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Liter O' Test
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What is the sourced information of this borther? And how we fix?
MuayThayson
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That’s until Tren kicks you in the nuts.
Ghoul
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Let me preface this by saying this is on the leading edge of research, and far from established with concrete evidence yet, though there's enough smoke here, for me to believe the easy and cheap precautions to avoid the risk entirely to one's long term health is sensible. And from a common sense perspective, I never believed injecting foreign particles deep into your body could be without consequence. Unlike digestion which evolved
to protect us from eating all kinds of crap, injection is not something we have well developed defenses for.
The TLDR version; It's already been established that joint injections containing stopper particles can induce septic arthritis, so best practice medicine already takes steps to prevent this.
When these particles are introduced into the body there's an immune reaction, and they're surrounded by a specifically shaped inflammatory inducing immune cells. Most of the time there are no detectable symptoms. Sometimes local inflammation (how often do we hear this with gear?), sometimes a fever, until the stopper particle is encapsulated and no longer causes a reaction.
The theory that's emerging is that these cells can break away and travel through the blood stream, the same stream carrying gear throughout your body, accumulating in joints, eventually inducing septic arthritis.
Regardless of needle gauge, some amount of stopper is getting into the syringe. Are a few non-joint injections going to cause a problem, unlikely, but multiply that thousands and how likely does it become then?
Perhaps it turns out to be a false alarm, and these particles accumulating in your body are harmless, but personally I doubt it, and completely avoiding it is simple and cheap enough I'll be putting an end to it immediately as risk mitigation.
Just one of a few articles touching on the topic. I didn't even know about "septic arthritis" until I started looking into stopper particle hazards.
Avoiding unconscious injection of vial-derived rubber particles during intra-articular drug administration
Vial coring describes the occurrence of small rubber particles, which are formed by needles when perforating vial stoppers. These particles may be aspirated along with the drug. Unconscious injection of rubber particles may increase the risks associated ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Ghoul
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The fix I've chosen is a vial spike that filters the fluid drawn into the syringe down to 5um.
As a bonus, it vents the vial, allowing air in so a vacuum isn't created as you draw the liquid which makes drawing more difficult and sucks contaminants into the vial if the stopper seal isn't perfect. It filters the air down to 1um so better than injecting air like I normally did.
Finally, since you connect the syringe to the vial before attaching the needle, drawing is very fast, and the needle isn't blunted, nor do you have to draw with a large gauge and switch to a smaller needle for injection as many do.
Because of the air valve, you push the syringe while it's still in the vial to eliminate bubbles. which reduces waste as well.
So even if it didn't protect your long term health, it's really a convenient upgrade.
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Bumpygooch
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I see the primo GB announced and channel created at the discord, but, nothing mentioned here. @Qingdao Sigma Chemicals
Rippidy Dippidy
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I feel like you just comment on here because you love conflict. Either that or you’re trying to get a high score or something on your reaction count. Take a day off …
Qingdao Sigma Chemicals
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Details not mentionned there neither, just channel created.
Monday 10th June, primo 200mg/ml GB, get your wallets ready.
Liter O' Test
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so basically you just stick one of these filter adapters on and youre good to go? and you just leave it on there and disinefect it as you would the top of the vial?
these seem to be already widely available, thanks for sharing. i will definitely be adding these
Ghoul
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The ones widely available aren't all vented to making drawing easier, and only a
couple are filtered, FYI.
Still a good idea without vent or filtration to eliminate stopper "coring" and eliminate need to use larger needles for drawing, but the added filtration will stop any floaters (even invisible ones) already in the vial, along with whatever might break off from the spike being inserted.
"5-micron filters remove also remove silt, some types of mold, certain types of bacteria and cysts, and even more dirt, sediment, and asbestos."
That sounds good to me just in case the brewing apparatus has a problem the day my vial is made, I mean, I'd use this in pharma vials, since there have been numerous recalls of them for these kinds of contaminants.
Sagent Pharmaceuticals Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Docetaxel Injection, USP Due to Potential Presence of Particulate Matter
Sagent Pharmaceuticals today announced the voluntary nationwide recall of two lots of Docetaxel Injection, USP (80 mg per 8 mL multi-dose vials and 160 mg per 16 mL multi-dose vials). The product was distributed by Sagent Pharmaceuticals. Sagent has initiated this voluntary recall of Docetaxel Injec
Ketorolac Tromethamine Injection Recalled Due to Presence of Particulates
Hikma Pharmaceuticals USA announced that the voluntary recall of Ketorolac Tromethamine Injection 30mg/mL vials has been extended to include additional lots.
www.empr.com
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Wallet is ready, how much you thinking so we can start loading up crypto
Qingdao Sigma Chemicals
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as I always say, pay the rent and keep some for the groceries, and the rest for me
What is the pricepoint on these?? I refilter my gear into 20ml vials and use vial spikes.The ones widely available aren't all vented to making drawing easier, and only a
couple are filtered, FYI.
Still a good idea without vent or filtration to eliminate stopper "coring" and eliminate need to use larger needles for drawing, but the added filtration will stop any floaters (even invisible ones) already in the vial, along with whatever might break off from the spike being inserted.
"5-micron filters remove also remove silt, some types of mold, certain types of bacteria and cysts, and even more dirt, sediment, and asbestos."
That sounds good to me just in case the brewing apparatus has a problem the day my vial is made, I mean, I'd use this in pharma vials, since there have been numerous recalls of them for these kinds of contaminants.
Sagent Pharmaceuticals Issues Voluntary Nationwide Recall of Docetaxel Injection, USP Due to Potential Presence of Particulate Matter
Sagent Pharmaceuticals today announced the voluntary nationwide recall of two lots of Docetaxel Injection, USP (80 mg per 8 mL multi-dose vials and 160 mg per 16 mL multi-dose vials). The product was distributed by Sagent Pharmaceuticals. Sagent has initiated this voluntary recall of Docetaxel Injecwww.fda.gov
Ketorolac Tromethamine Injection Recalled Due to Presence of Particulates
Hikma Pharmaceuticals USA announced that the voluntary recall of Ketorolac Tromethamine Injection 30mg/mL vials has been extended to include additional lots.
Fatguybigcoat1
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Damn my wallet is gonna be empty after all these deals
Ghoul
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Just under $5
Goddamn, you guys are fancy af. Am I the only ghetto mofo around here lol.
It's called ghetto fabulous!
Ghoul
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"The most worrying discovery was the extent of AAS users reporting syringe sharing (20%)."
Builds herd immunity!
Now pull that out of your ass and hand it over, I'm in a rush
PlanetFatness
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QSC!
Any word on why cc payments are no longer available? Are bank transfers or Bitcoins the only way???
Any word on why cc payments are no longer available? Are bank transfers or Bitcoins the only way???
Lmao, I’ve been around gear users and have family/friends using aas since the early 90’s; I have never witnessed sharing of syringes or needles."The most worrying discovery was the extent of AAS users reporting syringe sharing (20%)."
Builds herd immunity!
Now pull that out of your ass and hand it over, I'm in a rush
I’ve also made my rounds around bodybuilding forums since the 2000’s and I’ve never heard anyone mention sharing needles or syringes, even in locker room settings.
Sometimes, these surveys do not translate to worldwide occurrence and only happen in specific settings.
Can anyone here comment if you ever shared syringes with your gym bros in any time of your gear career?
Btw, I hope those guys who did the survey from UK could now afford new syringes lol.
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