STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)

I can point to the detailed legislation to clamp down on de minimus, the product of more congressional focus than any other issue over the last 2 years, a clear priority that has the intense attention of a multitude of powerful interests from industry, unions, law enforcement, government finance, and the public watching tens of thousands of their children die every year. Specific tactics the CBP is putting into place, "practice" crackdowns that, overnight. have broken Indian pharma's ability to ship anything controlled to the US. Countless articles about the coming crackdown in every major newspaper, industry trade journals from apparel to cargo, and business bracing itself for massive changes. Hundreds of Chinese companies including giants like Temu and Schein spending billions on changing their operations by establishing warehouses in the US and Mexico jn anticipation of all this taking place.

They can't stop the fentanyl precursors, the Glock switch machine guns that are flooding every city, the counterfeits industry and unions are screaming is killing them, and the tens of billions of dollars of customs duty the government. is losing to evasion without also stopping your box of steroids

...and some ignorant cunts who never heard the term "de minimus" before, have no idea how their drugs get from China to the US, have no memory that it wasn't long ago getting things through US customs was 20x more difficult or that there are plenty of. countries with "no reship" policies because they manage to confiscate more than gets through, come along say it's all meaningless unless you can specify the exact day, and nothing will change from the near Amazon like ease they can get their Schedule III drugs now.

The package of executive orders put out a month ago are enough to cut off the flow, and those are working their way through the bureaucracy towards implementation in a matter of months.

But keep putting your head in the sand, wishing it away, leaning on the ignorance you wear like a badge of honor, and when it does happen in 2 months, or 6, or a year, dismiss it as a coincidence that couldn't have been foreseen.

When the "golden age" of easily moving contraband from China to the US ends, it'll be all at once. There won't be a "heads up for last call".
Importation will always going to have its ups and downs. Lol . It will find it's way here regardless. Laws will be in place to stop it, there will be other ways around it.

But keep spouting this nonsense. We already think you are ridiculous.
 
Illegal drug markets are a cat and mouse game. Government and law enforcement is constantly coming up with ways to stop importation and sale and at best they slow it a bit periodically but the market just carries on and adapts to whatever they do. If there's money to be made, and there always will be, then sellers will certainly find ways around anything they come up with. Also, we're dealing with government agencies and government employees. That automatically tells you how high the bar is to get over. I'm talking about individuals like most people on this forum, not big players moving large quantities of product
Good point
 
Good point


For the last time. We know you can get anything if you're willing to pay the price. But there's a BIG difference between buying from a huge selection, at rock bottom prices. in 5 minutes like you're shopping at Temu, the situation we have today, and buying a substance smuggled in like heroin.

FFS, it was MUCH worse just 20 years ago, with a small selection of low quality shit at high prices, Guys weren't trekking to Mexico for nothing. It can easily return to that, or worse.
 
For the last time. We know you can get anything if you're willing to pay the price. But there's a BIG difference between buying from a huge selection, at rock bottom prices. in 5 minutes like you're shopping at Temu, the situation we have today, and buying a substance smuggled in like heroin.

FFS, it was MUCH worse just 20 years ago, with a small selection of low quality shit at high prices, Guys weren't trekking to Mexico for nothing. It can easily return to that, or worse.
The main reason things were so different 20 years ago are not because of shipping. I'd say the main reasons are the internet, crypto, and an increase in manufacturers in China who can produce such things.
 
Oh it sucked alright. But now it sucks even more, because you have avery moron and his dog doing tren cycles that will eventually lead to stricter laws. At least in Yankeeland.
TREN is so terrible but you can't change these dumb kids minds how bad it is on there body
 
If China were to have major issues that were long lasting, I would take a wild guess that India would become the next major center of production logically.
 
It's very difficult for packs coming out of India to the US, as anyone buying from vendors there over the last 4 months can tell you.
Correct me if I am wrong, but is the issue more with India customs grabbing them for certain substances before they go out, or with the USA grabbing them? I know sleeping meds were/are an issue at times.
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but is the issue more with India customs grabbing them for certain substances before they go out, or with the USA grabbing them? I know sleeping meds were/are an issue at times.

Both. Plenty of first time love letter recipients in the last few months. and FDA seizures as well,
 
Both. Plenty of first time love letter recipients in the last few months. and FDA seizures as well,
Thanks, that's good to know. I have ordered from India many times from their online pharmacies. I think once I did have a pack that arrived with green customs tape on it, but everything was still inside. It was basically some blood pressure meds, about a 90 day supply that I guess at least whoever opened the box didn't seem concerned with.

Don't think I would have been so lucky if it was full of test and sleeping pills.
 
It's very difficult for packs coming out of India to the US, as anyone buying from vendors there over the last 4 months can tell you.
They would import the raws and send from China like they do now but will cost more probably as there are other expenses.

Few years ago like 4 or 5 can't remember it was again a problem with China raws factories and they wanted to bann them.
Panda (at the time was a big supplier of raws) said that it will take him 6 months to be back on business and he will buy raws from India and import them and run as usual.
You need a license to do that and him supposedly had one. On the downside in India can be manufactured only what is for human consumption so no tren or similar. That legally but illegally would find a way to work around it.
They will find a way. They always do

I assumed that what is happening now in China is because the US elections is coming and they make some noise before them. Always when is a big event the raws from China era it's ending. Now is more because of those factories make fentanyl not only raws.
I don't believe it will change anything and in less than a month it will be another chapter that it will end and be back on track. But I have 1 kg of test just in case. It should me last until the end of my days if shit hit the fan
 
When the "golden age" of easily moving contraband from China to the US ends, it'll be all at once. There won't be a "heads up for last call".

I'm not sure this is a reasonable conclusion, just by nature of the fact that the majority of the packages targeted by the De minimis executive order are textiles and apparel, basically low value items for which there is little margin.

The types of shipments we receive don't necessarily qualify as low-value and while the margins may be low, there is plenty of room to increase it as necessary to work around the evolving set of rules. As an example, I once imported a carbon fiber bike frame from China. It was labeled as "cosmetics" and some small duties were paid, entirely bypassing the de minimis exemption.

Whatever technology that gets deployed to make a distinction between a carbon fiber bike frame and "cosmetics" without opening the box will take some time to roll out, presuming it is ever successfully implemented.

So, sure, there is some risk that things will change, but I don't think we can say with much certainty to what degree and on what timeline. So, sure, stock up, but I think it's more likely than not that if things do become more difficult, they will do so gradually and likely sporadically as new interventions get implemented and importers find work arounds.
 
I'm not sure this is a reasonable conclusion, just by nature of the fact that the majority of the packages targeted by the De minimis executive order are textiles and apparel, basically low value items for which there is little margin.

The types of shipments we receive don't necessarily qualify as low-value and while the margins may be low, there is plenty of room to increase it as necessary to work around the evolving set of rules. As an example, I once imported a carbon fiber bike frame from China. It was labeled as "cosmetics" and some small duties were paid, entirely bypassing the de minimis exemption.

Whatever technology that gets deployed to make a distinction between a carbon fiber bike frame and "cosmetics" without opening the box will take some time to roll out, presuming it is ever successfully implemented.

So, sure, there is some risk that things will change, but I don't think we can say with much certainty to what degree and on what timeline. So, sure, stock up, but I think it's more likely than not that if things do become more difficult, they will do so gradually and likely sporadically as new interventions get implemented and importers find work arounds.
I just try to remember the golden rule of all of this. If there is a demand and money to be made, a way will be found.
 
Stay natty guys like Mike O’hearn, problem solved lol.

Like someone mentioned, maybe this is a good thing. Now everyone goes back to being natural. If you are diabetic or hypogonadal, get your drugs from your doctor if you identify as a bull, get your tren from your local farm store. Easy.
bull horns GIF
 
I'm not sure this is a reasonable conclusion, just by nature of the fact that the majority of the packages targeted by the De minimis executive order are textiles and apparel, basically low value items for which there is little margin.

The types of shipments we receive don't necessarily qualify as low-value and while the margins may be low, there is plenty of room to increase it as necessary to work around the evolving set of rules. As an example, I once imported a carbon fiber bike frame from China. It was labeled as "cosmetics" and some small duties were paid, entirely bypassing the de minimis exemption.

Whatever technology that gets deployed to make a distinction between a carbon fiber bike frame and "cosmetics" without opening the box will take some time to roll out, presuming it is ever successfully implemented.

So, sure, there is some risk that things will change, but I don't think we can say with much certainty to what degree and on what timeline. So, sure, stock up, but I think it's more likely than not that if things do become more difficult, they will do so gradually and likely sporadically as new interventions get implemented and importers find work arounds.

The technology is secondary to a simpler, much more effective tactic.

Again, what's made it so much easier for contraband to get into the US was the incredible rise in volume of packages from China, 5 million a day at this point. These illicit goods are easily hidden among logistics company containers of tens of thousands of small parcels. The "Type 86" de minimus exemption allows 99.9% to bypass tariffs and customs inspection, as long as they're declared to be below $800 and addressed to an individual.

Each package's contents, value, shipper and recipient must be declared and provided to customs electronically.

Inaccurate declarations can result in the logistics company being suspended, costing them millions of dollars a day.

Inaccurate declarations have been rampant for years. Finally, to give these companies a taste of what's to come, after several random inspections, false declarations were quickly identified and 6 companies suspended.

In the future, a single parcel of contraband found among the thousands of legitimate goods can trigger a $250,000 fine per incident, in addition to. a suspension.

These companies will simply no longer risk massive losses by accepting packages from vendors of shady goods. Legit Chinese merchants won't risk being blacklisted and left unable to ship to the US by allowing misdeclared contraband being sent along with their goods.

Gear vendors represent a minuscule amount of the business logistics companies do, and continuing to turn a blind eye would cost them dearly. The pain thats going to be inflicted is just not worth it.

That will force gear to be shipped some other way, and that's going to make things much more difficult, expensive, and likely riskier than it is now.

For a comparison, India doesn't have a similar shipping infrastructure in place, and seizures are routine. When was the last time you heard of a China shipment being seized? It's very rare. That's going to change as they won't be able to hide their goods in the massive flow of de minimus containers packages any more.

Chinese contraband sellers have already been finding themselves banned from various logistics companies, who've felt it necessary to inspect packages so they don't end up on the hook for punishment. As enforcement continues to tighten, they'll lose access to this customs inspection bypassing method of shipping altogether, and be forced to switch to using alternative methods that won't be nearly as easy to slip across the border as it is now.


"CBP processed 134 million low-value shipments in FY 2015, compared with FY 2023, when CBP processed over 1 billion de minimis entries. That is a 646% increase in the number of low-value shipments entering the United States in eight years.7 CBP currently processes 4 million de minimis shipments per day. The dramatic increase in the number of low-value shipments has created an opportunity for bad actors who take advantage of the unprecedent volume to introduce illicit substances such as fentanyl and other narcotics, counterfeits, and goods made with forced labor."
 
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