Stanford Pharma aka SP = Meso Member Xkawn

[Sp2.0]

Good morning. I see nothing but double standards and disillusionment.

MLI came in a few weeks and was henpecked for being a former member here whose posts could break OPSEC. There were even a couple guys that used his gear and “vouched” for him. He got run out because it was feared that he’d put members at risk. That was a valid reason and MLI understood the potential concern.

Meanwhile, it turns out that a longtime source here might have done the same exact thing. If so, then a blind eye was given to it for years. Now guys are pissed that the connection from source to member may have been made by @Rapier. If Stanny was a former member with a lot of posts, then this was a ticking time bomb all along.

Everyone needs to take a couple minutes and think. This is the “game” you are playing. Realize that now because it’s often forgotten when we talk about this stuff so nonchalantly. You’re acquiring illegal drugs. You’re putting A LOT of trust in the anonymous guy answering your emails and taking your bitcoins. Fact of the matter, you have no idea who that person is and what may or may not be truth. You have no idea what his OPSEC is. So when you make that order, YOU are responsible for the risks associated with it.

Is it a double standard? I'm not a fan of how sp came in. That said catching someone's handle in initial vetting doesn't have the potential to hurt members because there shouldn't be any orders. Blasting an established sources handle and making detailed connections has potential to harm members. It seems in this situation it would've been better to keep what he found in his pocket and used it to start vetting him, which I'm certain he would've gotten help with. The non vetting seemed to be his biggest gripe and the vetting here is supposed to be an ongoing process.

To me we need to weigh out the potential harm to members when we put stuff on blast.

 

[janoshik]

Easy to be the wa at you are when you source exposed doesnt potentially have :nyears of your info in his emails.

And you may do some things on the up and but you've also been pretty shady at times too so your opinion on this matter means shit all nothing.

Did I present any opinion on the matter?
I'm pretty sure I didn't because I couldn't care less.

Anyway, who am I to judge you for not being too friendly with reading comprehension 101, I can just advise you to check up the chapter on satire and sarcasm. It's fun, trust me.

 

[mands]

Double standards? Here?! How dare you.

Did you even have your post approved?
I really hope you PM'd some WKM first, before posting that.

You know, for the sake of transparency and harm reduction.

Anyway, just please, stop making sense, logical conclusions and be overall reasonable in the public, you are undermining the authorities here.

Thank you.

Get the hell out of here Jano. Go play with your broken lab equipment. Just like the other idiots that can't understand.

Ok ok ok. I can't resist this one. So you just admitted you know and knew all along xkawn is SP.

That means the whole time he was still using his member handle, posting in other source threads, discrediting them, using panda senior finished oil, and breaking the law in other ways putting his UGL at risk. So the OG vets knew about this the whole time and let it happen!

Told you all the shill crew were just as guilty.

There is your respected vets for ya! Thanks mands.

Ok. Now that we have confirmation, now I am done.

Don't be coy you jack off. And the facts you are stating are skewed and some completely wrong.

mands

 

[Sp2.0]

As far as the behind the scenes vetting that carries no weight with me personally because members who were one time respected have turned out to be shady, just read through that thread desert warrior posted, theres a couple in there.

He shouldve been vetted and not disclosed his handle.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Did I present any opinion on the matter?
I'm pretty sure I didn't because I couldn't care less.

Anyway, who am I to judge you for not being too friendly with reading comprehension 101, I can just advise you to check up the chapter on satire and sarcasm. It's fun, trust me.

I totally got your sarcasm dick wipe. And through your sarcasm you expressed your opinion on the matter and I expressed mine that a shady fuck like you should stay the fuck out of this particular topic.

 

[janoshik]

Now, I really didn't want to participate, but how can I resist now?

How about you sod off to your Atlas thread Mands, maybe then it won't be deader than your 'career?'

You are desperately trying to act as if you were holding some kind of authority above others, even in this thread, but as you can see the people are not eating up your 'b-but we're THE vets' shit anymore.

Gets you mad I guess.

Maybe if it weren't for this kind of behind the scenes BS this situation would never arise, but I don't see you eating humble pie.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Is it a double standard? I'm not a fan of how sp came in. That said catching someone's handle in initial vetting doesn't have the potential to hurt members because there shouldn't be any orders. Blasting an established sources handle and making detailed connections has potential to harm members. It seems in this situation it would've been better to keep what he found in his pocket and used it to start vetting him, which I'm certain he would've gotten help with. The non vetting seemed to be his biggest gripe and the vetting here is supposed to be an ongoing process.

To me we need to weigh out the potential harm to members when we put stuff on blast.

HOLY FUCK!! WE GOT A WINNER!! Someone who gets it and understands how it should have been handled. Cause it sure was a delicate situation and the info was handled similarly to a caveman with a club for comparison.

 

[lifter6973]

 

[Mac11wildcat]

The presence of members who “protect” information and make decisions outside of public eye sure does sound like an extra step between “unmoderated” and “moderated.”

I understand the concerns of all being expressed here...but uh...this is a bit eye opening for me.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

The presence of members who “protect” information and make decisions outside of public eye sure does sound like an extra step between “unmoderated” and “moderated.”

I understand the concerns of all being expressed here...but uh...this is a bit eye opening for me.

I'm not saying it's right but this has gone on for as long as I've been here and way before my time here as well. Gi back and look up the member "stretch" and all the secret double handshake shitbthat went on with him and "bio-whatever the fuck lab it was"

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I'm not saying it's right but this has gone on for as long as I've been here and way before my time here as well. Gi back and look up the member "stretch" and all the secret double handshake shitbthat went on with him and "bio-whatever the fuck lab it was"

Oh I’m not debating the history of it. Just wasn’t in the know...

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Oh I’m not debating the history of it. Just wasn’t in the know...

No issues brother I just threw that out there figuring youd like the read if you ever felt inclined to go back and read just how shady shit can get behind the scenes.

 

[mands]

Funny how some of you members don't except PM'

Now, I really didn't want to participate, but how can I resist now?

How about you sod off to your Atlas thread Mands, maybe then it won't be deader than your 'career?'

You are desperately trying to act as if you were holding some kind of authority above others, even in this thread, but as you can see the people are not eating up your 'b-but we're THE vets' shit anymore.

Gets you mad I guess.

Maybe if it weren't for this kind of behind the scenes BS this situation would never arise, but I don't see you eating humble pie.

Not trying to hold onto anything dick face little man. I came into this thread because some uneducated people can't figure out that a so called person was properly Vetted more so than these dime a dozen sources are now.

Like most you don't know the full story or the account on how anything happened or happens around here.

I definitely don't think I hold anymore authority here than any other member that contributes and tries to help others. So, get off your soap box, go find a girlfriend so you can enjoy your down time and stop your meds man. You are getting worse.

And for me, not mad at all. I don't give two rats ass about you or what you think.

Now come back with something witty and cute so you can fulfill your daily quota of feeling superior.

mands

 

[Sp2.0]

Funny how some of you members don't except PM'

Not trying to hold onto anything dick face little man. I came into this thread because some uneducated people can't figure out that a so called person was properly Vetted more so than these dime a dozen sources are now.

Like most you don't know the full story or the account on how anything happened or happens around here.

I definitely don't think I hold anymore authority here than any other member that contributes and tries to help others. So, get off your soap box, go find a girlfriend so you can enjoy your down time and stop your meds man. You are getting worse.

And for me, not mad at all. I don't give two rats ass about you or what you think.

Now come back with something witty and cute so you can fulfill your daily quota of feeling superior.

mands

I'm not very technically savvy but I was told that you're location is vulnerable in pms. Is that not accurate?

 

[Test_Subject]

I don't like this one bit. To say that this thread has been eye-opening is an understatement.

Behind-the-scenes vetting is crooked and completely contrary to the harm reduction cause because that's when cronyism and personal interest take over. Trusting a source just because some guy who has been here ten years says he's a good dude is fucked up. How many long-time members have turned out to be complete scumbags? I can think of at least a few off the top of my head. Once we accept vetting behind closed doors, we might as well just make long term members mods and take their "GTG" as gospel like they do at SST for fuck sakes.

I also don't like the fact that this post has potentially put people's personal information at risk. This situation could have been handled in a much better way. The way it was done was irresponsible and reeks of self-interest.

 

[cochino]

I don't like this one bit. To say that this thread has been eye-opening is an understatement.

Behind-the-scenes vetting is crooked and completely contrary to the harm reduction cause because that's when cronyism and personal interest take over. Trusting a source just because some guy who has been here ten years says he's a good dude is fucked up. How many long-time members have turned out to be complete scumbags? I can think of at least a few off the top of my head. Once we accept vetting behind closed doors, we might as well just make long term members mods and take their "GTG" as gospel like they do at SST for fuck sakes.

I also don't like the fact that this post has potentially put people's personal information at risk. This situation could have been handled in a much better way.

Agree with 100% everything you said here.

 

[mands]

I don't like this one bit. To say that this thread has been eye-opening is an understatement.

Behind-the-scenes vetting is crooked and completely contrary to the harm reduction cause because that's when cronyism and personal interest take over. Trusting a source just because some guy who has been here ten years says he's a good dude is fucked up. How many long-time members have turned out to be complete scumbags? I can think of at least a few off the top of my head. Once we accept vetting behind closed doors, we might as well just make long term members mods and take their "GTG" as gospel like they do at SST for fuck sakes.

I also don't like the fact that this post has potentially put people's personal information at risk. This situation could have been handled in a much better way.

Answer me this. How many "non-members" come in here go through the vetting process and go onto and scamming, sending out under dosed gear, with security and safety compromising?

Also, this is the only situation I can remember it happening and the only reason why I was involved is because I figured out something was fishy in the beginning and made him divulge his other handle to me.

Others were involved in receiving set up, brewing process, pics, etc.

I do see everyone's point that the above should of been posted in this thread without divulging the members handle.

mands

 

[muscletrain]

Agree with the above as soon as you start swimming towards the "established veterans" handling stuff behind the scenes because they've been here longer you are basically going against the unmoderated setup of meso. I get there are OGs that their opinion carries weight but in the end, no one here really knows anyone on this board vetting should be wide open and lets see that shit good, bad, ugly.

Those veterans can chime in on the same open thread that everyone else can see, not pick and choose what is pertinent information for others to see.

 

[Test_Subject]

Answer me this. How many "non-members" come in here go through the vetting process and go onto and scamming, sending out under dosed gear, with security and safety compromising?

That's pretty hard to prevent. That's why I live by the saying "a source is good until they aren't." With open vetting, at least people can review the information themselves and come to an informed decision that they're comfortable with. Once you hide that information away in PMs, the available information with which to make an informed decision is lessened and the decision is less informed.

Mission was probably the top lab in Canada, at least popularity-wise, and they ended up pulling an exit scam after 5+ years of reputable operation. You never know when shit is going to go south.

 

[Brawny]

Also, this is the only situation I can remember it happening and the only reason why I was involved is because I figured out something was fishy in the beginning and made him divulge his other handle to me.

Others were involved in receiving set up, brewing process, pics, etc.

I do see everyone's point that the above should of been posted in this thread without divulging the members handle.

mands

So you found that something seemed “fishy” then decided it was best to handle things behind the scenes and not divulge information?

If something seems fishy during the vetting process, then isn’t that something the community should know?

You know, harm reduction