Secret Sources, the SCOC and the Steroid Underground

[FuriousWO]

No no I agree with that, maybe we're agreeing on the same thing but just looking at it differently. i'm saying rather then telling members "user a,b,c,d,e,f,etc etc are scammers dont buy from them" when the next day "user x,y,z" can pop up and start scamming, we should be telling new members "dont fucking buy over PM ever, that's shady ass shit" we may be agreeing on the same thing though, lemme know

Yes totally agree, but I think it's unrealistic. We can tell everyone don't buy via PM, but we should even more drive home that showing results from Labmax and blood tests should always be part of the culture here.
Anyway I'm out its bedtime

 

[Mr.Bravo]

i agree, fuck that backroom shit. but just because dumbasses still buy does that mean we dont try to educate them? no, we should still try. if we can prevent 9/10 new users from being scammed that's better than 0/10, 1/10, 2/10, etc etc

The main problem I have with this approach is were just a couple tissues short of wiping someones ass. When I joined I think it was about ten months ago I didnt need people to educate me directly I learned from reading a ton. Why cant they do the same instead of feed the vultures? To me we are starting to flirt with hand feeding, if they have queztions sure I will be the first to try and help but they still dont listen. Like that dude you told to use test with w7nny.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Is that why you decided to finally join the discussion? To provide the other side of the argument?

more or less. seeing brutus' thread was probably the biggest catalyst. i liked the ideas he put up and i would love to see those come to fruition.

 

[insertnamehere]

more or less. seeing brutus' thread was probably the biggest catalyst. i liked the ideas he put up and i would love to see those come to fruition.

Fair enough. I look forward to your continued contributions.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Yes totally agree, but I think it's unrealistic. We can tell everyone don't buy via PM, but we should even more drive home that showing results from Labmax and blood tests should always be part of the culture here.
Anyway I'm out its bedtime

on the same note though, do you also agree that it is impossible to stop all the PM sourcers from doing what they're doing? the testing culture is absolutely huge- but too many people dont understand the science behind labmax, hplc, and mass spec. @Dr JIM has a great thread on mass spec/hplc that gives a good intro to those testing methods but even those require some degree of chemistry and lab background.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Fair enough. I look forward to your continued contributions.

thanks, I look forward to your contributions as well

 

[Flounder]

let's not make unjustified assumptions. i said it was just me one this board i wouldnt give a shit. i will never buy anything over PM so PM me all you want, i aint buying shit. however as much as i am selfish fucker IRL, i do want to see change on this board and i hate seeing people get fucked over when they're trying to come on the glorious train which is gear. so do i care if people PM source me? fuck no go ahead. do i care if PM sources exist? fuck yes. will we be able to out every single PM source? fuck no. can we educate members as best as we can to prevent them from buying from PM sources? fuck yes

idk where the disconnect is between you and I @Flounder ?

I think my concern stems from the fact that you say you lurked here for some time. If you have been lurking, you would know a 8 hr member discussing these big issues would be a tough sell. Don't get me wrong, I am all for discussion, but it seems to me like you have an agenda of some sort. Obviously, I'm not the only one feeling this way. If I am wrong about you, then I will apologize when the time is right.

 

[I_know_nothing]

The main problem I have with this approach is were just a couple tissues short of wiping someones ass. When I joined I think it was about ten months ago I didnt need people to educate me directly I learned from reading a ton. Why cant they do the same instead of feed the vultures? To me we are starting to flirt with hand feeding, if they have queztions sure I will be the first to try and help but they still dont listen. Like that dude you told to use test with w7nny.

lmao whinny AND dbol without best bro, i bet he feels great!! dude but you gotta understand, not everyone is like you. people need to be more curious, they need to question everything and keep fucking asking questions- why, how, who. those that dont, what else can we do? we can't teach them to be curious. either we fucking hand feed them or they get ass-fucked. either we wipe their ass or they go around all day with a stinky and sticky ass crack. it sounds fucked up, but what can we do? they're going to do them no matter what at the end of the day.

 

[I_know_nothing]

I think my concern stems from the fact that you say you lurked here for some time. If you have been lurking, you would know a 8 hr member discussing these big issues would be a tough sell. Don't get me wrong, I am all for discussion, but it seems to me like you have an agenda of some sort. Obviously, I'm not the only one feeling this way. If I am wrong about you, then I will apologize when the time is right.

yeah i understand. but im not a person who's gonna take my time to make an account just to lurk more. if im gonna make an account it's because i have something to say. i absolutely have an agenda- and that is to stir up more discussion. i mean this in the nicest way possible but there's too much circlejerking going on. there needs to be someone to give the opposite side. because im new and dont have a rep to carry, i can say whatever the fuck i want and i will.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

The same people who buy from a scamm7ng source that have been warned want the protection that the community provides. I just dont want this community to lose its edge and tolerate dumb people and scammers thats my main concern with some of these ideas.
I agree we need to tolerate newbs better then we have, I think we should still harass new src sometimes you have to shake a tree and see what falls out.

 

[Flounder]

yeah i understand. but im not a person who's gonna take my time to make an account just to lurk more. if im gonna make an account it's because i have something to say. i absolutely have an agenda- and that is to stir up more discussion. i mean this in the nicest way possible but there's too much circlejerking going on. there needs to be someone to give the opposite side. because im new and dont have a rep to carry, i can say whatever the fuck i want and i will.

OK sounds like a plan. I'm curious to hear what the "circle jerking" is exactly?

 

[I_know_nothing]

The same people who buy from a scamm7ng source that have been warned want the protection that the community provides. I just dont want this community to lose its edge and tolerate dumb people and scammers thats my main concern with some of these ideas.
I agree we need to tolerate newbs better then we have, I think we should still harass new src sometimes you have to shake a tree and see what falls out.

lol i see what you're saying. personally i have a very short fuse for dumbasses. but that's one problem with me and im sure others- by being too mean and aggressive and shit to new dumbasses we drive them away from us. then boom they get a PM "hey buddy, i saw them treating you like shit, lemme treat you right...lemme show you these vials i've got here" do you see what i'm saying? as bad as it sounds we want all everyone on our team. as much as i hate dumbasses, i dont want to see them scammed. us being nasty at them will only drive them away

as for harasses new sources, i have no problem with that. but there is a fine line between harasses, question and criticize and attacking. let's not attack sources, then new member will see 'wow why are these high members acting so mean?" if a source is shit they wont stand up to questioning. there is no need to resort to attacking. a good source is gonna weather all that shit. a bad one wont even get through basic questioning without crumbling. so let's stop ATTACKING sources, let's question the shit outta them though. any thoughts @brutus79 @Flounder

 

[I_know_nothing]

OK sounds like a plan. I'm curious to hear what the "circle jerking" is exactly?

like i said, i dont mean it in a hostile way. what ive seen in some threads is that WKM and AM have a chain of people agreeing and new members that comment that isnt what everyone is agreeing on gets shit on. if it's a stupid ass point, point it out to the member "that's stupid and this is why: a,b,c". if he/she makes a valid point, address it! it just seems like there's no discussion other than
"yo fuck you user a"
"no fuck you user b, arent you a PM source?"
"yeah right user a i bet you suck on your momma's titties every night"

wtf does discussion like that even bring? 600+ pages where 200 pages are bullshit ramblings. so i guesss i just talked about two points: keep small talk off important threads otherwise they get too long (this is just the way meso forum is set up) and dont make members feel like they cant say a dissenting opinion.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

like i said, i dont mean it in a hostile way. what ive seen in some threads is that WKM and AM have a chain of people agreeing and new members that comment that isnt what everyone is agreeing on gets shit on. if it's a stupid ass point, point it out to the member "that's stupid and this is why: a,b,c". if he/she makes a valid point, address it! it just seems like there's no discussion other than
"yo fuck you user a"
"no fuck you user b, arent you a PM source?"
"yeah right user a i bet you suck on your momma's titties every night"

wtf does discussion like that even bring? 600+ pages where 200 pages are bullshit ramblings. so i guesss i just talked about two points: keep small talk off important threads otherwise they get too long (this is just the way meso forum is set up) and dont make members feel like they cant say a dissenting opinion.

you sound a bit like the owner, I may be way off hear.....

 

[I_know_nothing]

you sound a bit like the owner, I may be way off hear.....

ah fuck you caught me I'm Millard Baker (hopefully that's what you meant by owner...)

 

[Mr.Bravo]

But anyways welcome and I do appreciate your point of views.

 

[Marcus]

Why do I feel like @hardbodygirl has a new screen name?

You sure do have A LOT to say on many threads for a long time lurker who just decided to join today because of Brutus' thread.

Whatever though, everyone here relishes good debate and discussion and if you have honest intentions or dishonest, it will come out. I hope the former

 

[I_know_nothing]

But anyways welcome and I do appreciate your point of views.

awesome, this is exactly the type of behavior that new members should be experiencing! props mate.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Why do I feel like @hardbodygirl has a new screen name?

You sure do have A LOT to say on many threads for a long time lurker who just decided to join today because of Brutus' thread.

Whatever though, everyone here relishes good debate and discussion and if you have honest intentions or dishonest, it will come out. I hope the former

nah ive been thinking about joining for awhile. brutus's thread just helped push it along, it's not the sole reason ive made an account.

honest or dishonest intentions are relative. someone who's looking at me and thinking "who the fuck does he think he is, trying to start shit?" might think i have dishonest intentions. in any case, idc im just here to voice my opinions. if you wanna talk, cool let's talk. if not ok fine, dont reply

 

[Marcus]

nah ive been thinking about joining for awhile. brutus's thread just helped push it along, it's not the sole reason ive made an account.

honest or dishonest intentions are relative. someone who's looking at me and thinking "who the fuck does he think he is, trying to start shit?" might think i have dishonest intentions. in any case, idc im just here to voice my opinions. if you wanna talk, cool let's talk. if not ok fine, dont reply

That is not what dishonest intentions are...