STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)

[egruberman]

If this was the only issue you based your vote on (hopefully it isn't), who are you voting for?

Probably best not to wade into this territory.

 

[bighunanballs]

Real talk. My best friend IRL thinks I'm batshit crazy for dealing in the underground and pays $150 for a vial of testosterone from a TRT clinic.

If this whole de minimus thing comes into fruition (which I still kinda doubt, like the government all of a sudden working at 110% efficiency? what?)...

If this was the only issue you based your vote on (hopefully it isn't), who are you voting for?

guns, ammo, silver, gold, now raws powders and pharma dick & clen pills getting hoarded in American Gun safes all over the country

 

[DECLAN]

Real talk. My best friend IRL thinks I'm batshit crazy for dealing in the underground and pays $150 for a vial of testosterone from a TRT clinic.

If this whole de minimus thing comes into fruition (which I still kinda doubt, like the government all of a sudden working at 110% efficiency? what?)...

If this was the only issue you based your vote on (hopefully it isn't), who are you voting for?

Does it matter, two wings from the same bird right? Both serve the same master lol

 

[Demondosage]

We would do the same shit, but we would pop a speaker out of the old speaker box and fill it with gear. Definitely had to know what to get. T200, Deca 50, and EQ 100 and good old reforvit B (liquid Dbol) was about all you could buy most everything else was bunk. Crazy to think I spent most of my 20’s shooting that year and never had an issue, infection nothing. We got to know one of the pharmacists so well we would call him 2 weeks before we went down told him what we needed and he would have it all ready.

Glad to know I’m not the only one that feels old in here, reforvit B!!! Light years ago it seems now

 

[AlexDavis43]

Probably best not to wade into this territory.

that's fair

 

[Ghoul]

This has been my fear since starting gear. But I have a family and I am afraid of keeping distribution amounts. Where I live in the usa the police aggressively prosecute drug offenders because of the conservative atmosphere in the area. Also they are well funded and supported by the citizens because of strong religious views. I try to keep a low profile by ordering only once per year from 1-3 vendors at the same quick time.

I am open to suggestions on lowering risk further

Here's a suggestion. What do you think a "distribution" amount is?

What state are you referring to? Can you find any details about someone being prosecuted for steroid "distribution" based solely on possession? If not, is that because for steroids, unlike every other drug, the government is suppressing the news and standard law enforcement press releases they use to boast about enforcement? Are there secret courts and prisons filled with steroid possessors prosecuted for "distribution" we don't know about?

Too much ignorance leads to baseless paranoia and an inability to take rational action, when the reality is easy to establish with a little research.

In the vast majority of the country, a conviction for distribution of a controlled substance is NOT POSSIBLE based solely on quantity possessed without corroborating evidence of distribution.

2 minutes of research brings up a typical state law on the matter:



Oh, look at that. They need ACTUAL evidence of distribution.

Ok. but now you've been busted, somehow for possession, or you were dumb enough to sell. or even worse. MANUFACTURE the stuff. What's the worst case scenario? You have no criminal history. Are you going away for years? Blighted with a felony conviction???



Well look at that. You SHALL, not may, or could, but SHALL be eligible for pre-trial diversion, meaning you'll be subject to some terms for a few months, probably some drug counseling, and providing you don't get into any more trouble the case will be dismissed.

This is, incidentally, why in the very rare instances of someone being busted for a small shipment of steroids we see news about the arrest and never hear about it again. The Pennsylvania state trooper who's vial of tren leaked in a package leading to a raid by his fellow officers and a certain female body builder/influencer who sent herself a box stuffed with gear from Canada come to mind....

But what about the feds?? Surely the feds will drop the hammer on me if they find my stash!

Here are the penalties for trafficking, manufacturing. or importing steroids:



A level 6 penalty, 49 vials, is that same as it is for 1 gram of cannabis. That is, most likely probation. If it ever got that far. Even the next level up, 249 vials is most likely going to result in probation.

Could they raid your house on a charge with a ZERO to 6 month penalty range. Sure. They could, in theory. Judge for yourself how likely you think that would be to get authorized by a federal attorney, federal judge, and fbi/dea commander.

HOWEVER, a few hundred grams of raws can easily be a year or more in prison as each 100g is 4000 "units".

My point is not to minimize the seriousness of legal trouble, but to encourage you to do the basic research to gain some perspective, minimize risk, stop being paranoid and make rational decisions based on the facts.

 

[y777]

cui bono?

Too many Karens are buying their tirz from China and big pharma is losing out ….. I think that’s the main driver.

Consider how obese our country is and these peptides are gonna be even more and more demanded.

 

[The cruise vessel]

cui bono?

Too many Karens are buying their tirz from China and big pharma is losing out ….. I think that’s the main driver.

Consider how obese our country is and these peptides are gonna be even more and more demanded.

GLP-1's are the new Bitcoin.

 

[AlexDavis43]

GLP-1's are the new Bitcoin.

weird analogy, unless you were in bitcoin over a decado ago and are just now new to GLP-1's

 

[The cruise vessel]

weird analogy, unless you were in bitcoin over a decado ago and are just now new to GLP-1's

not really,
In an obsogenic world, they will be the most sought-after compound on the planet, and they are threatening the establishment of Big Food.

 

[BigDadd7]

GLP-1's are the new Bitcoin.

Nice way to demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[The cruise vessel]

Nice way to demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about.

totally, they are not the next big thing that are super valuable and in high demand with limited supply to normies.
You are correct.

 

[AlexDavis43]

not really,
In an obsogenic world, they will be the most sought-after compound on the planet, and they are threatening the establishment of Big Food.

totally, they are not the next big thing that are super valuable and in high demand with limited supply to normies.
You are correct.

are you buying stock in Novo Nordisk & Eli Lilly like you bought bitcoin in 2010?

 

[bubba618]

totally, they are not the next big thing that are super valuable and in high demand with limited supply to normies.
You are correct.

But whereas BTC continues to increase in value due to its programmed scarcity coupled with growing acceptance as barter currency, GLP-1RA compounds will always be losing value to newer products with better or more individualized functionality.

So, no... not the same.

 

[egruberman]

Both suffer from artificial scarcity, however.

 

[marsupial]

Ummmmmm. The 'war on drugs' doesn't get focused into a few large government facilities being sorted by Artificial Intelligence. Duh.

How the can you even compare the two?? Don't you understand what a usps sorting facility does????

What do you thinks gonna happen when a package gets flagged and seized by ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE? It ain't gonna be a confiscation letter like the good old days that's for sure. You really want to gamble with this, or just stock up just in case??

Even if folks DO stock up for years and years. Do they have enough pins and syringes stashed away to last however long until the gear runs out?? Doubt it.

Don’t people typically order syringes/needles in a way where they aren’t inspected by customs?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Don’t people typically order syringes/needles in a way where they aren’t inspected by customs?

I'm in USA so yeah can get needles & syringes from any pharmacy or medical supply shop online. It's not an issue here at all.

 

[bubba618]

Both suffer from artificial scarcity, however.

BTC's artificial scarcity though is programmatic and the underlying code cannot be changed without the consensus of the miners and we have seen repeated attempts to change the algorithmic scarcity fail over the years. The miners will not shoot themselves in the foot.

GLP-1RA medications have an artificial scarcity that stems from patent-holders refusal to increase production sufficiently to meet public demand, but that has been met by competitors with their own variations both as pharmaceuticals and as UGL products.

My point being that not all artificial scarcity is equal and thus not automatically comparable.

 

[CaptainTren]

This whole situation of massive amounts of contraband getting into the country is an anomaly. It's a side effect of de minimus making it possible for foreign companies to sell directly to Americans, tax and duty free, instead of shipping large quantities to warehouses like they used to, since they'd have to pay import duties and customers would pay sales tax. It's that huge mass of small packages that hides all the other stuff.

I agree they don't really seem to have been bothered by 50,000 prime age Americans being killed off every year by fentanyl. They finally took a bit of an interest in all the machine gun conversion parts and silencers coming in from China. After some dude in Texas had 17 seized glock switch shipments over 2 years seized they recently arrested him. I would've thought doing that ONCE would be a guaranteed raid but apparently not.

Forfeiture.gov shows a weekly report of everything seized at borders and mail processing centers. It's an interesting read and a massive amount of stuff. Some gear, raws, vials, but not a ton. More hard drugs than AAS.

Where on Forfeiture.gov does it have the weekly reports

 

[Ghoul]

While

Where on Forfeiture.gov does it have the weekly reports

https://www.forfeiture.gov/pdf/CBP/OfficialNotification.pdf