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When pharma peptides like HGH are provided with Water for Injection, the instructions say to use within 24 hours of reconstitution because there's no preservative to keep the peptide protein from degrading.

When they're provided with Bacteriostatic water, the instructions say to be used within 30 days because the alcohol preserves the peptide for much longer.
I don't think the BA is there to keep the peptide from degrading man. It's there to keep cooties from growing in the water.
 
I don't think the BA is there to keep the peptide from degrading man. It's there to keep cooties from growing in the water.

I didn't go too deep into the details, but
I'll expand since you mentioned it.

You're not wrong, in the sense the alcohol is there to prevent bacterial growth.

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Any bacteria that develop would present a potential health hazard, but even if they don't, they'll produce enzymes to break down the peptide proteins and feed on them.

So it's both, to maintain sterility, and prevent degradation of the peptide.

Consider this. A single use GLP med pharma pen is made with Bac water, not water for injection, even though it's produced in a sterile environment, and not subject to multiple piercings like a multi use vial. That's an acknowledgment that the possibility of bacteria growth remains, no matter how sterile the conditions of production. These meds have a 2 year expiration date after reconstitution refridgerated, and 30 days at room temperature, which is a testament to how effective Bac is (there are no other preservatives in the pen).

If you added a sufficient quantity of alcohol to milk, like an Irish Cream, it'll keep the milk from spoiling for years, so that's a clearer case of how it's a "preservative" by preventing dangerous bacteria from growing but also the harmless bacteria that would break down the proteins turning the milk to cheese.
 
I don't think the BA is there to keep the peptide from degrading man. It's there to keep cooties from growing in the water.

That’s correct

Why you all use bacwater

I use water for injection for years up to 2/3 months and never had a problem

Unless it’s 1ml 1-use sterile water, that is asking for an infection. Water based & sub-q has a much greater chance of causing infection.
 
Hello, @Qingdao Sigma Chemicals , I ordered US Domestic on Tuesday (same email as username). Does tracking usually get sent out? The Price list says 3-5 days for US Domestic but I understand that's after the product ships. Sorry, I'm sure this is answered somewhere but this thread is huge. Thanks!
 
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Hello, @Qingdao Sigma Chemicals , I ordered US Domestic on Tuesday (same email as username). Does tracking usually get sent out? The Price list says 3-5 days for US Domestic but I understand that's after the product ships. Sorry, I'm sure this is answered somewhere but this thread is huge. Thanks!
I know I’m not QSC, I placed an order and received it like 2-3 days after (depends where you are in the country I’m sure) and I didn’t receive or ask for a tracking number. Keep an eye on USPS informed delivery. I bet it’ll show up on its way within a day or two.
 
They used to make orals but the QA was apparently too difficult.

That’s why I’m mind blown anyone would use China orals without variance testing them first

Or any UGL, when India pharma is so cheap.

Look into tablet manufacturing some time. It requires careful selection of excipients because different active ingredients "clump" with certain excipients (they call it the "hazelnut effect" when you get a random ball of concentrated active ingredient in a random tablet), and then each ingredient has to be ground to a specific particle size for that specific formula, and after all that, a 15% variation from table to tablet is considered acceptable.

Just dumping the active ingredient with some random excipients and mixing may give you 98% of the pills being close enough to the advertised potency, but there will likely be a few duds, and some extra "hot" tabs in there. A real problem depending on what the drug it is.
 
Or any UGL, when India pharma is so cheap.

Look into tablet manufacturing some time. It requires careful selection of excipients because different active ingredients "clump" with certain excipients (they call it the "hazelnut effect" when you get a random ball of concentrated active ingredient in a random tablet), and then each ingredient has to be ground to a specific particle size for that specific formula, and after all that, a 15% variation from table to tablet is considered acceptable.

Just dumping the active ingredient with some random excipients and mixing may give you 98% of the pills being close enough to the advertised potency, but there will likely be a few duds, and some extra "hot" tabs in there. A real problem depending on what the drug it is.
That’s why UGL clen is a nope for me.
 
Or any UGL, when India pharma is so cheap.

Look into tablet manufacturing some time. It requires careful selection of excipients because different active ingredients "clump" with certain excipients (they call it the "hazelnut effect" when you get a random ball of concentrated active ingredient in a random tablet), and then each ingredient has to be ground to a specific particle size for that specific formula, and after all that, a 15% variation from table to tablet is considered acceptable.

Just dumping the active ingredient with some random excipients and mixing may give you 98% of the pills being close enough to the advertised potency, but there will likely be a few duds, and some extra "hot" tabs in there. A real problem depending on what the drug it is.
Yeah I know a dude who has a private lab. Has a pill press but orders caber, clen, etc from India to resell.

His reasoning was sound. If he messes up a batch, there goes $500-$1000 in raws and a bunch of poorly distributed pills that can’t sell.
 
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