Rumors Stanford, etc.

It does have to do with TGI. I think I have most of the info. This shouldve died but since were here why not a TLDR; shortcut. Gonna have to be tomorrow though.
I guess my point was from what I can tell this didn’t start with tgi. It wasn’t him that started this conspiracy about @Millard Baker and @StanfordPharma. I could be wrong as I’m not privy to all the behind the scenes snooping and PM’s. Guess that’s why I just can’t piece this together. But what do I know.
At the end of the day I honestly don’t care.
 
Disagree. It's always required.
Agree to disagree. This Meso process for vetting a source might be tradition but I don’t see the value. Your ability to withstand “kill yourself” posts says nothing about your ability to satisfy gear orders. Tear a source apart on facts.

But do as you wish. I’m just the new guy shill only here for money.
 
Pretty sure tgi creating his own forum was a joke. But I've been wrong once before and seems like there's more to this than what's on the surface.

Out of curiosity, no matter who the member is, do any of you actually read the walls of text posted? No matter who it is and what the topic is, I usually skim or ignore those altogether. But I do have a short attention span. Anyways, I look forward to @Mac11wildcat putting this all together for us that aren't in the know. Carry on, wayward sons.
 
Pretty sure tgi creating his own forum was a joke. But I've been wrong once before and seems like there's more to this than what's on the surface.

Out of curiosity, no matter who the member is, do any of you actually read the walls of text posted? No matter who it is and what the topic is, I usually skim or ignore those altogether. But I do have a short attention span. Anyways, I look forward to @Mac11wildcat putting this all together for us that aren't in the know. Carry on, wayward sons.
Still collecting one more piece or two. I’ve read all there is aside from BB69s incoherent ramblings.
 
Agree to disagree. This Meso process for vetting a source might be tradition but I don’t see the value. Your ability to withstand “kill yourself” posts says nothing about your ability to satisfy gear orders. Tear a source apart on facts.

But do as you wish. I’m just the new guy shill only here for money.
I'll agree that kind of vetting is stupid. But staying on a sources ass about up to date testing of raws and finished, keeping batchs numbered, and operational security is necessary. Feet to the fire keeps one on their toes.
 
Guess I’ll throw my internet detective hat in the ring since new source Friday is a bust so far. Give me some time to articulate and stitch everything together
 
Well that was fun. So somehow those emails turned into a big conspiracy theory that @Millard and @StanfordPharma and some others were pushing big time el chapo type narcos? Now what? Whoever started this shit should be ashamed of themselves for not having a life and making up conspiracies about people with absolutely ZERO evidence. Best of all this has nothing to do with tgi lol. Unbelievable.


Just to think this all started with someone saying to someone else
“don’t say anything but...” bunch of fucking school girls gossiping.

You have hit on exactly the problem.

People had private information that they believed to be potentially damning. That information was WIDELY shared to others.

Then the PM's and texts spin out of control about what it all "means" and conspiracy theories abound.

None of it has anything to do with TGI but people are trying to connect the pieces from three different puzzles. None of which are really puzzles to begin with for the people who have been around for years and seen most of this before.
 
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Yeah, this needs to end. Now it's just back and forth with nothing being accomplished except looking like a shit show.
 
Someone want to hire me, I’ve got too much free time lately.

There seems to be two different things happening here. TGI breaking legs and the narco claims involving Stanny and Millard. So you’ve got an unrelated leg breaking. Coupled with an attack on the TGI thread that BB69 couldn’t say why; only that he’ll dox people, he’s in with the meso mafia, there’s going to be a reset but nothing else. The SP emails come to light and TGI figures they’re related and Millard has to know what’s going on and therefore at least aware if not asking for profits and that’s why BB69 was sent in. TGI then needs to make an exit.


I already addressed part of the leg breaking, but let’s put it all here. it was a foolish thing to say and without details it’s hard to know what actually happened. If someone just said it in response to finding out a disgruntled, banned member was trying to send LE on you, you’d be pissed too and probably say the same thing. Now did TGI actually go out of his way and get on the dark web to hire a hit man? I doubt it. He’d have to know where the guy lives, assuming any packs he may have sent were the guys actual address and he’d have to be able to ID the guy which again who uses their real name on a pack?


Obviously someone else had to be involved because there’s no way a disgruntled banned member is giving out any info to the source he’s trying to extort. If I’m reading all these posts correctly in the 2 threads than that person was/is oldskool. It seems TGI and oldschool had side conversations and oldschool found out about the extortion threats (maybe they were posted publicly in the thread, I don’t remember) and reached out to Morefyah to gather info and go back to TGI, all of which he could have done without TGI knowing. All oldschool needs to know is who is trying to extort someone.


So in order for this to be looked at as anything other than “I’m pissed some guys trying to send LE after me, wish I could break his legs” there has to be opportunity, TGI isn’t sending a hitman to a random address to bust the kneecap of the first person to open the door, there was someone involved in trying to Dox morefyah and it seems that person was oldschool. Again, and again, and let me say it again, without seeing the communications there’s no way to know how much thought went into it from either TGI or Oldschool. Unless oldschool was working to dox morefyah at the behest of TGI then this really is going nowhere, it looks like it was just a stupid move for TGI to be mentioning his frustrations.


Moving on


For the sp/Millard/ryno drug ring. Somehow someone got access to emails from ryno, whether he was arrested or simply hacked is irrelevant at this juncture, the point is ??Kai?? Got ahold of them and rumors started spreading. Looking at the emails it’s still fuzzy, but just like TGI breaking legs we don’t know exactly what was said outside of those communications or if those are all of them.


What we do know is the two of them talked about buying and selling narcotics, SP mentioned getting narcotic raws. Whether the two of them conspired to actually do it is anyone’s guess. But it’s clear Stanny didn’t shut the conversation down like he probably should have knowing rynos history, but that’s what happens when “friends” make awkward comments, sometimes you just roll with it. Stanny certainly didn’t help the situation by making the raws comment.


Take what you will from that; that Ryno had a source for Mexican narcotics and Stanny had potential buyers so they conspired to start moving product. Or, it was a conversation between close people that got awkward and out of hand. Ryno brought up something trying to phish info and see if he could get Stanny to start buying narcotics from him (I’m positive this was his intent) but Stanny didn’t quite know how to shut the conversation down politely and didn’t want to be rash. That’s the end of the Stanny/ryno narcotics ring.


Where does TGI and Millard come it to the narco stuff? Right here with the help of our buddy BB69:


After discussion of starting the narcotics ring they execute on the plan, it was shown in the emails that ryno had fallen off of it again and a lot of people were owed a lot of money. What better way than to get in on the narcotics cash cow they both admitted existed. In order for it to work they needed a place to acquire more clients and that was from their already existing AAS operation where people are constantly asking to get them on the side. SP is already an established source with great customer service, though private it doesn’t take much to get with word from the right person. Hell, look at his intro, the guy literally skipped the “meso vetting” based on the word of veterans in here.


Around that time TGI begins getting settled into meso and building a large client base due to his customer service, prices and turn around. Then comes WM and TGI starts sending everything off for testing, acquiring even more clients. Then pristine disappears for a month and Stanny still being private leaves only TGI as the main domestic source. All of this isn’t helped by the fact that the TGI is the general bullshit thread where everyone goes to talk so it drives traffic and sales. This is bad because SP and Ryno are trying to bring in customers to eventually inquire about narco sales.


This upsets the whole operation and everyone getting a cut, to include Millard, it’s his forum how does he not know what’s going on when this stuff starts. Bigger Ben comes out of nowhere calling people shills and trying to rip the TGI thread apart, stemming from some sexual remarks? But in his “investigation” he finds that everyone is just a shill and being paid off. Bb69 threatens to Dox people, claims to be in cohorts with Millard and the whole team of Meso Overlords.


What makes the situation even worse is that more people jump in it and bash any supporter of TGI, but no one stopped him, instead Millard stepped in and laughed it off. You have a guy threatening to reveal identities, and claiming to be in charge and Millard dismisses it as sarcasm? If anyone else did that they’d be banned in a moment. And actually a person was banned for abusive language in a political thread against a “moderator.”


Sorry but Scally posts medical stuff in the medical section he moderates but you step foot and constantly post shit all over the political discourse section you’re not a moderator, you’re an average member stating an opinion. Meanwhile you have bigger Ben threats and claims to be in contact with Millard and running the show but he’s given a pass? Shit talking in a political thread full of shit is banned but threatening to dox and claiming to be involved with the meso mafia is written off as sarcasm?


There’s something bigger going on here, Ben is attacking the source and his credibility as well as individual members. Why? Everyone is losing out on business of AAS and the side business that brings because TGI is blowing up. Why else would someone just blow up on a source and members like that. Ben was asked multiple times to articulate what is actual problem with TGI and the members was and he never answered it, never. It wasn’t until this thread here where we find out it was supposed to be because of all the shit talking and clogging of a source thread. Really? In all those days of talk, bb69 or Brutus and anyone else leading the charge couldn’t just say that? Again, that wasn’t the actual reason and there’s more going on.


So after that failed attempt everyone regroups; meso mafia figuring out how to get rid of TGI. And TGI finding out about the emails starts connecting dots. SP went forward with the plans and the TGI thread is pulling business from SP people are losing money and boom all f a sudden his thread is attacked. Now TGI is trying to figure out how to get out, so he’ll start his own source board (where did that even come from, did someone pull that from their ass?) First of all a source starting a source board is weird, do you allow other sources and let your profits get cut or charge rent to make up for it? That’s a lot of planning, not impossible but a lot of planning.


So you’ve got an unrelated leg breaking. Coupled with an attack on the TGI thread that BB69 couldn’t say why, only that he’ll dox people, he’s in with the meso mafia, there’s going to be a reset but nothing else. The SP emails come to light and TGI figures they’re related and Millard has to know what’s going on and therefore at least aware if not asking for profits and that’s why BB69 was sent in. TGI then needs to make an exit.
 
Someone want to hire me, I’ve got too much free time lately.

There seems to be two different things happening here. TGI breaking legs and the narco claims involving Stanny and Millard. So you’ve got an unrelated leg breaking. Coupled with an attack on the TGI thread that BB69 couldn’t say why; only that he’ll dox people, he’s in with the meso mafia, there’s going to be a reset but nothing else. The SP emails come to light and TGI figures they’re related and Millard has to know what’s going on and therefore at least aware if not asking for profits and that’s why BB69 was sent in. TGI then needs to make an exit.


I already addressed part of the leg breaking, but let’s put it all here. it was a foolish thing to say and without details it’s hard to know what actually happened. If someone just said it in response to finding out a disgruntled, banned member was trying to send LE on you, you’d be pissed too and probably say the same thing. Now did TGI actually go out of his way and get on the dark web to hire a hit man? I doubt it. He’d have to know where the guy lives, assuming any packs he may have sent were the guys actual address and he’d have to be able to ID the guy which again who uses their real name on a pack?


Obviously someone else had to be involved because there’s no way a disgruntled banned member is giving out any info to the source he’s trying to extort. If I’m reading all these posts correctly in the 2 threads than that person was/is oldskool. It seems TGI and oldschool had side conversations and oldschool found out about the extortion threats (maybe they were posted publicly in the thread, I don’t remember) and reached out to Morefyah to gather info and go back to TGI, all of which he could have done without TGI knowing. All oldschool needs to know is who is trying to extort someone.


So in order for this to be looked at as anything other than “I’m pissed some guys trying to send LE after me, wish I could break his legs” there has to be opportunity, TGI isn’t sending a hitman to a random address to bust the kneecap of the first person to open the door, there was someone involved in trying to Dox morefyah and it seems that person was oldschool. Again, and again, and let me say it again, without seeing the communications there’s no way to know how much thought went into it from either TGI or Oldschool. Unless oldschool was working to dox morefyah at the behest of TGI then this really is going nowhere, it looks like it was just a stupid move for TGI to be mentioning his frustrations.


Moving on


For the sp/Millard/ryno drug ring. Somehow someone got access to emails from ryno, whether he was arrested or simply hacked is irrelevant at this juncture, the point is ??Kai?? Got ahold of them and rumors started spreading. Looking at the emails it’s still fuzzy, but just like TGI breaking legs we don’t know exactly what was said outside of those communications or if those are all of them.


What we do know is the two of them talked about buying and selling narcotics, SP mentioned getting narcotic raws. Whether the two of them conspired to actually do it is anyone’s guess. But it’s clear Stanny didn’t shut the conversation down like he probably should have knowing rynos history, but that’s what happens when “friends” make awkward comments, sometimes you just roll with it. Stanny certainly didn’t help the situation by making the raws comment.


Take what you will from that; that Ryno had a source for Mexican narcotics and Stanny had potential buyers so they conspired to start moving product. Or, it was a conversation between close people that got awkward and out of hand. Ryno brought up something trying to phish info and see if he could get Stanny to start buying narcotics from him (I’m positive this was his intent) but Stanny didn’t quite know how to shut the conversation down politely and didn’t want to be rash. That’s the end of the Stanny/ryno narcotics ring.


Where does TGI and Millard come it to the narco stuff? Right here with the help of our buddy BB69:


After discussion of starting the narcotics ring they execute on the plan, it was shown in the emails that ryno had fallen off of it again and a lot of people were owed a lot of money. What better way than to get in on the narcotics cash cow they both admitted existed. In order for it to work they needed a place to acquire more clients and that was from their already existing AAS operation where people are constantly asking to get them on the side. SP is already an established source with great customer service, though private it doesn’t take much to get with word from the right person. Hell, look at his intro, the guy literally skipped the “meso vetting” based on the word of veterans in here.


Around that time TGI begins getting settled into meso and building a large client base due to his customer service, prices and turn around. Then comes WM and TGI starts sending everything off for testing, acquiring even more clients. Then pristine disappears for a month and Stanny still being private leaves only TGI as the main domestic source. All of this isn’t helped by the fact that the TGI is the general bullshit thread where everyone goes to talk so it drives traffic and sales. This is bad because SP and Ryno are trying to bring in customers to eventually inquire about narco sales.


This upsets the whole operation and everyone getting a cut, to include Millard, it’s his forum how does he not know what’s going on when this stuff starts. Bigger Ben comes out of nowhere calling people shills and trying to rip the TGI thread apart, stemming from some sexual remarks? But in his “investigation” he finds that everyone is just a shill and being paid off. Bb69 threatens to Dox people, claims to be in cohorts with Millard and the whole team of Meso Overlords.


What makes the situation even worse is that more people jump in it and bash any supporter of TGI, but no one stopped him, instead Millard stepped in and laughed it off. You have a guy threatening to reveal identities, and claiming to be in charge and Millard dismisses it as sarcasm? If anyone else did that they’d be banned in a moment. And actually a person was banned for abusive language in a political thread against a “moderator.”


Sorry but Scally posts medical stuff in the medical section he moderates but you step foot and constantly post shit all over the political discourse section you’re not a moderator, you’re an average member stating an opinion. Meanwhile you have bigger Ben threats and claims to be in contact with Millard and running the show but he’s given a pass? Shit talking in a political thread full of shit is banned but threatening to dox and claiming to be involved with the meso mafia is written off as sarcasm?


There’s something bigger going on here, Ben is attacking the source and his credibility as well as individual members. Why? Everyone is losing out on business of AAS and the side business that brings because TGI is blowing up. Why else would someone just blow up on a source and members like that. Ben was asked multiple times to articulate what is actual problem with TGI and the members was and he never answered it, never. It wasn’t until this thread here where we find out it was supposed to be because of all the shit talking and clogging of a source thread. Really? In all those days of talk, bb69 or Brutus and anyone else leading the charge couldn’t just say that? Again, that wasn’t the actual reason and there’s more going on.


So after that failed attempt everyone regroups; meso mafia figuring out how to get rid of TGI. And TGI finding out about the emails starts connecting dots. SP went forward with the plans and the TGI thread is pulling business from SP people are losing money and boom all f a sudden his thread is attacked. Now TGI is trying to figure out how to get out, so he’ll start his own source board (where did that even come from, did someone pull that from their ass?) First of all a source starting a source board is weird, do you allow other sources and let your profits get cut or charge rent to make up for it? That’s a lot of planning, not impossible but a lot of planning.


So you’ve got an unrelated leg breaking. Coupled with an attack on the TGI thread that BB69 couldn’t say why, only that he’ll dox people, he’s in with the meso mafia, there’s going to be a reset but nothing else. The SP emails come to light and TGI figures they’re related and Millard has to know what’s going on and therefore at least aware if not asking for profits and that’s why BB69 was sent in. TGI then needs to make an exit.
Get a fucking job
 
Someone want to hire me, I’ve got too much free time lately.

There seems to be two different things happening here. TGI breaking legs and the narco claims involving Stanny and Millard. So you’ve got an unrelated leg breaking. Coupled with an attack on the TGI thread that BB69 couldn’t say why; only that he’ll dox people, he’s in with the meso mafia, there’s going to be a reset but nothing else. The SP emails come to light and TGI figures they’re related and Millard has to know what’s going on and therefore at least aware if not asking for profits and that’s why BB69 was sent in. TGI then needs to make an exit.


I already addressed part of the leg breaking, but let’s put it all here. it was a foolish thing to say and without details it’s hard to know what actually happened. If someone just said it in response to finding out a disgruntled, banned member was trying to send LE on you, you’d be pissed too and probably say the same thing. Now did TGI actually go out of his way and get on the dark web to hire a hit man? I doubt it. He’d have to know where the guy lives, assuming any packs he may have sent were the guys actual address and he’d have to be able to ID the guy which again who uses their real name on a pack?


Obviously someone else had to be involved because there’s no way a disgruntled banned member is giving out any info to the source he’s trying to extort. If I’m reading all these posts correctly in the 2 threads than that person was/is oldskool. It seems TGI and oldschool had side conversations and oldschool found out about the extortion threats (maybe they were posted publicly in the thread, I don’t remember) and reached out to Morefyah to gather info and go back to TGI, all of which he could have done without TGI knowing. All oldschool needs to know is who is trying to extort someone.


So in order for this to be looked at as anything other than “I’m pissed some guys trying to send LE after me, wish I could break his legs” there has to be opportunity, TGI isn’t sending a hitman to a random address to bust the kneecap of the first person to open the door, there was someone involved in trying to Dox morefyah and it seems that person was oldschool. Again, and again, and let me say it again, without seeing the communications there’s no way to know how much thought went into it from either TGI or Oldschool. Unless oldschool was working to dox morefyah at the behest of TGI then this really is going nowhere, it looks like it was just a stupid move for TGI to be mentioning his frustrations.


Moving on


For the sp/Millard/ryno drug ring. Somehow someone got access to emails from ryno, whether he was arrested or simply hacked is irrelevant at this juncture, the point is ??Kai?? Got ahold of them and rumors started spreading. Looking at the emails it’s still fuzzy, but just like TGI breaking legs we don’t know exactly what was said outside of those communications or if those are all of them.


What we do know is the two of them talked about buying and selling narcotics, SP mentioned getting narcotic raws. Whether the two of them conspired to actually do it is anyone’s guess. But it’s clear Stanny didn’t shut the conversation down like he probably should have knowing rynos history, but that’s what happens when “friends” make awkward comments, sometimes you just roll with it. Stanny certainly didn’t help the situation by making the raws comment.


Take what you will from that; that Ryno had a source for Mexican narcotics and Stanny had potential buyers so they conspired to start moving product. Or, it was a conversation between close people that got awkward and out of hand. Ryno brought up something trying to phish info and see if he could get Stanny to start buying narcotics from him (I’m positive this was his intent) but Stanny didn’t quite know how to shut the conversation down politely and didn’t want to be rash. That’s the end of the Stanny/ryno narcotics ring.


Where does TGI and Millard come it to the narco stuff? Right here with the help of our buddy BB69:


After discussion of starting the narcotics ring they execute on the plan, it was shown in the emails that ryno had fallen off of it again and a lot of people were owed a lot of money. What better way than to get in on the narcotics cash cow they both admitted existed. In order for it to work they needed a place to acquire more clients and that was from their already existing AAS operation where people are constantly asking to get them on the side. SP is already an established source with great customer service, though private it doesn’t take much to get with word from the right person. Hell, look at his intro, the guy literally skipped the “meso vetting” based on the word of veterans in here.


Around that time TGI begins getting settled into meso and building a large client base due to his customer service, prices and turn around. Then comes WM and TGI starts sending everything off for testing, acquiring even more clients. Then pristine disappears for a month and Stanny still being private leaves only TGI as the main domestic source. All of this isn’t helped by the fact that the TGI is the general bullshit thread where everyone goes to talk so it drives traffic and sales. This is bad because SP and Ryno are trying to bring in customers to eventually inquire about narco sales.


This upsets the whole operation and everyone getting a cut, to include Millard, it’s his forum how does he not know what’s going on when this stuff starts. Bigger Ben comes out of nowhere calling people shills and trying to rip the TGI thread apart, stemming from some sexual remarks? But in his “investigation” he finds that everyone is just a shill and being paid off. Bb69 threatens to Dox people, claims to be in cohorts with Millard and the whole team of Meso Overlords.


What makes the situation even worse is that more people jump in it and bash any supporter of TGI, but no one stopped him, instead Millard stepped in and laughed it off. You have a guy threatening to reveal identities, and claiming to be in charge and Millard dismisses it as sarcasm? If anyone else did that they’d be banned in a moment. And actually a person was banned for abusive language in a political thread against a “moderator.”


Sorry but Scally posts medical stuff in the medical section he moderates but you step foot and constantly post shit all over the political discourse section you’re not a moderator, you’re an average member stating an opinion. Meanwhile you have bigger Ben threats and claims to be in contact with Millard and running the show but he’s given a pass? Shit talking in a political thread full of shit is banned but threatening to dox and claiming to be involved with the meso mafia is written off as sarcasm?


There’s something bigger going on here, Ben is attacking the source and his credibility as well as individual members. Why? Everyone is losing out on business of AAS and the side business that brings because TGI is blowing up. Why else would someone just blow up on a source and members like that. Ben was asked multiple times to articulate what is actual problem with TGI and the members was and he never answered it, never. It wasn’t until this thread here where we find out it was supposed to be because of all the shit talking and clogging of a source thread. Really? In all those days of talk, bb69 or Brutus and anyone else leading the charge couldn’t just say that? Again, that wasn’t the actual reason and there’s more going on.


So after that failed attempt everyone regroups; meso mafia figuring out how to get rid of TGI. And TGI finding out about the emails starts connecting dots. SP went forward with the plans and the TGI thread is pulling business from SP people are losing money and boom all f a sudden his thread is attacked. Now TGI is trying to figure out how to get out, so he’ll start his own source board (where did that even come from, did someone pull that from their ass?) First of all a source starting a source board is weird, do you allow other sources and let your profits get cut or charge rent to make up for it? That’s a lot of planning, not impossible but a lot of planning.


So you’ve got an unrelated leg breaking. Coupled with an attack on the TGI thread that BB69 couldn’t say why, only that he’ll dox people, he’s in with the meso mafia, there’s going to be a reset but nothing else. The SP emails come to light and TGI figures they’re related and Millard has to know what’s going on and therefore at least aware if not asking for profits and that’s why BB69 was sent in. TGI then needs to make an exit.
Interesting how you make excuses for the leg breaking comment..oh you'd say it too, then proceed to read "narcotics ring" into private emails for which you have no context. For many who have read those emails, narcotics ring really doesn't come to mind. It's interesting how a few of you refuse to look at anything from a point of view outside of TGI is a blameless victim.
Your bias is showing.
 
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