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songsofpyramids said:
Unless this election drastically changes the composition of the House and Senate, which polls suggest is increasingly unlikely, then yah it’s basically a guarantee. Have you been paying attention to Congress the last 10-15 years?



It just came out of committee, that means most special interests don’t even care about it yet really. Also it doesn’t even really matter if there is no opposition, as laws get sabotaged after committee before the floor in a myriad of ways even if it has overwhelming support politically and publicly.



I’d take that bet because it’s clear you don’t understand the American legislative system and that literally nothing passes unanimously in the House, and hardly anything unanimously passes the Senate that isn’t national security funding related, and even that’s controversial now. That’s an easy bet.

The bill itself is a hollow set of ideas they want implemented, and the implementation of those ideas will take years of other committees working out how to make this possible. It’s 22 pages (nothing) and lacks almost entirely any details on *how* it will be implemented.

This is fear mongering at this stage. A change may be coming, but it’s not anywhere near as rapid as you’re panicking about.


Text of the bill if anyone’s interested in seeing what’s proposed,
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I pay very close attention, and the "tell" you don't is that there are multiple bills pending, budget allocations, and "staging" by the authorities to put the prerequisites for quick approval in place. This is how government behaves when it's clear legislation is inbound.

This is NOT the same as a single grandstanding, toothless issue that comes and quickly goes as attention is focused elsewhere.

There are too many motivators and vested interests all pulling in the same direction, from industry losing money to cheap Chinese goods escaping duties and sales taxes,. unions representing workers in those industries, law enforcement seeking expanded powers and the budgets that accompany that, the revenue hungry government of a debt addled country, anti-China defense hawks, and the social groups trying to reduce the tidal wave of deadly overdoses, that have become the public "face" of this issue, adding emotion to the cold logic of the other supporters. . Opposition is made of non-voting Chinese retailers and freight companies.

Your comment, limited context, and the blase, ad hominem insults arise from a childlike desire for it not to be true, and the pruning of facts to "manifest" the
outcome you want.

The choice is yours, stock up just in case, and if this all comes to nothing, you'll just work through your surplus over time.

Or follow this head in the sand advice, and particularly if you're not "plugged in", reliant on self administered "TRT" for instance, see how your quality of life goes for you in the absence of ready availability for some indeterminate amount of time.
 
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Qingdao Sigma Chemicals said:
Things are getting strict again
Raws and steroids shortages are expected the next weeks or months.
Some steroid raws products might not be restocked for a while, and it might affect the oils stocks as well.
I advise you to take advantage of current last days of the promo because we don’t plan to redo oils promos for while.
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QSC doesn't make clear if the issue is on the China end, the outbound freight companies who risk being suspended and losing millions for allowing falsely declared goods to slip through with the tidal wave of other packages(several of which were made short term "examples of" a few months ago), or the stirrings of a reinvigorated US customs preparing to implement, after years of mostly giving up, the stricter stance towards China.

Tracy may give more details, but I wouldn't expect him to say anything detrimental to his business or opsec.

If nothing else, a reminder interruptions can happen any time, for many reasons. for indeterminate lengths, and a "buffer supply" is a smart strategy regardless.
 
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Plausible, could be something else, who knows. When was the last time raws manufacturers were clamped down on? Before my time...

China is the last remaining producer of AAS raws, like most pharmaceutical active ingredients, last time I checked
 
narta said:
There is always a cyclical clampdown on raw manufacturers that wonder outside of the policy of no sales inside China.
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Agree. In the last 4-5 years or so they’ve clamped down at different times for different reasons, eg on the manufacturing of specific raws that have a high intrinsic level of environmental harm (eg primo), targeted finished orals, specific API’s the Chinese authorities don’t like / regard as harmful to health & then the was the issue of distributors getting involved in also selling recreational / street drugs & precursors, eg “The Queen” being busted.

Nothing new here so far & shouldn’t be assumed to be anything worth worrying about.

If anything, members making a song & dance out of this is just likely to encourage some raws sources to exploit forum paranoia & hike up prices big time, just like the likes of Panda et al did about 3 years ago.
 
Ghoul said:
Plausible, could be something else, who knows. When was the last time raws manufacturers were clamped down on? Before my time...
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How long have you been active on IPED forums?

Ps: not baiting, just genuinely curious.
 
Zebedee said:
Agree. In the last 4-5 years or so they’ve clamped down at different times for different reasons, eg on the manufacturing of specific raws that have a high intrinsic level of environmental harm (eg primo), targeted finished orals, specific API’s the Chinese authorities don’t like / regard as harmful to health & then the was the issue of distributors getting involved in also selling recreational / street drugs & precursors, eg “The Queen” being busted.

Nothing new here so far & shouldn’t be assumed to be anything worth worrying about.

If anything, members making a song & dance out of this is just likely to encourage some raws sources to exploit forum paranoia & hike up prices big time, just like the likes of Panda et al did about 3 years ago.
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Do you (or your cohort) understand the "shipping line" that's used by every single AAS vendor sending gear to the US?

In short, a container of thousands of small packages declared to all be below the $800 "de minimus" threshold are consolidated, and a manifest specifying the presumptively duty free content is transmitted to customs, and the entire container, in most cases, bypasses customs inspection.

This is the basis of the "golden age" of AAS availability in the US.

Even in the absence of any of the legislation that's certain to pass, the Executive Orders issued in September are sufficient on their own to kill the primary method by which gear gets into the hands of US customers.

Requiring far more specific details on the manifest, and forcing the shipping company to attest that they have affirmatively identified the shipper's identity, will be enough to make anyone trying to send packs of AAS to the US persona non grata. Several vendors here have already been banned from using shippers, causing delays, and that's in a very permissive environment, not one that threatens millions of dollars of losses for each incident of contraband that "slips through" and gets into a container.

No multi-billion shipping company can afford being suspended from participating in expedited clearance for 90 days because a random inspection finds even a single package of contraband, whose contents are fraudulently declared obviously, in a random inspection. Only trusted shippers will be able to get their packs into containers once that takes effect. The Chinese will conduct their own inspections given what's at stake.

Customs literally gave 6 major Chinese shippers a small taste of the amount of economic pain just such a suspension can inflect a few months ago, over minor discrepancies on manifests of these small packages.

Once the new rules go into effect, no shipping company will stick their neck out for packs coming from any but the most above board companies . Small companies, or anyone they have any doubts of will have their packages sequestered, separated from the container, and handed off to customs for manual clearance. "We're not vouching for these" will be the policy.

This is a US centric issue, which I wouldn't expect you to have any familiarity with.

There is no parallel in the UK.

Notice in the title I specified (US). That was aimed at you.

Zebedee said:
I just don't want to see (understandable) typical Meso US-centric OPSEC paranoia in UK threads. It's relevant for US threads, but misplaced & misleading to UK & EU members, particularly newbies.
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I don't want to see your myopic, Guardian reader, leftist understanding of US policy to inform the decision making of those who, unlike you, will be on the receiving end of its consequences.

Any idea that a few American members here should avoid "stocking up" as an insurance policy in light of very real threats of a significant supply interruption, because it will drive up the prices you pay speaks to how little the typical Brit street Marxist understands markets. There are numerous suppliers here. They don't act in unison. There is not a "Commission of AAS dealers" fixing prices. If one raises another cutthroat Chinese merchant will be happy to take the business of a customer driven away by that gouging.

And as I keep emphasizing, the downside of modestly stocking up and it turning out to be unnecessary is minimal, but to be caught unaware, left high and dry for months, or longer, running out of much needed supplies could be dire in some cases.

And what would you say then? "Oh well, sorry."?
 
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Ghoul said:
Do you (or your cohort) understand the "shipping line" that's used by every single AAS vendor sending gear to the US?

In short, a container of thousands of small packages declared to all be below the $800 "de minimus" threshold are consolidated, and a manifest specifying the presumptively duty free content is transmitted to customs, and the entire container, in most cases, bypasses customs inspection.

This is the basis of the "golden age" of AAS availability in the US.

Even in the absence of any of the legislation that's certain to pass, the Executive Orders issued in September are sufficient on their own to kill the primary method by which gear gets into the hands of US customers.

Requiring far more specific details on the manifest, and forcing the shipping company to attest that they have affirmatively identified the shipper's identity, will be enough to make anyone trying to send packs of AAS to the US persona non grata. Several vendors here have already been banned from using shippers, causing delays, and that's in a very permissive environment, not one that threatens millions of dollars of losses for each incident of contraband that "slips through" and gets into a container.

No multi-billion shipping company can afford being suspended from participating in expedited clearance for 90 days because a random inspection finds even a single package of contraband, whose contents are fraudulently declared obviously, in a random inspection. Only trusted shippers will be able to get their packs into containers once that takes effect. The Chinese will conduct their own inspections given what's at stake.

Customs literally gave 6 major Chinese shippers a small taste of the amount of economic pain just such a suspension can inflect a few months ago, over minor discrepancies on manifests of these small packages.

Once the new rules go into effect, no shipping company will stick their neck out for packs coming from any but the most above board companies . Small companies, or anyone they have any doubts of will have their packages sequestered, separated from the container, and handed off to customs for manual clearance. "We're not vouching for these" will be the policy.

This is a US centric issue, which I wouldn't expect you to have any familiarity with.

There is no parallel in the UK.

Notice in the title I specified (US). That was aimed at you.



I don't want to see your myopic, Guardian reader, leftist understanding of US policy to inform the decision making of those who, unlike you, will be on the receiving end of its consequences.

Any idea that a few American members here should avoid "stocking up" as an insurance policy in light of very real threats of a significant supply interruption, because it will drive up the prices you pay speaks to how little the typical Brit street Marxist understands markets. There are numerous suppliers here. They don't act in unison. There is not a "Commission of AAS dealers" fixing prices. If one raises another cutthroat Chinese merchant will be happy to take the business of a customer driven away by that gouging.

And as I keep emphasizing, the downside of modestly stocking up and it turning out to be unnecessary is minimal, but to be caught unaware, left high and dry for months, or longer, running out of much needed supplies could be dire in some cases.

And what would you say then? "Oh well, sorry."?
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Neither @narta or I wasn’t talking about that issue, fat-boy.

YOU asked about previous CHINESE clampdowns & that is what my post is about, not your US Deminus or whatever issues, which is something entirely different.

So once again, you’ve just shown yourself to be a petty, thin-skinned egotistical little bitch that can’t let go of previous criticism - narcissism in action.

This one’s for you & your “food noise” …


View: https://youtu.be/LgLMO4dAImM?si=BBnsALWvdaxBRQXT
 
Ghoul said:
Do you (or your cohort) understand the "shipping line" that's used by every single AAS vendor sending gear to the US?

In short, a container of thousands of small packages declared to all be below the $800 "de minimus" threshold are consolidated, and a manifest specifying the presumptively duty free content is transmitted to customs, and the entire container, in most cases, bypasses customs inspection.

This is the basis of the "golden age" of AAS availability in the US.

Even in the absence of any of the legislation that's certain to pass, the Executive Orders issued in September are sufficient on their own to kill the primary method by which gear gets into the hands of US customers.

Requiring far more specific details on the manifest, and forcing the shipping company to attest that they have affirmatively identified the shipper's identity, will be enough to make anyone trying to send packs of AAS to the US persona non grata. Several vendors here have already been banned from using shippers, causing delays, and that's in a very permissive environment, not one that threatens millions of dollars of losses for each incident of contraband that "slips through" and gets into a container.

No multi-billion shipping company can afford being suspended from participating in expedited clearance for 90 days because a random inspection finds even a single package of contraband, whose contents are fraudulently declared obviously, in a random inspection. Only trusted shippers will be able to get their packs into containers once that takes effect. The Chinese will conduct their own inspections given what's at stake.

Customs literally gave 6 major Chinese shippers a small taste of the amount of economic pain just such a suspension can inflect a few months ago, over minor discrepancies on manifests of these small packages.

Once the new rules go into effect, no shipping company will stick their neck out for packs coming from any but the most above board companies . Small companies, or anyone they have any doubts of will have their packages sequestered, separated from the container, and handed off to customs for manual clearance. "We're not vouching for these" will be the policy.

This is a US centric issue, which I wouldn't expect you to have any familiarity with.

There is no parallel in the UK.

Notice in the title I specified (US). That was aimed at you.



I don't want to see your myopic, Guardian reader, leftist understanding of US policy to inform the decision making of those who, unlike you, will be on the receiving end of its consequences.

Any idea that a few American members here should avoid "stocking up" as an insurance policy in light of very real threats of a significant supply interruption, because it will drive up the prices you pay speaks to how little the typical Brit street Marxist understands markets. There are numerous suppliers here. They don't act in unison. There is not a "Commission of AAS dealers" fixing prices. If one raises another cutthroat Chinese merchant will be happy to take the business of a customer driven away by that gouging.

And as I keep emphasizing, the downside of modestly stocking up and it turning out to be unnecessary is minimal, but to be caught unaware, left high and dry for months, or longer, running out of much needed supplies could be dire in some cases.

And what would you say then? "Oh well, sorry."?
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Ghoul,
I'm afraid your wrong about this.
As you can see in the photo below—taken at the most recent Commission of AAS dealers meeting—Tracy made a special appearance to green light the next highly debated price fix.
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Is a millions dollars business worldwide. They will find a way to produce, export and import the raws.
A business like this will simple not die but it will reinvent the method to get things done.
In China is the same guy that have power for the last 20 years or so. If he wanted to do something about this it would have done but the most that is happening is a bit of noise before the Olympics or before a big event and then back to normal.
At the end of 2019 was again the info that raws will get banned and 5 years later I can buy kilos without a issue. Same shit different day now.
India produce some raws if China will have some temporary trouble to provide.

Also I have seen on YouTube a documentary about fentanyl and now it's produced in Mexico by cartels. Don't know how true is that tho.
 
Spaceman Spiff said:
Leaving it open ended leaves him a chance to be right.
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I can point to the detailed legislation to clamp down on de minimus, the product of more congressional focus than any other issue over the last 2 years, a clear priority that has the intense attention of a multitude of powerful interests from industry, unions, law enforcement, government finance, and the public watching tens of thousands of their children die every year. Specific tactics the CBP is putting into place, "practice" crackdowns that, overnight. have broken Indian pharma's ability to ship anything controlled to the US. Countless articles about the coming crackdown in every major newspaper, industry trade journals from apparel to cargo, and business bracing itself for massive changes. Hundreds of Chinese companies including giants like Temu and Schein spending billions on changing their operations by establishing warehouses in the US and Mexico jn anticipation of all this taking place.

They can't stop the fentanyl precursors, the Glock switch machine guns that are flooding every city, the counterfeits industry and unions are screaming is killing them, and the tens of billions of dollars of customs duty the government. is losing to evasion without also stopping your box of steroids

...and some ignorant cunts who never heard the term "de minimus" before, have no idea how their drugs get from China to the US, have no memory that it wasn't long ago getting things through US customs was 20x more difficult or that there are plenty of. countries with "no reship" policies because they manage to confiscate more than gets through, come along say it's all meaningless unless you can specify the exact day, and nothing will change from the near Amazon like ease they can get their Schedule III drugs now.

The package of executive orders put out a month ago are enough to cut off the flow, and those are working their way through the bureaucracy towards implementation in a matter of months.

But keep putting your head in the sand, wishing it away, leaning on the ignorance you wear like a badge of honor, and when it does happen in 2 months, or 6, or a year, dismiss it as a coincidence that couldn't have been foreseen.

When the "golden age" of easily moving contraband from China to the US ends, it'll be all at once. There won't be a "heads up for last call".
 
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pipo said:
Is a millions dollars business worldwide. They will find a way to produce, export and import the raws.
A business like this will simple not die but it will reinvent the method to get things done.
In China is the same guy that have power for the last 20 years or so. If he wanted to do something about this it would have done but the most that is happening is a bit of noise before the Olympics or before a big event and then back to normal.
At the end of 2019 was again the info that raws will get banned and 5 years later I can buy kilos without a issue. Same shit different day now.
India produce some raws if China will have some temporary trouble to provide.

Also I have seen on YouTube a documentary about fentanyl and now it's produced in Mexico by cartels. Don't know how true is that tho.
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Of course it will not "die", but right now you can buy AAS with nearly ease of buying from Amazon. And that's not even the focus of any of the enforcement coming our way.

The problem is it's just as easy to buy machine gun parts, pill presses, and fentanyl precursors. When they stop those, they'll be stopping the flow of AAS through the same channels, and we'll be back to the way it was 20 years ago that the "old timers" will tell you sucked compared to how it is now. Much higher prices. worse quality, much smaller selection.
 
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