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[ve79]

If that were to happen that be a nice thing but it ought to be produced in USA otherwise the huge potential tariffs would make it pricey.

Would LOVE to see test get deregulated even...we can only dream!

4 sure

 

[MindlessWork]

4 sure

If a Trump admin were to weaken the DEA that might be either good or bad too.

 

[ve79]

If a Trump admin were to weaken the DEA that might be either good or bad too.

From the sounds of Trump saying he will put tariffs on many countries including China that will cause a huge problem for our community but ......

 

[MindlessWork]

From the sounds of Trump saying he will put tariffs on many countries including China that will cause a huge problem for our community but ......

That would make raws from China really expensive but what will prevent raws from being made in another country not subject to the Trump tariffs?

 

[malfeasance]

That would make raws from China really expensive but what will prevent raws from being made in another country not subject to the Trump tariffs?

That is the whole point of this thread - ways to get around government action. In the end, however, there is going to be a disruption of some sort.

 

[Grey Spartan]

Didn't matter who won, the fix was in for cracking down on a flood of small packs slipping through customs because there are too many to inspect.

Neither party was going to mess with voter's Temu orders prior to the election, and they'll want to get the bitter medicine out of the way as fast as possible so it's forgotten about by the next election.

The "Golden Age" of easy AAS availability is over. The remaining question is how much harder will it get, and how quickly.

One thing's for certain, by this time next year, the AAS and related market will look very different than it does now,

I hope your wrong for the people just figuring out how to get gear online. But, with the smuggling trade there is always a way. If China is blacklisted they will ship from another country like India, to get products into their warehouses. Sure it will cause them to pivot and cause a minor disruption in the market, but that is the smuggling game.

 

[DECLAN]

Didn't matter who won, the fix was in for cracking down on a flood of small packs slipping through customs because there are too many to inspect.

Neither party was going to mess with voter's Temu orders prior to the election, and they'll want to get the bitter medicine out of the way as fast as possible so it's forgotten about by the next election.

The "Golden Age" of easy AAS availability is over. The remaining question is how much harder will it get, and how quickly.

One thing's for certain, by this time next year, the AAS and related market will look very different than it does now,

Isn’t this a great thing? This would deter most teenagers and gym idiots from hurting themselves. Plus, guys who don’t have business running grams and grams of steroids would have to stop after the cost or availability issues come up.

There you go, the government is stepping in to promote harm reduction.

 

[Ghoul]

I hope your wrong for the people just figuring out how to get gear online. But, with the smuggling trade there is always a way. If China is blacklisted they will ship from another country like India, to get products into their warehouses. Sure it will cause them to pivot and cause a minor disruption in the market, but that is the smuggling game.

Have you seen what it's like trying to get packs from India? One day it was fine, 95%+ success rate, then bam, 4 months ago success rate dropped to under 25% and suddenly everyone's getting love letters. The "two week crackdown then it'll return to normal" turned into a month, then 2, then packs that got through started being recalled AFTER passing customs. The only successful vendors left had to relocate shipping to another country, and that won't last long now that the secret's out. Shipping from India is done.

Again, this is not about it being impossible to buy gear, but returning to market conditions that existed before this huge loophole opened that created a market where $4/vial of Test promos are common. That is, much higher prices and far less variety.

 

[bjjgear]

Have you seen what it's like trying to get packs from India? One day it was fine, 95%+ success rate, then bam, 4 months ago success rate dropped to under 50% and suddenly everyone's getting love letters. The "two week crackdown then it'll return to normal" turned into a month, then 2, then packs that got through started being recalled AFTER passing customs. The only successful vendors left had to relocate shipping to another country, and that won't last long now that the secret's out. Shipping from India is done.

Not my n=1 experience at all.

 

[Ateam2023]

Have you seen what it's like trying to get packs from India? One day it was fine, 95%+ success rate, then bam, 4 months ago success rate dropped to under 25% and suddenly everyone's getting love letters. The "two week crackdown then it'll return to normal" turned into a month, then 2, then packs that got through started being recalled AFTER passing customs. The only successful vendors left had to relocate shipping to another country, and that won't last long now that the secret's out. Shipping from India is done.

Again, this is not about it being impossible to buy gear, but returning to market conditions that existed before this huge loophole opened that created a market where $4/vial of Test promos are common. That is, much higher prices and far less variety.

i'm still waiting for a pack from india(not pct store) 40 days, been through customs twice , its finally heading my way though, but goddamn

 

[Ghoul]

Isn’t this a great thing? This would deter most teenagers and gym idiots from hurting themselves. Plus, guys who don’t have business running grams and grams of steroids would have to stop after the cost or availability issues come up.

There you go, the government is stepping in to promote harm reduction.

You may have stumbled on a silver lining. None of this has to do with targeting steroids, but a host of other issues (especially lost customs duties, and a little bit of concern regarding fentanyl). Steroids are merely collateral damage. Can't accurately charge duties or stop fentanyl without getting a handle on the contents of packages.

But. if this "Tren twins" shit keeps up, sooner or later a few young guys having heart attacks will have parents blaming steroids and demanding something must be done, which could focus negative attention on "killer steroids" and a real crackdown could follow.

If this raises the bar for kids getting their hands on them, it might actually prevent an even larger problem.

My point has simply been that if you rely on easily acquired, inexpensive AAS, *especially* for TRT, but BBs as well since getting cut off cold turkey sucks, don't count on the status quo to last much longer.

Personally, I never want to have to use the "guy at the gym" again.

 

[DECLAN]

You may have stumbled on a silver lining. None of this has to do with targeting steroids, but a host of other issues (especially lost customs duties, and a little bit of concern regarding fentanyl). Steroids are merely collateral damage. Can't accurately charge duties or stop fentanyl without getting a handle on the contents of packages.

But. if this "Tren twins" shit keeps up, sooner or later a few young guys having heart attacks will have parents blaming steroids and demanding something must be done, which could focus negative attention on "killer steroids" and a real crackdown could follow.

If this raises the bar for kids getting their hands on them, it might actually prevent an even larger problem.

My point has simply been that if you rely on easily acquired, inexpensive AAS, *especially* for TRT, but BBs as well since getting cut off cold turkey sucks, don't count on the status quo to last much longer.

Personally, I never want to have to use the "guy at the gym" again.

Shit, forgot about the guy in the gym lol. That presents another set of problems if people have to go back to buying from shady dealers.

 

[Ghoul]

i'm still waiting for a pack from india(not pct store) 40 days, been through customs twice , its finally heading my way though, but goddamn

Wouldn't be surprised if that pack was thoroughly inspected and they let it pass. Seems if it's nothing controlled and less than a 90 day supply it's 50/50 whether they'll allow it or send to to the FDA and let them issue a confiscation letter.

That'd not going to happen when they find a bag of powder or unlabeled vials.

 

[pipo]

Have you seen what it's like trying to get packs from India? One day it was fine, 95%+ success rate, then bam, 4 months ago success rate dropped to under 25% and suddenly everyone's getting love letters. The "two week crackdown then it'll return to normal" turned into a month, then 2, then packs that got through started being recalled AFTER passing customs. The only successful vendors left had to relocate shipping to another country, and that won't last long now that the secret's out. Shipping from India is done.

Again, this is not about it being impossible to buy gear, but returning to market conditions that existed before this huge loophole opened that created a market where $4/vial of Test promos are common. That is, much higher prices and far less variety.

How many millions of packages comes from India each day? How many comes from China?
Good luck open over 1 million package that arrives in US each day. China will send worldwide 200 billions parcels. How customs will open each package and see if you have there a toy,test raws or a toy that hides test raws.

 

[Ghoul]

How many millions of packages comes from India each day? How many comes from China?
Good luck open over 1 million package that arrives in US each day. China will send worldwide 200 billions parcels. How customs will open each package and see if you have there a toy,test raws or a toy that hides test raws.

All they have to do is what they already did a trial of in June. Every pack MUST be fully and accurately described on the customs paperwork supplied by the shipping companies. The shipping companies rely on their customers to provide that information. Obviously, those shipping contraband just lie.

Customs picks a random container of 5-10 thousand small packs, inspects random packages, and any found to contain something other than what the paperwork says (even if it's says "t shirt" but actually contains a "button down shirt") results in a $5,000 fine for the shipping company. If it's a controlled substance the fine can be $250,000. They also issue a suspension from the program that allows goods to pass without being held up by customs. This costs the shipping companies over $1,000,000 per day.

The executive order will require much more detail for each small package, and a guarantee that the shipping company verified the name and ID of the individual responsible for the shipment.

Contraband is a minuscule proportion of the packages. The shippers do not want that shit messing up their business and costing them millions. Chinese vendors here routinely get "banned" from shippers when caught, and now the shippers have a huge incentive to make sure they're only accepting packs from trusted companies.

If you weren't aware, all this data regarding the small packs in these containers goes to customs electronically, and their systems will pick up on suspicious patterns, "new shippers", even if the US recipient received a "love letter" before, and that will be used to determine which containers get selected for detailed inspection. The government may have been very slow to act, but they're not competent incompetent.

The other part of these new
systems will track how much of your duty free $800 "de minimus" exemption you've used, and start billing customs duty if you go over. That's why the new, more
detailed codes describing the contents are required.

 

[Ghoul]

U.S. Administration Takes Executive Action on Section 321 De Minimis Imports: What We Know So Far and What to Expect Next

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The excessive order implemented the most important elements of cracking down on contraband slipping in with all the Temu and Shein "de minimus" customs exempts packs found in the new laws awaiting passage:



This requires the recipient to be accurately identified (or else):



The executive order requires a far more detailed description of the contents of the thousands of small packs in the shipping container, which because of the way the law works, makes the shipping company more responsible for the packages in their container than they were before. Previously, if something wasn't described accurately, or even contained illegal drugs, the shipping company could say "wasn't our fault, it was our customer who lied". No more after this change. It's like UPS being forced to guarantee you aren't sending illegal stuff using their service. If something is found, UPS could be on the hook for millions in penalties. You can be sure if that was the case, they'd only accept your package after inspecting it themselves or only accept packages from trusted companies:

 

[pipo]

All they have to do is what they already did a trial of in June. Every pack MUST be fully and accurately described on the customs paperwork supplied by the shipping companies. The shipping companies rely on their customers to provide that information. Obviously, those shipping contraband just lie.

Customs picks a random container of 5-10 thousand small packs, inspects random packages, and any found to contain something other than what the paperwork says (even if it's says "t shirt" but actually contains a "button down shirt") results in a $5,000 fine for the shipping company. If it's a controlled substance the fine can be $250,000. They also issue a suspension from the program that allows goods to pass without being held up by customs. This costs the shipping companies over $1,000,000 per day.

The executive order will require much more detail for each small package, and a guarantee that the shipping company verified the name and ID of the individual responsible for the shipment.

Contraband is a minuscule proportion of the packages. The shippers do not want that shit messing up their business and costing them millions. Chinese vendors here routinely get "banned" from shippers when caught, and now the shippers have a huge incentive to make sure they're only accepting packs from trusted companies.

If you weren't aware, all this data regarding the small packs in these containers goes to customs electronically, and their systems will pick up on suspicious patterns, "new shippers", even if the US recipient received a "love letter" before, and that will be used to determine which containers get selected for detailed inspection. The government may have been very slow to act, but they're not competent incompetent.

The other part of these new
systems will track how much of your duty free $800 "de minimus" exemption you've used, and start billing customs duty if you go over. That's why the new, more
detailed codes describing the contents are required.

It's not hard to hide raws in usual goods. Chances to open and rip the teddy bear apart are small. It will not change anything. They will see a radio or a toy and look on declaration and see that is a radio or a toy that is pay the tax for and let it pass. They don't look for steroids either way. Or find a gay lube oil and on declaration is a lube do you think it will send that for testing? Be serious.
Millions of parcels enter us each day chances to open the container with raws are low,chances to destroy a toy to look inside are even lower.
Do you know how Panda send his raws with normal post that requires a invoice to show to them? It will be the same

 

[Avies48]

If that were to happen that be a nice thing but it ought to be produced in USA otherwise the huge potential tariffs would make it pricey.

Would LOVE to see test get deregulated even...we can only dream!

Oh you mean the raising of prices to obtain 400% margin? Fuck no… id still but from ch y na

 

[pipo]

U.S. Administration Takes Executive Action on Section 321 De Minimis Imports: What We Know So Far and What to Expect Next

Discover Flexport APIs and EDIs to speed, scale, and optimize your supply chain. Developer tools make it easy to instantly access logistics data and vital cargo and global trade documentation in the Flexport Platform or your ERP.

www.flexport.com

The excessive order implemented the most important elements of cracking down on contraband slipping in with all the Temu and Shein "de minimus" customs exempts packs found in the new laws awaiting passage:

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This requires the recipient to be accurately identified (or else):

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The executive order requires a far more detailed description of the contents of the thousands of small packs in the shipping container, which because of the way the law works, makes the shipping company more responsible for the packages in their container than they were before. Previously, if something wasn't described accurately, or even contained illegal drugs, the shipping company could say "wasn't our fault, it was our customer who lied". No more after this change. It's like UPS being forced to guarantee you aren't sending illegal stuff using their service. If something is found, UPS could be on the hook for millions in penalties. You can be sure if that was the case, they'd only accept your package after inspecting it themselves or only accept packages from trusted companies:

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This is already happening in EU. Here you have to pay vat for everything and import duties if it's pass 150€.
Everything enter in EU like always. Nothing new man like I already told you.

 

[BP_6]

I will keep good stock. However at the same time I am not going to panic buy or be constantly worried about some massive crackdown as that will do no good and just stress you out. If it happens, I will then deal with it.