Steroid forums - how things have changed

I was very surprised to see attia host derek. The thing came off, or rather; it is a cheap promotional tactic, with which I lost some respect for attia. While I saw the same thing you just mentioned, most people don't look at such media with a critical eye and all that this interview did was to affirm derek as an industry expert, which he clearly isn't. Unfortunate.
Agree, I wanted to point out that original idea of mpmd Derek's was to show guys that you don't even need steroids to look good for women. He explained more on how to get that look and with that he teached everybody to diet, train and get body fat levels in the lean or linish category 10-15% to look aesthetic and be healthy.

However current Derek is a sold out fraud. He wants to make more money and he knows that telling guys the truth won't cut it anymore.

So he became from a legit person who guided guys to be good looking and healthy in to a supplement pusher and attention whore.
 
You should watch or listen to Peter Attia's Q&A where he asks Derek an assortment of questions he knows the answer to and watches Derek choke and spit out marketing-style buzzword bullshit.
Knew it that Derek was a fraud lol. That was one brutally hilarious takedown!
 
Thank you!
Let us know what you think! I see it as a totally gloves-off confrontation that is arguably too soft on Derek. However, I think he does a good job at giving Derek some rope, and just pulling him out from the noose at the last moment. It's pretty clear that Derek is uninformed from this, I was kind of laughing and cursing at him throughout for his smoothly avoiding any question of substance.
 
Let us know what you think! I see it as a totally gloves-off confrontation that is arguably too soft on Derek. However, I think he does a good job at giving Derek some rope, and just pulling him out from the noose at the last moment. It's pretty clear that Derek is uninformed from this, I was kind of laughing and cursing at him throughout for his smoothly avoiding any question of substance.
Any chance you happen to have some timestamps of highlights? I find it dreadful to listen to podcasts because of the low information density. There are few exceptions to this for me, but Derek isn't one of them.
 
Any chance you happen to have some timestamps of highlights? I find it dreadful to listen to podcasts because of the low information density. There are few exceptions to this for me, but Derek isn't one of them.
You click the more option at the description and there it is like in every other video
 
Yes, I've seen that. It's analogous to the table of contents of a book, but for a video.
Yeah that to but under that its in a different format as well.
Another hack to make it more watchable is at the settings icon on screen you can increase playback speed to 1.25-1.5x makes a world of difference.
 
Long stort short. 6 years ago, when I was researching steroids, hormones, drugs, how it all works and then of course I read lots of forums for personal experiences and all that interesting talk. I spent few months reading, then took a break and then returned in total spending almost a year educating and learning myself everything I could on paper before I started playing this game.

So, I read lots of posts from 2006-2016 and even older of various steroid talk forums including meso of course. I noticed that people where asking straightforward questions like how different should they eat and train. It was almost a prerequisite that you had put in the work for at least few years naturally and had a good muscular base and knowledge in training and nutrition.

Yes, some information is outdated by todays standards. But I noticed less beef, less flaming, less insults and all that unnecessary crap. Everyone seemed a lot more serious. The information/advice from veterans was very valued by others. Everyone had so much things to say and it was understandable and appreciated by readers, I was enjoying reading all that honestly.

Now in modern era, the 2020's we have kids left and right coming from social media or youtube and demanding us to confirm crap they heard from those influencers, if we disagree we are the bad guys and we don't know shit. It's like they multiply and it's not a one off. Every week there's new early 20's guy who thinks he's smarter than us. Soon they will all cycle estrogen instead of Testosterone because "bro estrogen is more anabolic".

Being already fit or muscular is no longer a requirement. It's okay for them to just jump the gun. Skip the natural gains, cuz it's waste of time they say.

No one even states their stats anymore, they don't even bother to google what's a decent bench press for a guy. Nothing, just a statement sort of - that he wants to cycle easy way, get huge gains and pls don't tell me shit to not do, I will do it regardless of what you all say...

We forum members with experience even bother to feed them information (that's available nowadays with just a bit of effort), they spit on it and we still comment. We make their threads popular and they burry some great threads with their childish behaviour.

Now, only a handful of guys truly come here and ask for genuine advice. Asks for some advice. He's serious and wants to do it right. But because of kids we are very wary and sometimes don't even bother to reply to people like him.

On the positive side we have improved a lot when it comes to sources, scam prevention, zero tolerance for bullshit.

I guess you can't help but miss it, how different it was back then. The atmosphere and vibe was totally different, communication was much more straightforward and people interested in drugs were not pushed to look a certain way by influencers and such.

They knew what they wanted and they came to get results. Nothing less nothing more, steroids were for serious people. Not bunch of dyel skinny twinks trying to look like at least they lift, cuz they think you can't get there naturally.

Now we have boys wanting to do tbol only cuz he's afraid of side effects that might not even be present. He wants fast gains. Says it can't be done naturally. While mentioning absolutely nothing about his experience, diet, training, lifts.

But it's not all bad, in fact it improved a lot in other ways. It is what I call a true evolution.

Meso especially came a long way and did what they could do best to unite us who are still passionate about what we do and provide us with possibly the best market for our needs, information and much, much more.

I remember @Jin23 words - it's the golden age of AAS. He's right. With such information and tools available, we indeed have it so good we sometimes forget to appreciate it.

Thanks to guys like @Millard , @Type-IIx , @PeterBond and many others who create or help to create this place what we all can call home. Their contributions are invaluable.

So, yes it's a rant in some way. But more so my observation and review over the years.

Disclaimer:
This was not meant to discriminate anyone or make them feel lesser. It was simply my observation how things have changed over a decade or two.
I read this thread and I did like it. Being around from 2005 I recall the 'old school philosophy'. So I would like to chime in that it was never really off base, and I challenged it. Getting older now, I somewhat prefer the old KISS principle KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.. They said things like:
(1) Be trained up well before even considering juice.
(2) Don't use steroids before you are 25+ etc...
(3) Get your labs done before you take anything/ record a baseline.
(4) Give your personal stats before requesting direct advice.
(5) Start with the simplest cycle possible. Test only. Advance conservatively.
(6) Don't bother with a cycle if you are fat/ IT JUST WONT WORK = TRUE.
(7) TIME ON should equal TIME OFF...
(8) Testosterone is "BURNED", as a metabolic qualifying statement of fact.
(9) Don't cry that you are not growing if you don't eat for it there is no point.

ETC,ETC, ETC,..... But they tended to arrive at a formula that did not lose sight of some really important things. And you were always getting commonly TRIED AND TESTED information from guys that would shoot straight with you almost as if they could be looked up and scolded if they had attempted to mislead. I had a couple of beefs but I was splitting hairs in the search for my own expansion of knowledge. BUT PEOPLE WERE ACCOUNTABLE, and not so much a dark shadow in a corner from God knows where with who knows what agenda.

I'm just saying that many times today, a light show can be misused and pretensed as a light saber - when it's NOT. But at the same time more information is always better, but only if the users are willing to do the work and read.... I am also amazed at the current common availability of steroids as we have almost returned full circle to 1985 in every aspect from price to availability, but with the exception of more variety even. Why again has everything else gone up$?!?!? :rolleyes:

The biggest failure I see today is that great power is supposed to require great responsibility. >does not seem so anymore...
 
Any chance you happen to have some timestamps of highlights? I find it dreadful to listen to podcasts because of the low information density. There are few exceptions to this for me, but Derek isn't one of them.
Since I'm the same way and cannot take in this kind of content like a YouTube savant, I just clicked around into a couple of the segments at random, I know I clicked into one about rhGH; any of it will be fairly representative. In total I probably perused for no more than 10 minutes.
 
Yep its sad these days. Guys do a weeks worth of research then start regurgitating they're horrible info onto the rest of the world.

Its all part of this instant gratification world we live in where everyone thinks we give a fk about their opinion
*their. Learn the fucking language before preaching to the boomer choir
 
As for the original point of the thread, the only solution is for somehow gear use to decrease across the board throughout the west
 
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