Secret Sources, the SCOC and the Steroid Underground

[boodecarlo]

I started checking this forum out in 2016 and it never seemed like how it is now, though maybe it was. So much toxicity and bullshit - but where there’s smoke there’s fire. Everyone’s mad cause people get scammed when trying to buy gear online? Is that the gist?

Things have always been kinda toxic round here but there's some great shit here too. Take the good with the bad I guess.

 

[bickel29]

I started checking this forum out in 2016 and it never seemed like how it is now, though maybe it was. So much toxicity and bullshit - but where there’s smoke there’s fire. Everyone’s mad cause people get scammed when trying to buy gear online? Is that the gist?

No, that's not the gist, smart ass.

Reading your post, I'm not quite sure what your point is. Are you trying to minimize this site and the contributions of its members? Are you trying to sum up THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of hours of content contributed by thousands of members over the years, by making a blanket statement intended to condescendingly crap on the community here?

Because that is how your post comes across to me. Am I wrong?

Yes, there is a vocal minority here who go hard on sources. And there are also many, many members (some of the same members going after sources, some not) here sharing information and experiences on a tremendous number of topics of interest to the Meso community.

If you really do believe what you posted (your gist), and you're not just trying to crap on this site, then I would encourage you to look around more than just the 'underground'.

I say this with sincere respect...

 

[Annapolitan]

No, that's not the gist, smart ass.

Reading your post, I'm not quite sure what your point is. Are you trying to minimize this site and the contributions of its members? Are you trying to sum up THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of hours of content contributed by thousands of members over the years, by making a blanket statement intended to condescendingly crap on the community here?

Because that is how your post comes across to me. Am I wrong?

Yes, there is a vocal minority here who go hard on sources. And there are also many, many members (some of the same members going after sources, some not) here sharing information and experiences on a tremendous number of topics of interest to the Meso community.

If you really do believe what you posted (your gist), and you're not just trying to crap on this site, then I would encourage you to look around more than just the 'underground'.

I say this with sincere respect...

All I got from your post is that you’re sensitive.

I’ve read around this forum and basically every post these days I see nonsensical aggressiveness and bashing of other people - was simply wondering wtf happened. Seems like you’re trying to defend this “community” yet you’re being just as cunty as the rest of em.

EDIT: beta bitch

 

[ickyrica]

All I got from your post is that you’re sensitive.

I’ve read around this forum and basically every post these days I see nonsensical aggressiveness and bashing of other people - was simply wondering wtf happened. Seems like you’re trying to defend this “community” yet you’re being just as cunty as the rest of em.

EDIT: beta bitch

Kinda like how you're whining about Meso right now? Lol, pot meet kettle I guess...

 

[brutus79]

I started checking this forum out in 2016 and it never seemed like how it is now, though maybe it was. So much toxicity and bullshit - but where there’s smoke there’s fire. Everyone’s mad cause people get scammed when trying to buy gear online? Is that the gist?

That and people who also whine about toxicity and bullshit, right? These days everyone is unhappy about something... lucky for you there are plenty of boards concerned with the delivery tone of the message instead of the underlying content. I have been banned from every single one- you would probably love it there. Basically the same information but instead of learning some new insults they seem infatuated with gay jokes. To each his own.

And the definition of a beta bitch is someone who has a snappy retort... and then realizes he forgot to call someone a beta bitch and edits the post to include that zinger.

 

[ickyrica]

That and people who also whine about toxicity and bullshit, right? These days everyone is unhappy about something... lucky for you there are plenty of boards concerned with the delivery tone of the message instead of the underlying content. I have been banned from every single one- you would probably love it there. Basically the same information but instead of learning some new insults they seem infatuated with gay jokes. To each his own.

And the definition of a beta bitch is someone who has a snappy retort... and then realizes he forgot to call someone a beta bitch and edits the post to include that zinger.

What do you know? You don't even know my name!

 

[T-Bagger]

And the definition of a beta bitch is someone who has a snappy retort... and then realizes he forgot to call someone a beta bitch and edits the post to include that zinger.

LMFAO. This was rich!

 

[MindlessWork]

All I got from your post is that you’re sensitive.

I’ve read around this forum and basically every post these days I see nonsensical aggressiveness and bashing of other people - was simply wondering wtf happened. Seems like you’re trying to defend this “community” yet you’re being just as cunty as the rest of em.

EDIT: beta bitch

Whine much? Maybe it is time to get your estro checked.

 

[bickel29]

All I got from your post is that you’re sensitive.

I’ve read around this forum and basically every post these days I see nonsensical aggressiveness and bashing of other people - was simply wondering wtf happened. Seems like you’re trying to defend this “community” yet you’re being just as cunty as the rest of em.

EDIT: beta bitch

Wow, beta bitch, huh? Way to bring it.

I still don't understand what your point is.

So "basically every post these days" (your words) is full of nonsensical aggressiveness and bashing, huh? And this apparently bothers you? And who is the sensitive one?

And your response is to come here to this thread, and bash the site, and then bash anyone who disagrees with you? Again, who is the sensitive one?

Have I summarized what your saying correctly? Talk about nonsensical...

 

[brutus79]

Wow, beta bitch, huh? Way to bring it.

I still don't understand what your point is.

So "basically every post these days" (your words) is full of nonsensical aggressiveness and bashing, huh? And this apparently bothers you? And who is the sensitive one?

And your response is to come here to this thread, and bash the site, and then bash anyone who disagrees with you? Again, who is the sensitive one?

Have I summarized what your saying correctly? Talk about nonsensical...

You fucking beta bitches are all the same with all your fucking questions and logic laden thinking. Get fucked.

 

[TestiCult]

Real quick, for the dum dum new guy, but what does SCOC stand for? Thank you

 

[T-Bagger]

Real quick, for the dum dum new guy, but what does SCOC stand for? Thank you

Source Code of Conduct if I’m not mistaken.

 

[TestiCult]

Source Code of Conduct if I’m not mistaken.

Ah I see.. Thanks T

 

[stomps]

You fucking beta bitches are all the same with all your fucking questions and logic laden thinking. Get fucked.

Hahahah Glad to see you are still active brutus. Ive been gone for a long time lol. So many of the OG's are gone. I barely recognize this place.

 

[stomps]

I did not take the time to read this whole thread but I read the first page.
And I'm pretty sure I was one of the founders of the scoc.
It was intended to help protect people from bad gear/bunk.
At the time the underground section was new and it was a little crazy lol.
Source code of conduct rough draft

 

[saod]

What does SCOC means?

 

[Villain]

What does SCOC means?

Source Code of Conduct

 

[saod]

Source Code of Conduct

Thank you

 

[Villain]

Thank you

No problem

 

[MAXIMUSDESMUSMERIDIAN]

I don't know whether secret sourcing is prevalent on Meso at the moment or not but what I do know is the perception members have for what the underground forum is supposed to be has slowly changed for the worse. For all intents and purposes, it's now viewed by too many as a source forum rather than a forum to discuss sources.

I think most of the blame for both of these problems can be placed on the SCOC for a couple of reasons.

First, the trend over the last year or so has been for members, particularly the newer ones, to use Meso primarily as a source forum because that is how they perceive it. We may tell new members that Meso isn't a source forum; that its purpose is to give them an uncensored forum where they can discuss sources. But when they see WKMs referring new sources to the SCOC, what are they to think? Why have a SCOC if Meso isn't a source forum? Due to the illegal nature of AAS and the need for discretion, when inexperienced members are told Meso isn't a source forum and then see sources being asked to comply with the SCOC, I suspect what they actually hear is "Meso isn't a source forum, wink, wink." When these junior members become senior members, the cycle will continue.

Secondly, rather than being used as a tool to vet sources, the SCOC is forcing sources into selling secretly. There's no question about that and we've already seen evidence that this is happening.

IMO, it's time to abandon the SCOC. It has failed to serve its purpose and it's causing more harm than good.

Regarding the perception that this is a source forum, how do we change it? I've seen some calling to rid Meso of all sources. Personally, I don't think we need to go that far. I don't have an issue with members having direct access to *established* sources on Meso - and by established I mean sources that have been around longer than a couple of years. Being established isn't a guarantee of quality as we've seen recently, but the odds of getting scammed outright are far lower.

What I think needs to change is the idea that these start-up bathtub brewers who have no experience and are only here because they managed to score a bag of powder and now think they're going to be the next drug kingpin deserve a shot. They don't deserve a shot. And that includes any members that might have started brewing and "secretly" selling. Start-ups are the kind of source the SCOC was designed to vet, the kind most likely to sell bunk gear, and the kind most likely to take the money and run. They have no business being here. They are using/abusing Meso's underground because it's free. With nothing invested, they have nothing to lose. And with nothing to lose, there's nothing to stop them from running off with your money.

What's even worse than the start-ups are the members (who should know better) that say these clowns should be given a chance because "someone has to try them." Well, no. No one has to try them. And no one should try them. Why members would even consider using high-risk start-up sources is beyond me. It's not just a question of being scammed, you're putting your health in jeopardy. And for what? A source who will be long gone in less than 6 months?

As far as I'm concerned, the SCOC is redundant. It was designed to give *non-viable* sources a chance they neither deserve, nor should get. It serves no purpose other than creating the impression that Meso is a source forum. In short, it's dragging the underground down.

The underground is an invaluable resource for members when used as intended. Allowing these clowns here is going to destroy it. It's time for members to stop fucking around and start thinking about the greater good. It's not about you finding a source. It was never about that.

Regards

CBS

Amen