Secret Sources, the SCOC and the Steroid Underground

[bickel29]

Bickel, I actually ran across this post of yours and found it to be the best read regarding the SCOC and the realism of secret sourcing in the Underground. Btw, how you been, brother?

Yeah, ironic you found the post above to be a good read - it's actually one of my mom's favorite posts that I have made on Meso, as well! She actually printed a copy of it and hung it on her refrigerator! She loves my contributions here. She is single handedly responsible for half of the 'likes' my posts have received here.

On a serious note, it is great to see you around, USC! I have been doing well my friend! Hopefully you have been as well?

 

[USCballin]

Yeah, ironic you found the post above to be a good read - it's actually one of my mom's favorite posts that I have made on Meso, as well! She actually printed a copy of it and hung it on her refrigerator! She loves my contributions here. She is single handedly responsible for half of the 'likes' my posts have received here.

On a serious note, it is great to see you around, USC! I have been doing well my friend! Hopefully you have been as well?

Got a great mom! Hang on tight to everything she does and says. All has been well on my end. Family is healthy and full of love, man.

 

[Kinetics63]

I've got to be the dumbest fucker on here because I've been skimming through all the comments and still can't figure out what the SCOC is?!!!

 

[bickel29]

I've got to be the dumbest fucker on here because I've been skimming through all the comments and still can't figure out what the SCOC is?!!!

Use the search function (the magnifying glass in the upper right hand corner of this page).

---Type in "source code of conduct" in the 'search' field.

---click the "search titles only" box

---click the search button

Browse through the search results, it's all there.

 

[Kinetics63]

Use the search function (the magnifying glass in the upper right hand corner of this page).

---Type in "source code of conduct" in the 'search' field.

---click the "search titles only" box

---click the search button

Browse through the search results, it's all the

Thanks! I searched SCOC before you answered my question but I kept seeing post that just referred to it as SCOC. I knew it had to do with the actions of sources, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out the acronym. Now I feel stupid. Source Code Of Conduct; of course!

The OCD side of me thanks you!

 

[Beardedlifter]

Excellent post, CBS.

There is certainly a belief among part of the member base here at Meso that thinks amateur sources who come here have something better to offer than all the other sources out there when it comes to the quality of their products.

They do not. They have nothing to offer that isn't being done by other sources. From a harm reduction perspective, using any of these amateur new sources is an extremely bad idea.

They aren't better in terms of product quality, and they are a far riskier purchase imo. If our goal is to help users navigate the steroid underground and make decisions that are more conducive to reducing risks, then we should flat out discourage the use of these amateur, new unestablished sources.

I agree with your point on guys who feel the need to see if these sources are any good by sampling products. It's not necessary, even if the product does favorably on whatever testing members have available, it doesn't prove anything substantial in the sources favor, and product quality is only one aspect of a sources service. There are many other issues as well, and I think its safe to say that amateur / new sources will eventually fall short in one of these other areas simply due to inexperience.

Also, WKM's who are secretly sourcing / private sources and the guys who support and help these individuals to stay in the shadows are doing a great disservice to the editorial integrity of the underground subforum.

Good post brother. As a new member, we need guys like y'all to help us out. Ive used before, but never bought online. Always helpful to talk to guys who know what's up

 

[jaymaximus]

Bump

As a board we've had a lot of turnover since I've joined. Many once prominent members have left and things have changed.
Stating that, in my opinion, we need to look at instituting a new, revised SCOC. We've gone past the point of just telling all sources to get lost, so if they're going to be here it's time we start properly vetting.
Enough of this send pictures with Meso shit. Like that proves anything. Enough of 50+ pages of bickering.
If we're going to do this, lets do it right.
Or not. Either way.

 

[colossus25]

Bump

As a board we've had a lot of turnover since I've joined. Many once prominent members have left and things have changed.
Stating that, in my opinion, we need to look at instituting a new, revised SCOC. We've gone past the point of just telling all sources to get lost, so if they're going to be here it's time we start properly vetting.
Enough of this send pictures with Meso shit. Like that proves anything. Enough of 50+ pages of bickering.
If we're going to do this, lets do it right.
Or not. Either way.

THIS.

Too many of these bathtub brewing shit kickers are being given a chance at selling here. Too many new members are buying from these cockroaches and giving them a reason to stay. The amount of sources popping up here as of late is sickening. We need to raise the bar and restore meso to its former glory. We need to get rid of drama and the members that cause it. We need to be a board that is about reviewing sources not about sourcing. Bro i love this post and agree whole heartedly.

 

[Bumaga]

I don't know whether secret sourcing is prevalent on Meso at the moment or not but what I do know is the perception members have for what the underground forum is supposed to be has slowly changed for the worse. For all intents and purposes, it's now viewed by too many as a source forum rather than a forum to discuss sources.

I think most of the blame for both of these problems can be placed on the SCOC for a couple of reasons.

First, the trend over the last year or so has been for members, particularly the newer ones, to use Meso primarily as a source forum because that is how they perceive it. We may tell new members that Meso isn't a source forum; that its purpose is to give them an uncensored forum where they can discuss sources. But when they see WKMs referring new sources to the SCOC, what are they to think? Why have a SCOC if Meso isn't a source forum? Due to the illegal nature of AAS and the need for discretion, when inexperienced members are told Meso isn't a source forum and then see sources being asked to comply with the SCOC, I suspect what they actually hear is "Meso isn't a source forum, wink, wink." When these junior members become senior members, the cycle will continue.

Secondly, rather than being used as a tool to vet sources, the SCOC is forcing sources into selling secretly. There's no question about that and we've already seen evidence that this is happening.

IMO, it's time to abandon the SCOC. It has failed to serve its purpose and it's causing more harm than good.

Regarding the perception that this is a source forum, how do we change it? I've seen some calling to rid Meso of all sources. Personally, I don't think we need to go that far. I don't have an issue with members having direct access to *established* sources on Meso - and by established I mean sources that have been around longer than a couple of years. Being established isn't a guarantee of quality as we've seen recently, but the odds of getting scammed outright are far lower.

What I think needs to change is the idea that these start-up bathtub brewers who have no experience and are only here because they managed to score a bag of powder and now think they're going to be the next drug kingpin deserve a shot. They don't deserve a shot. And that includes any members that might have started brewing and "secretly" selling. Start-ups are the kind of source the SCOC was designed to vet, the kind most likely to sell bunk gear, and the kind most likely to take the money and run. They have no business being here. They are using/abusing Meso's underground because it's free. With nothing invested, they have nothing to lose. And with nothing to lose, there's nothing to stop them from running off with your money.

What's even worse than the start-ups are the members (who should know better) that say these clowns should be given a chance because "someone has to try them." Well, no. No one has to try them. And no one should try them. Why members would even consider using high-risk start-up sources is beyond me. It's not just a question of being scammed, you're putting your health in jeopardy. And for what? A source who will be long gone in less than 6 months?

As far as I'm concerned, the SCOC is redundant. It was designed to give *non-viable* sources a chance they neither deserve, nor should get. It serves no purpose other than creating the impression that Meso is a source forum. In short, it's dragging the underground down.

The underground is an invaluable resource for members when used as intended. Allowing these clowns here is going to destroy it. It's time for members to stop fucking around and start thinking about the greater good. It's not about you finding a source. It was never about that.

Regards

CBS

Man I just got a wake up call. I wish I would have read this first. Have not used this as a way to find sources however I did just learn a lot about what all of this is for and how I kinda acted as a assclown. Will correct my behavior.

 

[BM~arts]

Chinup - are you saying that you do not believe that ANY visitors to this site order from the sources sponsoring here? You don't think that even one new member has pursued GetM for gear after seeing that banner?

What if your local grocery store sold ad space on the outside of the store for a bread company that was selling contaminated bread? And when you asked the store manager why he would allow them to promote their dirty bread, he said the ad money was helping keep the lights on, so you had somewhere to shop?

I am not calling you out chinup - just wondering how we are supposed to justify that? Because I have had new members here ask me about the sources advertising here - most were confused when I tried to explain it as "just advertising revenue to keep Meso going". They, for the most part, assumed those sources to be g2g.

I’m glad i read this becuase I’m a new member and that’s exactly what I’m thinking. I’m saying to myself why not just see what these advertisers have to offer. They must me decent at least.

 

[Eman]

I’m saying to myself why not just see what these advertisers have to offer. They must me decent at least.

What are you basing this off of? The simple fact that they are advertising here and that's all?

 

[bickel29]

What are you basing this off of? The simple fact that they are advertising here and that's all?

I think he is thinking what many new visitors here think - that if Meso is letting them pay to place ads here, that Meso must be confident that the advertiser is of at least minimal quality standards. It is a natural conclusion for many visitors to think.

Like it or not, some people associate the advertisers here as being "advertising partners" with Meso.

 

[Masters Power]

I think he is thinking what many new visitors here think - that if Meso is letting them pay to place ads here, that Meso must be confident that the advertiser is of at least minimal quality standards. It is a natural conclusion for many visitors to think.

Like it or not, some people associate the advertisers here as being "advertising partners" with Meso.

@bickel29 is a 5-time winner of the $20,000 body transformation contest one of Meso's advertisers run !!

 

[Skull]

@bickel29 is a 5-time winner of the $20,000 body transformation contest one of Meso's advertisers run !!

I can 2nd this since I was infact his spray tan boy....Oh an btw, he didn't win it, it was all in "The Tan" bahahaha

 

[Kakarot]

I can 2nd this since I was infact his spray tan boy....Oh an btw, he didn't win it, it was all in "The Tan" bahahaha

Spray tan boy? Word on the skreet is you were the fluffer for all the contestants.

 

[Eman]

I think he is thinking what many new visitors here think - that if Meso is letting them pay to place ads here, that Meso must be confident that the advertiser is of at least minimal quality standards. It is a natural conclusion for many visitors to think.

Like it or not, some people associate the advertisers here as being "advertising partners" with Meso.

Lol, I am aware of what he was thinking... My question was kind of rhetorical.

I believe he was misunderstanding your quoted post though.

 

[Skull]

Spray tan boy? Word on the skreet is you were the fluffer for all the contestants.

I knew it was you who was in the corner watchin like the lil naughty site seeier you are...an thats ok cuz i liked it bahahaha

 

[BM~arts]

What are you basing this off of? The simple fact that they are advertising here and that's all?

Not that i have ordered from any -i was just thinking to myself since there’s the forum and all that they may be legit becuase one would think people would be calling them out on the forum if they were Scamming people.
For me personally i have been trying to locate specific sources then kind of doing searches on them throughout various forums to get a feel for what type of feedback they are getting overall.
It seems that they all have both positive and negative feedback but i guess that’s to be expected. And I’m sure there are good sources and then haters or competitors trash them and leave bad reviews to make them look bad and vise viser.
Definitely a lot of grey areas lol.

 

[Skull]

Not that i have ordered from any -i was just thinking to myself since there’s the forum and all that they may be legit becuase one would think people would be calling them out on the forum if they were Scamming people.
For me personally i have been trying to locate specific sources then kind of doing searches on them throughout various forums to get a feel for what type of feedback they are getting overall.
It seems that they all have both positive and negative feedback but i guess that’s to be expected. And I’m sure there are good sources and then haters or competitors trash them and leave bad reviews to make them look bad and vise viser.
Definitely a lot of grey areas lol.

Its deff a learning experience an noone is any better than anyone else in this game.....Remember knowledge is power, an it takes a tremendous amount of time reading an studying to find a decent source. I say decent cuz theirs no (#1 golden completely legit lab) out their. It jus doesn't exist brother ...They all have their strenghts, weaknesses, an faults wether they are private or public.

 

[grey]

i was just thinking to myself since there’s the forum and all that they may be legit becuase one would think people would be calling them out on the forum if they were Scamming people.

No man. That isn't the way this works at all.

That an ad appears on a Meso ad-block doesn't imply any quality or lack of quality.

They are just ads.