Rumors Stanford, etc.

[biggerben69]

Going off memory which is hazy these days (and that certain individual's writing style is for shit and nearly incomprehensible), he was heavily insinuating, that he was working with you and Meso mods. May have even said it word for word. I recall something about coordinating cell phones etc.

Doesn't matter but not one person took those threats as sarcastic in any way. Real or unreal is debatable but he went out of his way and openly threatened people. For what reason...uh...he didn't like people talking in a source thread or people got too many likes? Really - this is kindergarten? Oh yeah, and only after the fact as he was asked numerous times and dodged them all responding to everything but that.

You know me under a different name starting from the early 2000s. I was on a number of forums but posted here with Johnsmith182, Animalmass etc (their names are public now I know, but mine isn't). When I started posting again I only joined here and to this day still the same. That particular incident made me heavily reconsider this and take a real step back. Nearly bailed. I'm not the only one. You've spent 20 years on this and while I've taken a long hiatus I don't recall anyone saying anything bad about you and generally very respectful (that's an accomplishment on an internet forum with all the bullshit). My 2 cents for free... Don't let that asshole and his behavior damage an asset you've built or your reputation. Sincere advice. Do with that what you will.

Cry all you want, lame. You have no influence here. You won't be missed when you're gone. What will we do without your stories of shaving all the body hair off and urinating on your victims( you call them dates and one is your fiance) all in pursuit of your sick self gratification. We'll get on somehow....
Evolutionary has routinely dropped Millards name as well as meso(thinksteroids.com) routinely over the last few months.
Staff post about dynasty bust and Millard being on the run in europre..comes to mind.
Today...the bust of some guy with the screenname bigbadasian was busted. Evolutionary posted that he was a moderator here at meso. They don't like you, boss!

 

[Millard]

Going off memory which is hazy these days (and that certain individual's writing style is for shit and nearly incomprehensible), he was heavily insinuating, that he was working with you and Meso mods. May have even said it word for word. I recall something about coordinating cell phones etc.

Doesn't matter but not one person took those threats as sarcastic in any way. Real or unreal is debatable but he went out of his way and openly threatened people. For what reason...uh...he didn't like people talking in a source thread or people got too many likes? Really - this is kindergarten? Oh yeah, and only after the fact as he was asked numerous times and dodged them all responding to everything but that.

You know me under a different name starting from the early 2000s. I was on a number of forums but posted here with Johnsmith182, Animalmass etc (their names are public now I know, but mine isn't). When I started posting again I only joined here and to this day still the same. That particular incident made me heavily reconsider this and take a real step back. Nearly bailed. I'm not the only one. You've spent 20 years on this and while I've taken a long hiatus I don't recall anyone saying anything bad about you and generally very respectful (that's an accomplishment on an internet forum with all the bullshit). My 2 cents for free... Don't let that asshole and his behavior damage an asset you've built or your reputation. Sincere advice. Do with that what you will.

Thanks. I appreciate your comments.

One thing that 20+ years has given me is perspective. Regardless of the situation and the parties involved, I apply the rules impartially to the best of my ability. There is one possible exception to that: I go out of my way to NOT help sources.

"Members will not be banned for anything that is said about sources."

This rule practically gives members carte blanche to make founded and unfounded accusations. I relinquish any authority in determining the veracity of the accusations because I don't want to ever suppress a legitimate complaint even if unintentionally.

This strategy makes it clear that I will never protect sources from accountability. It's not perfect because there is no shortage of unfair smears.

Back to the TGI situation. Other sources have been attacked and insulted far more severely than what occurred in the TGI thread. I never banned anyone because of this.

To ban anyone in the TGI thread would amount to giving TGI special treatment. And I will continue to go out of my way to avoid doing this for any source.

My approach has usually been very welcome and appreciated by members in mostly every source thread.

IMO, the difference with the TGI thread is that the customers are uniquely and fiercely loyal to their source. They are far more so than any other source ever to appear on MESO as far as I recall. So, I was maligned for allowing the source to be treated in such a manner.

But perspective. In the big picture, I doubt the treatment received by TGI doesn't even rank in the top 10 of mistreatment of sources by members. So rather than any assholes receiving special treatment, this is the exact same treatment that all assholes receive whether they have been on MESO for 1 week or 10 years.

Whether TGI's treatment was unfair or unwarranted is completely irrelevant to me when it comes to moderation. It is how I treat all sources on the forum.

 

[stomps]

Who knows man. People change. Look at his posts and posting style right here...ask yourself if this this is someone you want to associate with. Ranting and raving emotional mess. No logic...maybe fried on drugs or dementia onset. Asshole too.


Do with that what you will but there's some context for you.

I need no context thanks though. Ben when here when I first joined meso almost 10 years ago.

 

[stomps]

Good intentions don’t usually accompany somebody hiding their reasoning and evidence for an accusation.

I disagree the person most likely to screw you is the one who is the best actor and gains your trust.

 

[Stanfordpharma1]

I'm making the "General discussion" foru

Pure speculation on my part, but would another forum benefit from MESO disruption? Could this be retaliation from another forum? Would any of that make sense?

if one resided and made a name.for themselves on a particular website and then decided to make thier own website, wouldn't it benifit them to turn people against the original website? I mean claiming the owner of the original website was selling dangerous drugs and that the top guys on the website are involved and are conspiring in ways that are harmful to the community. Why else would one make a bunch of lies up that was damaging to peoples reputation and then bounce when the getting was good? Bounce and not even stick around to answer to the claims he made.

 

[T&H]

In regards to other forums benefitting from this drama, I would believe there would be threads about meso on their site recently. I'm on a few different forums and don't recall any meso bashing threads where it appears people are out to get us.

But there are a lot of different forums too...

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I disagree the person most likely to screw you is the one who is the best actor and gains your trust.

That’s some cryptic nonsense. If you have an accusation you bring proof. And you don’t accompany it with threats to severity of random members. End of story.

 

[Monstar]

Thanks. I appreciate your comments.

One thing that 20+ years has given me is perspective. Regardless of the situation and the parties involved, I apply the rules impartially to the best of my ability. There is one possible exception to that: I go out of my way to NOT help sources.

"Members will not be banned for anything that is said about sources."

This rule practically gives members carte blanche to make founded and unfounded accusations. I relinquish any authority in determining the veracity of the accusations because I don't want to ever suppress a legitimate complaint even if unintentionally.

This strategy makes it clear that I will never protect sources from accountability. It's not perfect because there is no shortage of unfair smears.

Back to the TGI situation. Other sources have been attacked and insulted far more severely than what occurred in the TGI thread. I never banned anyone because of this.

To ban anyone in the TGI thread would amount to giving TGI special treatment. And I will continue to go out of my way to avoid doing this for any source.

My approach has usually been very welcome and appreciated by members in mostly every source thread.

IMO, the difference with the TGI thread is that the customers are uniquely and fiercely loyal to their source. They are far more so than any other source ever to appear on MESO as far as I recall. So, I was maligned for allowing the source to be treated in such a manner.

But perspective. In the big picture, I doubt the treatment received by TGI doesn't even rank in the top 10 of mistreatment of sources by members. So rather than any assholes receiving special treatment, this is the exact same treatment that all assholes receive whether they have been on MESO for 1 week or 10 years.

Whether TGI's treatment was unfair or unwarranted is completely irrelevant to me when it comes to moderation. It is how I treat all sources on the forum.

For what it's worth I was referring to the treatment of numerous MESO members not TGI. That was the issue. No knowledge of anything else.

Just because people posted in his thread, I never detected any kind of unusual loyalty. He just never fucked anyone, handled shit right, and always kept his word. That goes away far faster than it can be accrued if they start fucking up. Then again, people don't share crazy shit with me so I could be last to know.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

What are we counting as loyalty. Because we all posted issues when they came up, and TGI resolved them quickly and all was made known.

There wasn’t any protectionism going on.

If you’re referring to defending him from the nonsense that came into the thread in an orchestrated wave, then yes. Doesn’t matter if it was a member or a source. He was established; none of the Meso vetting required anymore. Nobody should stand for baseless bullshit and legitimate threats. Especially when it was stated he was “working” with you.

 

[stomps]

IMO, the difference with the TGI thread is that the customers are uniquely and fiercely loyal to their source. They are far more so than any other source ever to appear on MESO as far as I recall. So, I was maligned for allowing the source to be treated in such a manner.

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This is exactly the issue I was talking about.
I think that and this is somewhat along the same lines as Bens, I don't think any members in the tgi thread were intentionally shilling and in this case I don't like that word but I think its the best fit.
I Think that tgi is smart and knew if he could get a group of members loyal he could operate here unbarred so to speak. I also don't think its bad to support a good source but still think a source should be treated as just that a source.

Here is an example of something that is bothering me.
he openly admitted to hiring someone to pull a kickdoor/Hit yet his biggest supporters still chant his name.

lets play another scenario out here for a minute.
Say he knew someone was gonna expose the fact that he was hiring muscle to pull up on customers and he wanted to stay on meso.
And lets say he decided to stay on meso she makes a post admitting to these allegations and give some explanation as to why. And in less than a day that post would be buried in the 3k page mess. Not to be seen by majority of the board.

Lets go a step further say he is successful in his hiring attempts and someone gets a visit and it goes south. so many ways it could someone could his muscle could get caught/someone could get killed/maybe the house said muscle was sent to is actually LE.

And now all of sudden LE decides this is to far and wanna make an example and it all leads back to the source. What if he didn't take anyone personally security serious and LE decides to make an example out of everyone. Imagine if someone ended up dead how many more indictments LE could get. The ricco act is no joke.

I know this is far left field but face it people more of a possibility than most realize.

Anyway this will be my last post on this subject I have no ill will towards anyone just trying to voice my concerns.
I remember what it was like when the underground first came out it was scam after scam. Us "old members" worked hard help expose them but honestly i'm not sure why cause everyone is gonna do what they want in the end.

 

[Cityofgrit]

In regards to other forums benefitting from this drama, I would believe there would be threads about meso on their site recently. I'm on a few different forums and don't recall any meso bashing threads where it appears people are out to get us.

But there are a lot of different forums too...

What about the back and forth with SST that was going on?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

This is exactly the issue I was talking about.
I think that and this is somewhat along the same lines as Bens, I don't think any members in the tgi thread were intentionally shilling and in this case I don't like that word but I think its the best fit.
I Think that tgi is smart and knew if he could get a group of members loyal he could operate here unbarred so to speak. I also don't think its bad to support a good source but still think a source should be treated as just that a source.

Here is an example of something that is bothering me.
he openly admitted to hiring someone to pull a kickdoor/Hit yet his biggest supporters still chant his name.

lets play another scenario out here for a minute.
Say he knew someone was gonna expose the fact that he was hiring muscle to pull up on customers and he wanted to stay on meso.
And lets say he decided to stay on meso she makes a post admitting to these allegations and give some explanation as to why. And in less than a day that post would be buried in the 3k page mess. Not to be seen by majority of the board.

Lets go a step further say he is successful in his hiring attempts and someone gets a visit and it goes south. so many ways it could someone could his muscle could get caught/someone could get killed/maybe the house said muscle was sent to is actually LE.

And now all of sudden LE decides this is to far and wanna make an example and it all leads back to the source. What if he didn't take anyone personally security serious and LE decides to make an example out of everyone. Imagine if someone ended up dead how many more indictments LE could get. The ricco act is no joke.

I know this is far left field but face it people more of a possibility than most realize.

Anyway this will be my last post on this subject I have no ill will towards anyone just trying to voice my concerns.
I remember what it was like when the underground first came out it was scam after scam. Us "old members" worked hard help expose them but honestly i'm not sure why cause everyone is gonna do what they want in the end.

This getting someone roughed up is new. And I think he knew he fucked up. Knew it meant the end here. And left. It was definitely a mistake and a bad one at that. Nobody’s defending him for that.

But do realize it was brought on by a threat of LE by a banned disgruntled member. I received the same threat. This member being of the same group or linked through common members to these “old time Meso” guys. Doesn’t make it right. Sometimes you gotta keep thoughts to yourself. And he didn’t. As a source he should’ve known better. That was dumb as fuck.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

What about the back and forth with SST that was going on?

I think we’re getting a bit outlandish here....but what do I know. Not the craziest thing said today..

 

[T&H]

What about the back and forth with SST that was going on?

I haven't seen a single thread on SST about it since it went down. So don't think they are the one.

 

[stomps]

That’s some cryptic nonsense. If you have an accusation you bring proof. And you don’t accompany it with threats to severity of random members. End of story.

First off that wasn't meant to be cryptic.
Second don't demand anything from me I've been nothing but cordial with you as I know nothing about you.
3rd I Haven't threatned a member on here ever.
I was merely pointing out the ones who can screw you over the most are usually the ones that gain your trust and pretend to have the best intentions especially on a forum where most of us will never meet or have face to face hell I could be a 300 lb obese woman for all you know.

 

[Monstar]

I need no context thanks though. Ben when here when I first joined meso almost 10 years ago.

If that's a major factor, I was here before both of you. I stopped posting well over 10 years ago. I don't believe circling the sun earns me nor anyone else anything. Family, work, sacrifice, how one treats others, service, courage to do what is right even when it bears real costs...a better starting point for measuring the quality of a man.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

First off that wasn't meant to be cryptic.
Second don't demand anything from me I've been nothing but cordial with you as I know nothing about you.
3rd I Haven't threatned a member on here ever.
I was merely pointing out the ones who can screw you over the most are usually the ones that gain your trust and pretend to have the best intentions especially on a forum where most of us will never meet or have face to face hell I could be a 300 lb obese woman for all you know.

The “you” wasn’t meant to literally be you. I was referring to how things went down when the crew hopped into the TGI thread. Apologize for any confusion

 

[Mac11wildcat]

If that's a major factor, I was here before both of you. I stopped posting well over 10 years ago. I don't believe circling the sun earns me nor anyone else anything. Family, work, sacrifice, how one treats others, service, courage to do what is right even when it bears real costs...a better starting point for measuring the quality of a man.

Wish i could like this more than once.

 

[Monstar]

In regards to other forums benefitting from this drama, I would believe there would be threads about meso on their site recently. I'm on a few different forums and don't recall any meso bashing threads where it appears people are out to get us.

But there are a lot of different forums too...

First let me say that all of this is pure conjecture and hypothetical as there's already enough rumor and BS around.

IF this was done it wouldn't be the membership and owners and sponsors would be fools to conduct it in the open for exactly this reason.

 

[stomps]

If that's a major factor, I was here before both of you. I stopped posting well over 10 years ago. I don't believe circling the sun earns me nor anyone else anything. Family, work, sacrifice, how one treats others, service, courage to do what is right even when it bears real costs...a better starting point for measuring the quality of a man.

I agree with you on that I was merely pointing out I don't need any context about bens character my opinions are my own based off of my years and interactions here.