL at a time takes 10 minutes

Thanks for that. One difference I found was that BAC water is (supposed to be) non-pyrogenic while distilled water is pyrogenic. Not knowing wtf that meant, lol, it looks like distilled water has no living organisms within the water, but doesn't eliminate their byproducts which can still be harmful.

Likely not a major risk (given the unknowns of all the other crap we inject), but if I can control that one risk factor with some legit, Pfizer manufactured non-pyrogenic BAC I may as well go that route and let something other than a stray bacteria turd finish me off.

"Water for injection is basically sterile, nonpyrgenic and with absence of particles. Sterile distilled water may contain pyrogens and other nonviable particles that may be harmful while administration i.v."

https://www.researchgate.net/post/what_is_the_difference_between_using_sterile_distilled_water_and_water_for_injection_WFI_in_drug_industry

 

[Strugjtoyr]

Hello everyone,

I am somehow in a terrible situation, and I need your honest and wise advices regarding the issue.

As you know, I initiated several Group buys, tested first, then I covered the testing costs of volunteers.

For these Group Buys, I announced a +99% purity guarantee.

The first one was Tirzepatide 10mg, here is my test:

Janoshik Analytical

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The second one was BPC157 10mg, and here is my test:

Janoshik Analytical

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Now, the testing on both came back, sent by volunteers, 8 vials tested:

Janoshik Analytical

Janoshik Analytical

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So the BPC157 10mg tests confirmed the results, but the tirz 10mg shows a significant degradation.

When I spoke with Janoshik about the results, he is 70% sure it's just tirzepatide 10mg degraded. Which makes me in a terrible situation between:

Refunding/Reshipping new batch of the Group buy tirz 10mg orders, accepting the loss, but this will imply that either I will have to cancel all the future ones, because it's clearly a gambling game, especially that we have plenty coming and many customers like you are expecting to take advantage of these deals.

Or lowering the standards, assuming that the +99% is something hard to guarantee, since there is no control on the parameters, nor storage conditions, how far and how low can we get down? 97% ? 95% ? lower? and I am sure with the coming summer and heat, won't make things better.. a real paradox..

Or making it simply a group call, the same way it was a group buy, maybe via a poll, making everyone decide weither to decide if they want us to honor the guarantee, compensate them over a batch that tested lower than the guarantee, and stopping the business model, because it's simply not sustainable, nor profitable this way, or accepting the results, lowering the standards, reviewing the community standards, that are clearly to be questionned. Testing from different suppliers shows that the line between the 99% and 98%, even in the same batchs is very thin.

I don't know how to deal with it to be honest..

Just another example making promises you don’t back. Karma is a bitch little boy. Petty over $65 got you bit on GB guarantee 99%.