Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[hometeam]

You're one ignorant wretch.

Washington is doing everything you accuse Russia of doing.

Your mind works just like Putin's. Every time there's a color revolution or Arab Spring or something going on in Ukraine or Georgia the US is involved, right? Because he's an old KGB agent ruling with an iron fist and paranoia is a part of his thinking.

But you don't know what you're talking about. You want to know what the US really did when Putin started arming and paying rebel militias in Ukraine? Antony Blinkin talks about it here:

View: https://youtu.be/2jXLcCrLrh4?t=1546

There was a debate in the Obama White House about arming Ukraine. In the end Obama decided that was a losing battle, that it was right on Russia's border and they could arm these militias more effectively and escalate, and that Russia's economy was their weak point so they would hit Russia with sanctions.

Russia didn't even get javelin missiles until Trump entered the White House, and that was because after the Steele Dossier and Russian election interference he didn't want to look weak on Russia. So again it's you condemning the US for doing things we know for a fact Russia is doing and you're fine with, and the US hasn't even been doing it. We haven't been arming separatist militias in Ukraine like Russia has since 2014. We didn't give Ukraine any weapons until Trump and then it was just javelin/stinger missiles and some training.

 

[Hughinn]

Your mind works just like Putin's. Every time there's a color revolution or Arab Spring or something going on in Ukraine or Georgia the US is involved, right? Because he's an old KGB agent ruling with an iron fist and paranoia is a part of his thinking.

But you don't know what you're talking about. You want to know what the US really did when Putin started arming and paying rebel militias in Ukraine? Antony Blinkin talks about it here:

View: https://youtu.be/2jXLcCrLrh4?t=1546

There was a debate in the Obama White House about arming Ukraine. In the end Obama decided that was a losing battle, that it was right on Russia's border and they could arm these militias more effectively and escalate, and that Russia's economy was their weak point so they would hit Russia with sanctions.

Russia didn't even get javelin missiles until Trump entered the White House, and that was because after the Steele Dossier and Russian election interference he didn't want to look weak on Russia. So again it's you condemning the US for doing things we know for a fact Russia is doing and you're fine with, and the US hasn't even been doing it. We haven't been arming separatist militias in Ukraine like Russia has since 2014. We didn't give Ukraine any weapons until Trump and then it was just javelin/stinger missiles and some training.

Lmfao

You really are a delusional idiot

Pentagon press release in 2015


U.S. Begins Second Phase of Ukrainian Training, Equipping Mission

Some snippets showing you the lying POS you are

The United States has begun the second phase of its Fearless Guardian mission to train and equip Ukrainian forces, Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis said today.

The United States has committed more than $265 million in equipment and training to the mission, Davis told reporters at the Pentagon.

In other words, Washington has been training and arming Ukrainian militia since 2014.


The effort, which Congress approved in 2014, is to help Ukraine secure its border, operate more effectively, and preserve and enforce its territorial integrity, the spokesman said.

So you've lied..... again..

The US has been arming and training ukranian forces to fight a civil war against ethnic Russian people in Donbass since 2014 by the Pentagons own press releases


You're honestly one stupid pathetic bastard

 

[Hughinn]

Somebody has to be the world's sole superpower otherwise you have a bunch of minor powers at each other's throats. Constant conflict, instability. Russia/Ukraine, China/Taiwan, N Korea/S Korea, Iraq/Kuwait, Yugoslavia/Serbia... And we know you hate war. If you were to pick a country to keep the rest of the world in line who would that be? Who is meant for it other than America?

Lmfao

"Somebody has to rule the world to keep everyone else in line"

Sorta outed yourself for the empirical fascism supporting bitch you are right there.

Every empire falls to barbarians you soft handed pussy. Yours will too

 

[hometeam]

Lmfao

You really are a delusional idiot

Pentagon press release in 2015


U.S. Begins Second Phase of Ukrainian Training, Equipping Mission

Some snippets showing you the lying POS you are

The United States has begun the second phase of its Fearless Guardian mission to train and equip Ukrainian forces, Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis said today.

The United States has committed more than $265 million in equipment and training to the mission, Davis told reporters at the Pentagon.

In other words, Washington has been training and arming Ukrainian militia since 2014.


The effort, which Congress approved in 2014, is to help Ukraine secure its border, operate more effectively, and preserve and enforce its territorial integrity, the spokesman said.

So you've lied..... again..

The US has been arming and training ukranian forces to fight a civil war against ethnic Russian people in Donbass since 2014 by the Pentagons own press releases


You're honestly one stupid pathetic bastard

That's just some combined arms training, and to the Ukrainian military not "coup" forcing militias. We do that routinely with many allies. The fact is there was a debate in the Obama White House about arming Ukraine and Obama decided not to. Here you can see ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul talk about the debate. He said he was for arming Ukraine but Obama worried about Russian escalation:

View: https://youtu.be/CiKZPRoqOpg?t=1921


Here you can see CIA Director William Burns talk about how we provided some purely defensive assistance to Ukraine but after some debate Obama decided to not send anti-tank missiles or offensive capabilities or any heavy weaponry:

View: https://youtu.be/iP8BfC1e0Ug?t=2101


So it's not a lie. You know what a lie is? It's when Putin said there were no little green men in Crimea, when he said he knew nothing about chemical weapons in Syria, that he didn't interfere in US elections, that he had no ties to the militias in the Donbas even though he was negotiating for them... These G8 leaders say they would go to a summit a Putin would stare in their face and boldly lie. Angela Merkel would say "Putin don't be stupid" and Obama would say "We have eyes, we can see."

But the point is you're condemning the US for a "coup," and we didn't even arm separatist militias like Russia did. This guy Yanukovich had his special police force fire on protesters (the FSB was there not the CIA), after that parliament demanded he resign, then he fled to Russia and didn't come back. You've yet to say what you think the US did here. You just keep condemning the US for doing things we know for a fact Russia is doing and you're fine with, and the US hasn't even been doing it. The US didn't invade Ukraine, and yet it's as if you condemn the US for invading Ukraine.

"Somebody has to rule the world to keep everyone else in line"

Sorta outed yourself for the empirical fascism supporting bitch you are right there.

It's not just me. It's anyone who is an expert on geopolitics will tell you the world is a better place with just one superpower: more stable, more prosperity, less conflict. You're just woefully uneducated on this a reading books from libertarian talk show hosts saying "down with the government!"

If you're going to have one country upholding their values across the world, would you want it to be the US values of democracy, respecting each others borders, free speech and press, free religion etc?

Or would you want it to be Putin's Russia values of bullying and expanding into neighbors, revanchism, the big lie, the iron fist? Or Xi's values that Taiwan is China, Zero Covid, human rights abuses?

 

[Hughinn]

That's just some combined arms training, and to the Ukrainian military not "coup" forcing militias. We do that routinely with many allies. The fact is there was a debate in the Obama White House about arming Ukraine and Obama decided not to. Here you can see ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul talk about the debate. He said he was for arming Ukraine but Obama worried about Russian escalation:

View: https://youtu.be/CiKZPRoqOpg?t=1921


Here you can see CIA Director William Burns talk about how we provided some purely defensive assistance to Ukraine but after some debate Obama decided to not send anti-tank missiles or offensive capabilities or any heavy weaponry:

View: https://youtu.be/iP8BfC1e0Ug?t=2101


So it's not a lie. You know what a lie is? It's when Putin said there were no little green men in Crimea, when he said he knew nothing about chemical weapons in Syria, that he didn't interfere in US elections, that he had no ties to the militias in the Donbas even though he was negotiating for them... These G8 leaders say they would go to a summit a Putin would stare in their face and boldly lie. Angela Merkel would say "Putin don't be stupid" and Obama would say "We have eyes, we can see."

But the point is you're condemning the US for a "coup," and we didn't even arm separatist militias like Russia did. This guy Yanukovich had his special police force fire on protesters (the FSB was there not the CIA), after that parliament demanded he resign, then he fled to Russia and didn't come back. You've yet to say what you think the US did here. You just keep condemning the US for doing things we know for a fact Russia is doing and you're fine with, and the US hasn't even been doing it. The US didn't invade Ukraine, and yet it's as if you condemn the US for invading Ukraine.


It's not just me. It's anyone who is an expert on geopolitics will tell you the world is a better place with just one superpower: more stable, more prosperity, less conflict. You're just woefully uneducated on this a reading books from libertarian talk show hosts saying "down with the government!"

If you're going to have one country upholding their values across the world, would you want it to be the US values of democracy, respecting each others borders, free speech and press, free religion etc?

Or would you want it to be Putin's Russia values of bullying and expanding into neighbors, revanchism, the big lie, the iron fist? Or Xi's values that Taiwan is China, Zero Covid, human rights abuses?

Lmfao

"They weren't arming and training ukranian militias, they were just giving them weapons and teaching them how to use them" - @hometeam

ROFL . Priceless

But even better..

"It's not the US government trying to rule the world, it's Putin" because"he's a megalomaniac supervillain bent on world domination, not US"

But then

"Somebody has to rule the world because it's a better place that way and it's better if we do it, because we know what's good for everyone else" - @hometeam


What a dumbass bitch.

You really are one fucked up ignorant assed liberal lefty POS. Through and through

Making yourself look stupid while claiming to be "educated and enlightened"
Lmfao

 

[hometeam]

Lmfao

"They weren't arming and training ukranian militias, they were just giving them weapons and teaching them how to use them" - @hometeam

Did you even read the article you posted? These weren't militias it was the regular Ukrainian army. As Burns, Blinken and McFaul says, whatever help they were given was pretty limited too because Obama didn't want Russia escalating and rolling their tanks into Ukraine. They did that anyway 8 years later. Javelin missiles was something Obama was urged to send but he refused.

And the regular Ukrainian army had nothing to do with any "coup." The Russian FSB and Yanukovich's Berkut did while firing on those protesters. It's Russia that has been recruiting and arming militias trying to overthrow the government in Ukraine, and they succeeded in a few provinces. Yet you're fine with this. And you talk about how horrible our government is, well show me one that is better.

 

[Hughinn]

Did you even read the article you posted? These weren't militias it was the regular Ukrainian army. As Burns, Blinken and McFaul says, whatever help they were given was pretty limited too because Obama didn't want Russia escalating and rolling their tanks into Ukraine. They did that anyway 8 years later. Javelin missiles was something Obama was urged to send but he refused.

Lmfao



"Ok so they were arming and training ukranian forces, but it wasn't a militia it was just the army" - @hometeam

Hilarious!

And the regular Ukrainian army had nothing to do with any "coup." The Russian FSB and Yanukovich's Berkut did while firing on those protesters. It's Russia that has been recruiting and arming militias trying to overthrow the government in Ukraine, and they succeeded in a few provinces.

"We're not trying to take over the world, Putin is" - @hometeam

Yet you're fine with this. And you talk about how horrible our government is, well show me one that is better.

"Okay we're trying to take over the world, but we deserve to be in charge because we're the ones who know what everyone else wants" - @hometeam

Dude, your really a stupid bitch of a leftist idiot.

You're embarrassing yourself

 

[hometeam]

"We're not trying to take over the world, Putin is" - @hometeam

Lol maybe you haven't figured this out yet but the United States is such a great country, we don't have to rule others like Putin wants to. Why would we make another country the 51st state when (unless they're an Islamic country like Iran or communist like North Korea) they already want to be us?

So you can rant all you want about our globalist corporations, but other countries wish they had that. A St Peterburg, Russia worker (where Putin loyalist oligarchs run the industries) gets paid half what they do 3 hours away in Finland for the same work. You can rant about the power and influence Washington has worldwide but you can't name a better country to have that. Biden isn't killing journalists and rivals, expanding our borders.

So you need to get a bit of perspective on this instead of the small minded rants about how things aren't perfect in Washington. If there's a noticeably significantly better country (or form of govt and economy), name it.

 

[hometeam]

And this is where the Soviets had military bases:

Putin's Russia has troops in Armenia, Belarus, Moldova, parts of Georgia, he sent them into Khazakstan and Syria. If Russia had the kind of economy and military power the US had you can bet he'd have bases all over the world and they wouldn't be welcomed there so much as the majority of American bases.

Part of the WWIII strategy is to have your forces distributed instead of concentrated in one country that can be nuked. And Putin knows NATO isn't going to add a country he has his troops in.

And this is why I've told you having one sole superpower is better. Would you want 2 or more countries doing this? We know Putin does.

 

[Hughinn]

And this is where the Soviets had military bases:

Putin's Russia has troops in Armenia, Belarus, Moldova, parts of Georgia, he sent them into Khazakstan and Syria. If Russia had the kind of economy and military power the US had you can bet he'd have bases all over the world and they wouldn't be welcomed there so much as the majority of American bases.

Part of the WWIII strategy is to have your forces distributed instead of concentrated in one country that can be nuked. And Putin knows NATO isn't going to add a country he has his troops in.

And this is why I've told you having one sole superpower is better. Would you want 2 or more countries doing this? We know Putin does.

All I can tell you're childish and stupid ass is that the days of one sole superpower is ending. At least for the US.

The days of "soft warfare" or going around the world toppling governments you don't like and spending trillions of dollars to try to convince Afghan tribal boys that they need to have LBGTQ people teaching thier children to loathe thier own masculinity and afghan girls to hate white men are over.

A multipolar world of various different nations is rising and the US empire is in decline. Everyone sees it.

The only question is how we handle it.

It's unlikely we'll remain intact as liberalism dominating all aspects of institutions and government has made it intolerable for half the countrys people and a balkanization is likely imminent.

Then we'll see how good for the world liberalism really is. Because y'all have never been able to sell it without soldiers and guns to enforce it. And without conservative white men, you won't have much of either

 

[Hughinn]

And this is where the Soviets had military bases:

Interesting contrast lmfao

You're really an ignorant person. That's the Soviet Union, a much more dominant and powerful alliance than the Russian federation.

And the contrast of encroaching powers upon each other is undeniable.

Shoots your BS narrative to shreds

Putin's Russia has troops in Armenia, Belarus, Moldova, parts of Georgia, he sent them into Khazakstan and Syria. If Russia had the kind of economy and military power the US had you can bet he'd have bases all over the world and they wouldn't be welcomed there so much as the majority of American bases.

Part of the WWIII strategy is to have your forces distributed instead of concentrated in one country that can be nuked. And Putin knows NATO isn't going to add a country he has his troops in.

And this is why I've told you having one sole superpower is better. Would you want 2 or more countries doing this? We know Putin does.

 

[Hughinn]

And the regular Ukrainian army had nothing to do with any "coup." The Russian FSB and Yanukovich's Berkut did while firing on those protesters.

This idiot @hometeam has been parroting this bullshit lie incessantly.

He keeps saying it over and over pretending like it makes any sense despite the obvious fact that he has no evidence to support it.

He's parroting bullshit propoganda, that's it.

The fact is, nobody knows for sure who fired on those maidan protesters.

Evidence of the scene including thousands of eyewitness accounts and hundreds of injured people all point to the fact that those shots came from MAIDAN CONTROLLED BUILDINGS!!!

see here :

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine

So if you're capable of the ridiculous mental gymnastics @hometeam is spewing, the Ukrainian police, snuck into buildings held by armed protesters and CIA organizers, made their way to the top floor and fired thousands of rounds, then crept away undetected by anybody.

And did so knowing full well it would escalate a violent uprising they had tried to calm down and get themselves condemnation from the international community and eliminate any possibility of holding on to power themselves.

Now if you believe @hometeam and that stupid bullshit, then that's your choice.


Because the only reasonable alternative is that the shots came from element's inside the maidan organizers group themselves and did so to escalate a situation they had brought about into a violent conflict to creat the chaos that would give them the opportunity they needed to oust the current government and take control for themselves.

It's not hard to see.

Believe what you want, even that idiot @hometeam if it makes you feel better

 

[Big_paul]

This idiot @hometeam has been parroting this bullshit lie incessantly

Now if you believe @hometeam and that stupid bullshit, then that's your choice.

Believe what you want, even that idiot @hometeam if it makes you feel better

Hugh who is your audience? It's clear almost everyone disagrees with you.

The only difference is we don't call you an idiot, a fucked up ignorant ass Russian bot, a dumbass bitch, empirical fascist bitch, childish stupid ass, soft handed pussy, stupid bitch leftist idiot, fucked up conservative ass pos, delusional idiot, did I leave anything out? And this is from one page only.

Grow the fuck up.

 

[Hughinn]

And the regular Ukrainian army had nothing to do with any "coup." The Russian FSB and Yanukovich's Berkut did while firing on those protesters.

This idiot @hometeam has been parroting this bullshit lie incessantly.

He keeps saying it over and over pretending like it makes any sense despite the obvious fact that he has no evidence to support it.

He's parroting bullshit propoganda, that's it.

The fact is, nobody knows for sure who fired on those maidan protesters.

Evidence of the scene including thousands of eyewitness accounts and hundreds of injured people all point to the fact that those shots came from MAIDAN CONTROLLED BUILDINGS!!!

see here :

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine

So if you're capable of the ridiculous mental gymnastics @hometeam is spewing, the Ukrainian police, snuck into buildings held by armed protesters and CIA organizers, made their way to the top floor and fired thousands of rounds, then crept away undetected by anybody.

And did so knowing full well it would escalate a violent uprising they had tried to calm down and get themselves condemnation from the international community and eliminate any possibility of holding on to power themselves.

Now if you believe @hometeam and that stupid bullshit, then that's your choice.


Because the only reasonable alternative is that the shots came element's inside the maidan organizers group themselves and did so to escalate a situation into violence and chaos that would give them the opportunity they needed to oust the current government and take control for themselves.

It's not hard to

Hugh who is your audience? It's clear almost everyone disagrees with you.

No Paul, just idiot lefty's

The only difference is we don't call you an idiot, a fucked up ignorant ass Russian bot, a dumbass bitch, empirical fascist bitch, childish stupid ass, soft handed pussy, stupid bitch leftist idiot, fucked up conservative ass pos, delusional idiot, did I leave anything out? And this is from one page only.

Grow the fuck up.

And if you think this is some kind of fairytale bullshit storyline between a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination and the good guys trying to save the world, then your just as stupid as @hometeam

And the reason you don't debate against it on this, is because you know you can't.

And not because I'm smarter than you, because I'm not. But I've got facts, reason and logic tied to my position and not simply propoganda and hysteria

 

[hometeam]

Hugh who is your audience? It's clear almost everyone disagrees with you.

Well he hates Biden and so he's gone down the right wing libertarian rabbit hole listening to people like Scott Horton and "educating" himself on how Biden and liberals are destroying the country and world. And he's got anarchist, anti-capitalist and homophobic views that align with Russia and were either formed before this rabbit hole or after.

But the moment you become a Putin lover because you despise Biden and everything he does is the moment you lose perspective and begin to become brainwashed. You have to go find libertarian news sources because the mainstream free press is lying.

And, ya know, Russia lies through their teeth: "we didn't start this war NATO did", "The Ukrainians are planning to blow up a dirty bomb on their own territory", "the Ukrainians blew up the prison with Ukrainian POWs in it" and going to "blow up their own reactor." "There was an agreement not to expand NATO." If you read the Gerosimov Doctrine (Gerosimov now being in charge of the war) it is big on information warfare, propaganda, misinformation/disinformation, deception, bots, the big lie:

New generation warfare - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Information warfare is cheap and Putin has an advantage here because he can control much of the information in Russia yet information flows freely in our society - you have easy access to Russian lies if he wants to pump all these alternative news channels full of them. People who oppose Biden might believe them.

So @Hughinn ends up condemning the US for doing things we know for a fact Russia is doing and he's fine with, and we aren't even doing it. He hates Ukraine and the US aid as much as he hates Biden, and this is how much he hates Biden:
"But I know enough about them, and Joe Biden to tell them all to kiss my fuckin ass. As I'd rather cut their necks than shake their hands.
Because Joe Biden doesn't get to decide where I live, what I believe and where my grandchildren will die. I won't bow before the idols of wokeness and empire"
"Joe Biden and the DNC need a Pearl harbor, and they just might stage one"
"This shit is beyond ridiculous at this point. Joe Biden is a fuckin moron. Anybody still supporting him is a brainless, witless fuckin idiot. "
""Joe Biden is far more likely to be thrown out of office for this mess than Putin, and before it's all over, he just might"
"Who here thinks for one second any of the cowards in our current administration would stay in Washington while it was shelled?
Joe Biden would certainly be in a bunker somewhere eating smashed peas and shitting himself in a diaper."
"the lying corrupt bastard Joe Biden would have to admit his own fault in this situation and he won't do that. "

 

[hometeam]

There's not much reasoning with someone who is that radical. You can only point out that A didn't invade B because of C, that it's not just Biden helping Ukraine 40 different countries have sent aid and 140 countries have condemned Russia, that if we provoke Russia they certainly provoked NATO, that Putin's been arming separatist militias since 2014 and Obama actually made decisions such as withholding the javelin trying to prevent escalation and invasion, and that no matter how much you like or hate the guy Americans currently elected Western values such as democracy and liberal capitalism and respecting borders are better than Russia's autocracy and oligarch kleptocracy and expansionism, that those dictators siding with Russia are oppressive people compared to Western leaders supporting Ukraine, that Ukrainians are better off being Ukraine than Russia and we have an interest in containing Russian expansion.

The way things are is a good thing and I'm not sure what happened to @Hughinn to think the world is such a bad place and think it with such vitriol.

 

[Hughinn]

There's not much reasoning with someone who is that radical. You can only point out that A didn't invade B because of C, that it's not just Biden helping Ukraine 40 different countries have sent aid and 140 countries have condemned Russia, that if we provoke Russia they certainly provoked NATO, that Putin's been arming separatist militias since 2014 and Obama actually made decisions such as withholding the javelin trying to prevent escalation and invasion, and that no matter how much you like or hate the guy Americans currently elected Western values such as democracy and liberal capitalism and respecting borders are better than Russia's autocracy and oligarch kleptocracy and expansionism, that those dictators siding with Russia are oppressive people compared to Western leaders supporting Ukraine, that Ukrainians are better off being Ukraine than Russia and we have an interest in containing Russian expansion.

The way things are is a good thing and I'm not sure what happened to @Hughinn to think the world is such a bad place and think it with such vitriol.

You're a flat out fukkin idiot.

And you show it over and over

There is a pretty strong argument that Russia did have to invade, as I've laid out here multiple times.
US Rand Study 2019 predicted a Russian military response to the actions by the US state department leading up to the coup and the arming of ukranian militias.

They ignored it and took those actions anyway.

You spew meaningless bullshit propoganda over and over about "Russia bad" "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination" and "unprovoked invasion" blah blah. Shit MSNBC and DNC propoganda networks say constantly....and you're all lying.

Blame Putin, blame Russia, blame the bad orange man.... stupid phaggot ass liberal bullshit.

However, To me, it's less about blame and more about holding MY country accountable for their actions which led to this.

And more importantly, calling a ceasefire and finding a path to peace.

If you're just too stupid to understand that and too indoctrinated to see your own contradiction and stupidity, then just go fuck yourself.

And don't speak for @Big_paul .
He's smarter than you and can speak for himself. He may not agree on some details. But I know he's rational enough to know that ongoing war is a benifit to nobody but lobbyists and Washington insiders.

And that's a hell of alot more than what can be said for you

 

[hometeam]

There is a pretty strong argument that Russia did have to invade, as I've laid out here multiple times.
US Rand Study 2019 predicted a Russian military response to the actions by the US state department leading up to the coup and the arming of ukranian militias.

There is a weak but legitimate argument from "realists" and debated by "idealists" in circles of geopolitical experts, but it's not the argument you think it is. I've shown you a debate like this:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhgWLmd7mCo

where four of the most knowledgeable and experienced people in the world on this debated it and you said something like "a bunch of puppets and idiots, my libertarian podcaster knows better." You've been radicalized enough to think if it doesn't come from your sources it's all lies. The problem is your libertarian mouthpieces are taking these expert's arguments, adding some of Putin's misinformation, and adding stuff from the libertarian blogosphere to fit the anti-Biden, small government agenda. It's an agenda you believe in so you eat it up.

But the stuff about Putin had to invade, was intentionally manipulated into invading, was forced to invade doesn't hold up to scrutiny - no one credible says that. The closest Mearsheimer comes is saying "Putin thought NATO is a threat and it doesn't matter if you think NATO was a threat or it really was a threat or he was reasonable to think that, it only matter that he thought it was" and so we should've been more careful not to anger him by adding countries and taking his sphere of influence because he's a big dumb bear who can't help but attack if angered. But he's trying to read Putin's mind here and the poll at the end showed he lost the debate.

So you're promoting the wrong argument and even the legitimate one is a losing one and held by the minority. Was Putin angry? Yeah, he hates even the existence of NATO. Also doesn't want a West-friendly govt in Ukraine. Was he scared? Not likely. Did he have to invade? Of course not. Could've we been smarter not to anger him? Some people think so.

 

[hometeam]

But he also doesn't see Ukraine as a real country, Ukrainians as a real people, the dissolution of the Soviet Union as a good thing, and his country has been fighting over its borders since before NATO even existed.

 

[lukiss96]

Hugh who is your audience? It's clear almost everyone disagrees with you.

The only difference is we don't call you an idiot, a fucked up ignorant ass Russian bot, a dumbass bitch, empirical fascist bitch, childish stupid ass, soft handed pussy, stupid bitch leftist idiot, fucked up conservative ass pos, delusional idiot, did I leave anything out? And this is from one page only.

Grow the fuck up.

Chill out old man...

I bet you don't know the world outside of your country, who are you to tell anything here anyway?

If you were living closer to this war that was started by US and nato (same thing) you would know the truth. Everybody here talking that uncle Sam is sponsoring this whole money laundering conflict.

So live in your warm dream land America, old man and enjoy life. While we are somehow gonna manage to survive this crisis that whole Europe suffers from now, thanks to who lol. Stick up your expensive gas and all up your ass.

@hometeam wtf, another American telling us how it is... how close have you ever been to any of the countries that you speak off? You only know "truths" from fake ass news. I guess home team should go home and not pretend to be heroes here, go watch your rugby and tell us it's "football" while we Europeans watch real fucking foot ball that you call soccer lol...

It's honestly fucking insane when bunch of Americans start fucking shit up and telling us how it is, come to Europe once in your life and see wtf is up instead of talking from thousands of miles away...

This whole anti Russian thing is out of fucking hand and believe me when I say everyone hates those stupid ass ukr refugees, maybe you guys from dream land wanna take them home huh? We would gladly hand you over them, just please don't return them to us when crimes and other shit happens, okay?

Over.