I’m also sorry for the lack of communication from our side. Thanks for pointing on a problem with contact form.
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I’m also sorry for the lack of communication from our side. Thanks for pointing on a problem with contact form.
Omegistosalex
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I think maybe the orals should be checked, if anything the service is good and the test is also very good and fair priced. We want you to improve not bashing from my part as i have used you in the past and got good results from the test e.
gearwolf
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I never spoke of it here before but it's a testament to why I'm defending Hilma against these idiots that can't check their e-mail or think he doesn't care:
Due to an unlucky chain of events (neither his nor my fault really) a 3000€ order payment got lost/frozen (and still is) and Hilma sent me the entire order anyways in the faint hope that a) the money somehow reappears & b) if it gets returned to me, I send it to him even though this would be the easiest scam on my part ever. He extended this offer by the way, picking amongst all the discussed solutions the one that's worst/riskiest for him. I personally think that's the highest level of customer service imaginable.
So despite the prevalent paranoia, perhaps barking at sources like a bunch of beaten bulldogs scared of their own shadow isn't the way to go. That's it for todays storytime
Juris93
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anyway the tbol i am using ( exp 01/2020 ) is probably legit
i say probably because it's my first oral , but blood pressure is high ( and it wasn't with only test , and i went also higher with test e on previous cycle ) plus gains are not bad ( end of week 5 )
bac water seems also good , hcg in fridge is working lol
i say probably because it's my first oral , but blood pressure is high ( and it wasn't with only test , and i went also higher with test e on previous cycle ) plus gains are not bad ( end of week 5 )
bac water seems also good , hcg in fridge is working lol
I also got my order despite the money for a 1.000+ order got frozen. Still not sure if they got the money back from the frozen bank Account. Their Customer Service is as good as it gets. The HGH Liquid was pretty good although I think the powder Version should be more potent due to downgrading of the Liquid if not cooled. The MT2 is also working. Havent tried the orals with an Exp of 2022 yet so cant say anything about them. The Exemestane is working for sure and I have seen 2 positive lab tests on those. Sure it should be simple to let Hilma test their stuff of the current Batches by a good lab like lab4tox to end the drama. If they do so with every batch they could end up on Pharmacom level....
Omegistosalex
Well-known Member
The customer service is exceptional I can also attest that, even though I did a small order myself, but still fast replies by a very genuine guy.
Den84
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I was talking about ancillaries, aromasin and arimidex
"are you tried" non è male comunque haha
Never tried AI from ugl, I prefer buy these products in my local pharmacy, but if you want to know if your problem with E2 is hilma fault, now you can buy the same AI in our pharmacy and do a cycle with the same testosterone dosage (was 750 mg week, you told me in private) and the same dosage of AI , and then check the E2 with blood tests. If the E2 value using pharma grade AI will be much lower than when you used hilma AI, the problem is hilma, but if the E2 value will be the same , the problem is your extreme aromatization. Honestly, as I told you privately, I aromatize a lot as you , and with arimidex, I had problems, it worked little on me, then in 2013 I underwent gynecomastia surgery, and my surgeon prescribed me letrozole. After trying letrozole, I solved my estrogen problems, with 500 mg / week of test I can keep E2 in the ranges using only 2 tabs week of letrozole. with arimidex I needed absurd dosages.
However if you check this bloodwork of this American guy , you will notice that he kept E2 to 20 pg ml with 0,5 mg arimidex hilma eod , togheter with 400 mg week test c ....
aromatization Is very subjective..
400mg Hilma test C per week blood work
TenPin
Member
I never spoke of it here before but it's a testament to why I'm defending Hilma against these idiots that can't check their e-mail or think he doesn't care:
Due to an unlucky chain of events (neither his nor my fault really) a 3000€ order payment got lost/frozen (and still is) and Hilma sent me the entire order anyways in the faint hope that a) the money somehow reappears & b) if it gets returned to me, I send it to him even though this would be the easiest scam on my part ever. He extended this offer by the way, picking amongst all the discussed solutions the one that's worst/riskiest for him. I personally think that's the highest level of customer service imaginable.
So despite the prevalent paranoia, perhaps barking at sources like a bunch of beaten bulldogs scared of their own shadow isn't the way to go. That's it for todays storytime
I also had a good experience with Hilma albeit on a much smaller scale. Can’t fault the response when something goes wrong which for me is the measure of service.
Personally we - didn’t. @steroaas.is used them to test our gear. I dropped lab4tox email in late March ,if I’m not mistaking, enquiring about prices,determination of impurities and equipment they are using,got no answer. Well okay.
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Well Lab4tox was just an example. Janoshik is also good although hated on this forum. Best would be Simec although expensive still the most reliable for lab tests. But I bet you would get a pretty good discount for testing over 30 products once or twice a year....
steroaas.is
New Member
janoshik does a very good job, lab4tox is in my opinion very good, you can see it because results.
Of simec I personally do not think much because we had problems with 2 tren hexa samples, simec could not find anything and lab4tox had found hexa.
a really good lab is chemtox, you should not forget that.
I like to post the results of both samples
Den84
Well-known Member
I remember very well the difference lab results between simec and lab4tox, with the same sample. at the end of this story, you managed to understand, who was right? Has the product been used by your customers and they are been satisfied? it would be interesting to understand which of the 2 laboratories was wrong. thank you
Baku Paratren Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate 100mg HPLC by Simec
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steroaas.is
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yes it was used by customers, he was more than happy.
That's why we sent it to lab4tox, since this day we do not make any more tests with simec, because I was assured that there is nothing there from simec.
Thank you
Klimmzugernie
Well-known Member
That means you chose the lab which gave the result you like more...? Sorry that is not a safe decision that the simec result is right or wrong.
Was the lab4tox lab aware of the expected content or was it a blind sample???
Den84
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if you look at his story on meso, you can see that he shares the results, whether they are good or bad. and he also share the results on his website, so Who buy from him will know before , if the products are underdosed or not. he never sends blind samples, because he is interested in having the brand and the molecule written in the report, so no customer can say that he sent a different sample than the one analyzed. (it's not like me that I'm an end user, so the tests I do do it just for me, because I haven’t to show it to someone who has to buy, so I send only blind samples)
However if simec don’t detected nothing, but the products had been used from his customers, and they were satisfied , it is evident that simec made some mistakes, then if the same sample was analyzed by lab4tox and it detected the molecule declared on the label, this error is even more evident. however there is no need to wonder, mistakes can happen, simec is always a good laboratory, but in my opinion the price (290 euros for a sample aas) does not justify a better quality and reliability of the lab tests.
steroaas.is
New Member
no it was not a blind sample, it was 2 vials from the same manufacture.
and that should not be hate against simec.
We sent the samples to 2 laboratories because it was measured with 2 different methods, GC / MS & HPLC
Thank you
Klimmzugernie
Well-known Member
And it is still not proven that simec is wrong or lab4 tox is right
Den84
Well-known Member
If was totally bunk (as simec declared) his customers would not have been satisfied ..
Klimmzugernie
Well-known Member
WHO are the customers? I do not Trust this topic sorry
Den84
Well-known Member
however one of the 2 laboratories was wrong, both laboratories are accredited and recognized nationally. both are used by law enforcement agencies to analyze drugs and food fraud. the moral of the story is that even if a laboratory is accredited, can make mistakes. this is what I understood from this story...
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