Rumors Stanford, etc.

[Monstar]

@BB69
Glad to see yah around and still on meso so many familiar names not here anymore.
Sorry to hear about your 10month stint.

I will say I've known Ben to be right more than he is wrong.
Not sure about this as I wasn't arouND.

If he would have acted like a normal human being and not been a supreme spaz, picked fights and threatened people there would be zero issues. For what it's worth others who knew him and saw his crap show commented similar to yours that he was a decent guy but his approach and conduct was out of line.

Who knows man. People change. Look at his posts and posting style right here...ask yourself if this this is someone you want to associate with. Ranting and raving emotional mess. No logic...maybe fried on drugs or dementia onset. Asshole too.

For what it's worth I'm a pretty infrequent poster in that TGI thread and have no clue about all the other rumor shit (happens in life too, last to hear gossip and giver of zero fucks anyway). I happen to like a few of the people who post and it's humorous. If he'd have never attacked me, if he'd have left me alone when I told him straight up that he/I would be ignoring each other forever...well I wouldn't be making fun of that piece of garbage and what passes for his real life. Also he dodged question after question about how or why he randomly showed up in that thread after months of inactivity to threaten people and start shit. Real simple, he has incentive or financial interest. People don't waste time otherwise.

Do with that what you will but there's some context for you.

 

[Monstar]

My feelings were hurt? I use multiple acct's? You clearly aren't familiar with my work. These generic weak suck shots are the same you'd lob at any other member you and your dwindling group of big mouths try to gang up on.
People know me...they may not like or agree with me but your lame attempt at insulting me missed its mark, wide right. Fucking fly by night lame with a bruised pinky toe who isn't about the lifestyle and knows his place scooping up the redi made kicked to the curb by the real daddy ugly wife and soft as shit kids.
The expectations aren't very high...i unfortunately am aware that you like playing it safe knowing the brood you wound up with when mama bear cast her net wide giving you the chance to play savior giving them a real house to live in taling them off the sect 8 waiting list for 3 bedroom apt"s.
The truth is mom was past her prime and threatened the kids with no presents under the tree if they dont make you feel important. I'm closer to your real life than you knew.
Fade away with the others...leave the legit members to ourselves. The club house is gone as are many you thought were real members. Beat it...you served a purpose. Nothing left for you here...i assure you.

Please continue embarrassing yourself.

 

[Giveitago]

If its possible to even find where and when i entered the tgi thread its clear why i showed up.
I knew nothing of tgi or the cast of characters. I had been away for exactly 10 months. I was 2 or 3 days returned and had no clue or plan to try and take down tgi.
I was browsing posts and came across one of the few conversations in tbe tgi thread between Monstar and icemann. Iceman was stroking monstar...one of his signature plays as seen with resident deviant, teabagger.
Monstar was posting about his own deviant exploits involving humiliation and the sexual abuse of mentally ill women and girls and how he was of the belief that his breaking them down somehow benefited the females. I found it in poor taste and outside the scope of anything having to do with meso. I voiced my opinion. I was attacked in short order by every active day to day poster in the tgi thread.
Free speech they demanded for all except yours truly.
Oldschool posted he agreed with my assessment of things. A couple of members understood my position which had nothing to do with tgi or his gear.
The accusations thrown my way ranged from my being a cooperating witness and my being permanently housed in protective custody to being a far left wing tree hugger with estrogen issues as well as as my being a card carrying feminist. Lol...
My attackers also turned on any member that had ever posted in the tgi thread who didn"t join in with the mob. If a member familiar with me posted anything other than an attack on me or supporting those attacking me he was called a "sellout" or their loyalty to America or tgi was called into question.
At some point i took a look around and looked into what i saw. I was playing catchup while attacking and defending myself, by myself, against a dozen or so rabid tgi supporters.
I never called for back up from my friends. I tagged Millard and wanted him to see the posts made by Monstar that amounted to vulgar graffiti, imo.
A few of my friends saw I was back and stopped in the thread i was posting in to welcome me home and one or more may have hit up some other friends that eventually showed to give their take on matters.
I didnt participate in any conspiracy to remove tgi. Has anyone thought that the tgi blueprint absolutely called for an exit at some point? It would be suicide to not have an exit plan happening after a year to 18 months max of active sourcing here at meso.
Any successful plan to source has to have an exit plan.
He will regroup and come back after 4 to 6 months...the longer the better where self preservation is concerned.
He should have a new name with perhaps his supporting crew sporting different names...or, to turn his nose up to LE he could have a new lab name but be supported by iceman, mac, and, if he is alive, teabagger.
By the time LE catches on it will be time to take a vacation again.
The time he should remain active following his first large scale succeess should be about 6 months shorter than the first.
The reason for this is there wont be time needed to build sales and support. It will quickly get around to members that tgi is back and back for 6 to 8 months. Sales will spike within a week of returning.
Retire....repeat.
I havent read tgi's final posts. He may have taken the opportunity to take a few parting jabs at myself and others. He remained disciplined and mature for the most part. I'm certain there were times his ego wanted to lash out but he stuck to the plan.
All that easy money and safe getaway will sooth anything that bothered him this past year.
I gotta hand it to him. A job well done and a recipe for success that few can duplicate.
He's allowing others the chance to eat.
Any former tgi customers should make a note in the email when ordering from any other source. Demand the source thank tgi for the opportunity to make a sale and show what they can do. Wouldnt be possible without the break.

I post here and there, definitely not one that has time or interest in lots of chatting on Meso. I do love the forum and it’s the only one I frequent. Yesterday confused the shit out of me and still I have no idea where or why @StanfordPharma and narcos got brought into things. As far as TGI he’s been a GREAT source and really did a good job of filling the shoes of POTG who he admittedly looked up to. As @biggerben69 said there was a whole lot of off topic banter which I didn’t think much of, good or bad, sometimes I didn’t like sitting through it all but it is what it is. What I can say is that this post has at least given me some insight into what the older members might be thinking. I’m not agreeing that TGI should’ve left but I’m am agreeing that with all of the activity there was certainly people watching that nobody here would want watching. I think @biggerben69 did offer some good advice as to how a source should handle his business within the market which includes breaks and changes for security. I’m not an old member and don’t know those guys, I don’t interact too often with anybody unless I may weigh in on someone’s question. I don’t have a Meso group of friends but enjoy everyone’s shared information. I guess I’m just saying weather I agree or disagree with some, none, or all of what he said, I thank @biggerben69 for his explanation and to me it seems to be an actual honest synopsis of things as he and others may see things, right or wrong it adds some sort of clarity to this mess.

 

[puckhog]

I have been working with @MacBuilt for over 3 months. He never once suggested I use AAS. When we did talk PED’s TGI was not mentioned even a single time. His focus was and is on proper nutrition and working your ass off in the gym. I will not be believed, but thats okay. Mac will always be a TGI shill in the eyes of the uninformed.

Some of the theories here are way off base. The truth will never come out. It can’t. Someone will have to call themselves out for being a low life and trying to roll TGI.

Something else I find interesting is the fact that Stanford opened up his doors to the public right before TGI decided (was forced) to leave meso. Coincidence? Who knows.

I have nothing against Stan. I am sure Stanford will continue to thrive, even more so now. He has always done right by his customers and his customer service is always %100 on point.

If this was a game, Stanford wins. Nice play.

 

[Heavy Iron]

If you really look at the steady relentless posting could only keep the pace it kept with sustained effort. It worked very well.

What worked very well. I guess I just don't understand the end game of this awareness. Yes there was a lot of shit posting and fucking around in the thread. But there is also a TON of testing done as far as raws, finished product, and blood work. This outweighs the shit posting in my book.

aware of my travels having to do with this lifestyle we live and my contributions to it.
None of what i do intersects in anyway with any domestic source on meso or any open to all board.

I'm not quite sure what this means except maybe you source on a private board? I have no idea. If that were the case then of course one would assume you might have some agenda and that's where the behind the scene concern is. But once again this is speculation.

Its a rat move but also a move that wouldn't increase the Risk or approach anything like the risk/danger tgi puts himself every day he takes orders from members on a google indexed public steroid forum like meso.

I agree. I'm sure TGI will continue doing what he is doing. I don't think him backing out of meso has anything to do with that. And some guy calling his local LE office about an online steroid source is going be looked at with a minimum of concern considering I doubt they have an online crimes unit it would be passed along and eventually land with someone that says "oh we know about meso" like you said.

Any domestic source listed and with an active thread cannot be called Private or claim that they are as safe and as far from incarceration as a source who serves any private pasword protected board. Its not possible.

I think the verbiage of "private" is taken out of context for many. Private on his end. Meaning he selects and can control who orders from him.


In the end of all this, despite the drama, meso took a hit on a great domestic source. I used TGI because I wanted to run gear that wasn't made by myself. And be able to give back to the community in the sense of blood work.

There are some things that don't add up to me though. And it's the fact that TGI did leave and we're left to believe it was because of some drama that wouldn't really affect him. There has to be another reason. And to "unveil" a clock work system of shit posting to build an empire is a moot point because there is a ton of testing, no real issues, quick TA, proper gear, and happy people. Even IF, and I emphasize IF some members were pushing TGIs agenda and gear it doesn't really impact anything. People were getting their products and were happy.

 

[flenser]

MESO is currently enjoying an unusually low active scammer population, but when I came here in 2013 the place was lousy with them. Ben was an old timer even then, and you ignored his advise at your own risk. My first three orders, for example, were from total scammers.

I have no doubt those scammers are still hanging around. There just happens to be quality raws available at decent prices right now making honest sourcing just as profitable. When that changes, and it will, the underground will once again explode with scams, and with otherwise honest sources self destructing by delivering bad gear and not having access to quality replacements. Don't think for a second those honest sources are going to make good on bad orders. The gear won't be available, and they will have already spent your money.

I don't have an opinion on whether any particular source is a scammer. They all are IMO, if not today then next year. Ben is right to call out issues in source threads that might mask problems. And now as before you ignore his advise at your own risk.

 

[88general88]

All I know is I never got my tinfoil hat or my secret decoder ring in the mail....

Sucks 4 uuuuuuuuuu !!!!! Lol
Me neither

 

[Mac11wildcat]

MESO is currently enjoying an unusually low active scammer population, but when I came here in 2013 the place was lousy with them. Ben was an old timer even then, and you ignored his advise at your own risk. My first three orders, for example, were from total scammers.

I have no doubt those scammers are still hanging around. There just happens to be quality raws available at decent prices right now making honest sourcing just as profitable. When that changes, and it will, the underground will once again explode with scams, and with otherwise honest sources self destructing by delivering bad gear and not having access to quality replacements. Don't think for a second those honest sources are going to make good on bad orders. The gear won't be available, and they will have already spent your money.

I don't have an opinion on whether any particular source is a scammer. They all are IMO, if not today then next year. Ben is right to call out issues in source threads that might mask problems. And now as before you ignore his advise at your own risk.

There wasn’t advice. Only attacks and threats. And without logic, the only obvious motivation comes down to cash or loyalties. Plain and simple. Is that that it was? Don’t know. But it sure as shit looked like an orchestrated hit to oust TGI. All this talk about harm reduction, protecting people. That’s all great. Love it. But it’s also great cover when behavior is inexplicably erratic, littered with baseless accusation and threats. There’s NOTHING stopping any member from being as disingenuous or out to scam people as any source. This is an anonymous forum. You have NO idea who’s in bed with who. And you have no idea what any other man’s price is to abandon whatever principles you thought he stood by in the past.

TGI is off Meso. The thread is still gonna be shitpost city. Stop by for a good time. Come in and continue this nonsense. Whatever you like. Everything about what started a few months ago is absurd.

 

[flenser]

There wasn’t advice. Only attacks and threats. And without logic, the only obvious motivation comes down to cash or loyalties. Plain and simple. All this talk about harm reduction, protecting people, whatever. That’s all great. Love it. But it’s also great cover when behavior is inexplicably erratic, littered with baseless accusation and threats. There’s NOTHING stopping any member from being as disingenuous or out to scam people as any source. This is an anonymous forum. You have NO idea who’s in bed with who. And you have no idea what any other man’s price is to abandon whatever principles you thought he stood by in the past.

TGI is off Meso. The thread is still gonna be shitpost city. Stop by for a good time. Come in and continue this nonsense. Whatever you like. Everything about what started a few months ago is absurd.

I don't read those forums anymore, but I remember what they are like. Attacks and threats from Ben??! No, tell me it isn't so...

I don't disagree with you on anything you wrote except maybe the part about me not having an idea of who's in bed with whom. I really do, but I'm done following that stuff. It's too much work and for too little return.

 

[Monstar]

Ben is right to call out issues in source threads that might mask problems. And now as before you ignore his advise at your own risk.

I don't think that was ever the issue or disputed. His tactics, effectiveness, and real motivation here absolutely were. Just because he didn't like some people talking he behaved like a raging shit storm attacking everyone and openly threatening them. Btw none of the people even understood a coherent point or a purpose and he was flat out asked numerous times always avoiding so if that was his point at that time...he curiously avoided making it. Typically that's a shady MO and a JV attempt at that.

There is a saying...you will be judged by your effectiveness. In communication you are responsible for the message received not your own intentions and message sent. His actions and conduct accomplished absolutely nothing positive. He played a large part in driving a quality source focused on harm reduction and complying with all requests of the Meso community out. He pissed off, threatened and attacked numerous quality members without any basis. Seriously, if that's considered a team player functioning on behalf of the community...this place is fucked.

 

[Cityofgrit]

TGI is off Meso. The thread is still gonna be shitpost city. Stop by for a good time. Come in and continue this nonsense. Whatever you like. Everything about what started a few months ago is absurd.

All of which belongs in General Discussion and not in a source thread.

 

[Cityofgrit]

@flenser I would recommend reading what Ben said and not taking anyone's word for it.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

@flenser I would recommend reading what Ben said and not taking anyone's word for it.

He threatened to identify members. That threat was brushed off by the powers that be as a joke which is his decision to make. We all got over it. But that’s a fact. Ben’s behavior upon entering that thread was threatening, condescending, and erratic. There’s no debate there. Good intentions don’t usually accompany somebody hiding their reasoning and evidence for an accusation.

 

[flenser]

I don't think that was ever the issue or disputed. His tactics, effectiveness, and real motivation here absolutely were. Just because he didn't like some people talking he behaved like a raging shit storm attacking everyone and openly threatening them. Btw none of the people even understood a coherent point or a purpose and he was flat out asked numerous times always avoiding so if that was his point at that time...he curiously avoided making it. Typically that's a shady MO and a JV attempt at that.

There is a saying...you will be judged by your effectiveness. In communication you are responsible for the message received not your own intentions and message sent. His actions and conduct accomplished absolutely nothing positive. He played a large part in driving a quality source focused on harm reduction and complying with all requests of the Meso community out. He pissed off, threatened and attacked numerous quality members without any basis. Seriously, if that's considered a team player functioning on behalf of the community...this place is fucked.

If Ben's goal was to run off the source, do you think he was effective? TBH I don't know why he did what he did, but I've learned when he shows up it's wise to pack my shit and get out. Whether he is a profit or an agitator is not my problem.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

If Ben's goal was to run off the source, do you think he was effective? TBH I don't know why he did what he did, but I've learned when he shows up it's wise to pack my shit and get out. Whether he is a profit or an agitator is not my problem.

This is an absolutely irresponsible and careless way to let a member operate, IMO. And reinforces that some guys here can do whatever the fuck they want. Good work Meso.

Respecting baseless accusations against anybody here is dumb as all fucking hell.

Funny how when this dragged in Stanford and Millard the good old boys freak the fuck out. But the same sort of nonsense brought against another source is treated as fact. That’s a JOKE. And anyone acting in that way is free of integrity; credibility shot.

 

[Big Swole Papa Smurf]

First off. Saying that is not how source threads should be is just opinion. Where is chapter 35 that is a secret chapter on how source threads should be run?
And the argument saying it sits things up to be bad is like saying your guilty of something before proof is even giving.

Look you know why that thread was so popular? Because members that purchase products off a site from ppl they don’t know is intimidating and can be very scary esp for new members.
But the fact that you can read your sources day to day posts, along with others makes it a little more personal and not as intimidating.
Plus you also know that any problems will be posted ASAP.

Ben you have a flair with words and some of your posts even resemble an intelligent, non biased point.
However you didn’t come across quite as eloquently when you entered the TGI thread.

And your even smart enough to throw some finely veiled positive comments TGI’S way.

Did you ever think that members wanted to be part of something good in TGI’S thread the same as you wanted to be included in the old guard. See you answered everyone’s questions already.
Why do they prop TGI up and why do you prop meso’s Culture up? Because that’s what you believe in and that is what you want to be a part of.
Is there a wrong or a right here?
No need to answer, cause you realize what I mean. Really this is an argument about beliefs. And everyone has right to their own.
I agreed with your points about negative talk about females, as I got daughters myself. But you parlayed that into shills, and scams.
Everyone on this site wishes they could make an extra penny. I’m not gonna knock anyone for accomplishing this.
Mac didn’t go in business with TGI and that’s absurd to even say that.
TGI didn’t give free gear out to anyone.
That’s absurd to

 

[Cityofgrit]

This is an absolutely irresponsible and careless way to let a member operate, IMO. And reinforces that some guys here can do whatever the fuck they want. Good work Meso.

Respecting baseless accusations against anybody here is dumb as all fucking hell.

Funny how when this dragged in Stanford and Millard the good old boys freak the fuck out. But the same sort of nonsense brought against another source is treated as fact. That’s a JOKE. And anyone acting in that way is free of integrity; credibility shot.

It's interesting how you keep saying the term baseless accusations, while implying things which are your own baseless accusations. You are now just perpetuating the bullshit. So now, because TGI left, on his OWN accord (yes I read his exit statement) Millard and Stanford must be in on some vast conspiracy to oust him. Meanwhile, Pristine's thread is fine, Symbiotic isn't having an issue, the resellers in the underground, not a problem, PPL nothing...so it must have just been a conspiracy against TGI. Do you understand how that sounds? The only people making these claims are the ones that incessantly inhabited TGI's thread. The fact is you have no evidence to back up your claims either, yet you keep making them. Veiled or not, it's pretty clear what you are implying. It's rather hypocritical, and having read your posts, I would have expected better than idle gossip, innuendo, and baseless speculation

 

[Big Swole Papa Smurf]

Haha...I am flattered; I'm on your mind non-stop, seriously though, it's really sad how much time you spend thinking about some random online (me).


Edit: after scrolling through this thread, I am floored that so many people have this much time on their hands. Why are people so loyal to their sources? These are sources and only sources, nothing more. I could understand if you knew them personally, it's all shills with too much free time gossiping online.

Dude just the fact that you don’t have balls to step up until Ben stops thru shows that you are a spineless twerp.
Ben at least came out on his own accord without any protectors, and said his 2 cents. You on the other hand don’t have 1% of the integrity he has. And truth be known, he see’s right thru your fake ass too, and wouldn’t never include you in his list of friends.

 

[Cityofgrit]

Dude just the fact that you don’t have balls to step up until Ben stops thru shows that you are a spineless twerp.
Ben at least came out on his own without any protectors, and said his 2 cents. You on the other hand don’t have 1% of the integrity he has. And truth be known, he see’s right thru your fake ass too, and wouldn’t never include you in his list of friends.

This I can agree with. Fuck @balco. You are a weasel that seems to always be looking for an angle.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

It's interesting how you keep saying the term baseless accusations, while implying things which are your own baseless accusations. You are now just perpetuating the bullshit. So now, because TGI left, on his OWN accord (yes I read his exit statement) Millard and Stanford must be in on some vast conspiracy to oust him. Meanwhile, Pristine's thread is fine, Symbiotic isn't having an issue, the resellers in the underground, not a problem, PPL nothing...so it must have just been a conspiracy against TGI. Do you understand how that sounds? The only people making these claims are the ones that incessantly inhabited TGI's thread. The fact is you have no evidence to back up your claims either, yet you keep making them. Veiled or not, it's pretty clear what you are implying. It's rather hypocritical, and having read your posts, I would have expected better than idle gossip, innuendo, and baseless speculation

I have, not ONE TIME, made the accusation against Stanford. Not even hinted that might be true. Zero speculation.