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speaking of tren, I get similar benefits from the much pricier but side-effect free combo of primobolan (pinning Hilmas daily since low concentration + high volume required means a ton of primo per week) + 50mg anavar. the lack of side effects is absolutely worth the cost to me, wish I had discovered this combo before I ever tried tren. don't buy up all his primo though, I need litres :P
 
You are not ready for Tren by the way you speak.

Don't waste your time, don't waste your money.

Your results are going to be suboptimal.

Stick to the test and learn how to diet and train hard.

I already know how to train and diet, those are the least of my problems. But you may be right, tren is hard as fuck and I might not be ready for it. But again, the temptation is strong lol. I guess I'll just try conservative dosages and see how it goes
 
I already know how to train and diet, those are the least of my problems. But you may be right, tren is hard as fuck and I might not be ready for it. But again, the temptation is strong lol. I guess I'll just try conservative dosages and see how it goes

You are right, you look good in your picture, haven't noticed that when I mentioned the training and diet.

Considering you look shredded, what's your purpose with tren?
 
Atm I'm on 150mg/week test c, 700mg/week tren a, anavar 100mg/ED, hcg 100iu/ED.

Hard as a rock, strong as a horse, and 0 sides.

First 2 weeks the sweats and insomnia were crazy, but there are ways to eliminate them.

For your first tren cycle I would advice 350mg/week. As any less will not give you obvious results when checking yourself in the mirror.

One of the secrets to keep side effects to minimum is ED injections, it's a must if you don't want spikes of high and lows in your blood.

What was your previous cycle and how many cycles under your belt?
 
Considering you look shredded, what's your purpose with tren?

I've always tried to slowly put muscles while staying with an acceptable bf, im not the dirty bulk kind of guy, so my purpose would be to use tren as a boost to add some clean mass but nothing insane

What was your previous cycle and how many cycles under your belt?

Did 3 cycles, all test only cycles at 500mg/week. Nothing else
 
I've always tried to slowly put muscles while staying with an acceptable bf, im not the dirty bulk kind of guy, so my purpose would be to use tren as a boost to add some clean mass but nothing insane



Did 3 cycles, all test only cycles at 500mg/week. Nothing else

Give Tren a shot then, you'll love it tho, and then you'll always use it :D
 
little update after 2 weeks of test/tbol
lot of energy , more pump , i see myself bigger
i have 0 sides , except higher bp and blood pressure a bit high in the morning , and i'm always hungry

currently using udca 450mg , nac 1.2gr , sylmarin 1 gr , liv 52 4caps
hope my liver is "fine", so i can finish all my 300 caps of tbol :D
ps: bloodwork in 8 days
 
little update after 2 weeks of test/tbol
lot of energy , more pump , i see myself bigger
i have 0 sides , except higher bp and blood pressure a bit high in the morning , and i'm always hungry

currently using udca 450mg , nac 1.2gr , sylmarin 1 gr , liv 52 4caps
hope my liver is "fine", so i can finish all my 300 caps of tbol :D
ps: bloodwork in 8 days

Take care with liv.52, it contains a lot of iron, may cause an increase in hematocrit, especially during the use of aas. there is a version without iron, it is called Liv 52 DS, who uses aas is better that try this version.

Moreover in my opinion , you can use the version 300 mg/tab of udca (deursil 300) if you are using 30/40 mg day of tbol (not more) it might be enough.
 
i noticed it contains lot of iron , but thought DA was the same just more concentrated... i lower liv 52 from 4 to 2 , thanks for the tip ( I remember 10 years ago they told me I was anemic and lacking in iron ... but i never took iron and seems everything is ok from bloodwork lol )
will also check hematocrit ... my natty hematocrit was 46 in a range 38-52

anyway im using 60mg tbol , deursil 300 2 caps 1 day and 1 caps another day , so 3 caps e2d.
since after this cycle i will stop with ass for at least a year ( probably more , since my parents don't want ) i chosed a medium-high dosage for my first oral compound
 
Yea, swapping from aromasin to arimidex saved me. But i'm still very unlucky... I need 1mg ED to keep it around 30pg/ml
Hey ! I used the Anadrol but @50mg, the hematocrit have up from 47 to 52 and the liver transaminase have up too ( i take Liv52 during and after cycle )

If you have the tool for break the pill, try with 1/2 because 1mg of adex are powerful, @ 0.25 and 0.50 Arimidex work very great.
 
Hey ! I used the Anadrol but @50mg, the hematocrit have up from 47 to 52 and the liver transaminase have up too ( i take Liv52 during and after cycle )

If you have the tool for break the pill, try with 1/2 because 1mg of adex are powerful, @ 0.25 and 0.50 Arimidex work very great.
I dont know, I doubt that 0.5mg will keep my e2 in check, but i'll give it a try
 
Yea it is. But what can I do about that lol. I'll try 0.5mg and see how it goes
Normally when you start product like this to reduce the oestrogen level, you need to up slowly because very low oestrogen level are not good too.
Now it's indicated 1mg / pill on the bottle but if you have underdosed product you need surely more.

I never used UG for this product, one time with research product from great compagnie and @ 0.25 and 0.50 he's have working very well 62 to 20 in 3 weeks.

Nolvadex help a lot too, in a few week at only 10mg he's help a lot.
 
Normally when you start product like this to reduce the oestrogen level, you need to up slowly because very low oestrogen level are not good too.
Now it's indicated 1mg / pill on the bottle but if you have underdosed product you need surely more.

I never used UG for this product, one time with research product from great compagnie and @ 0.25 and 0.50 he's have working very well 62 to 20 in 3 weeks.

Nolvadex help a lot too, in a few week at only 10mg he's help a lot.
Is it possible that - maybe - I needed high dosages to bring it down and now I can mantain with lower dosage? Anyway now Im going to stay on 0.5 and I will do another blood in few weeks to see how it goes
 
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