STOCK UP: Don't say you weren't warned! (US)

[lukiss96]

Shit, do you guys have this fucked up in the land of oppurtunity? Hard to believe.

 

[egruberman]

Anything remotely like powder or liquids or tabs can be then inspected by a human.

Sure, but that remains the case today and doesn't take "AI" to implement, but rather a bunch of labor, which is why they chose WFS and based on the level of GAF their employees tend to demonstrate, I suspect that it will continue to be reasonably easy to get packages through.

Certainly it's possible that our federal government might choose to implement a program with a third party contractor that becomes an effective use of funds and yields the desired outcomes the folks that funded it intend, but the probability is not high, especially when it comes to getting technology from a company for whom that technology is not the primary product. WFS is a lowest bidder cargo logistics firm specializing is using labor to move packages around.

I expect this goes off, it becomes a trainwreck and either they double down on funding or they announce some arbitrary success figures (stopped $NNN,NNN,NNN amount of fent precursors!) and then quietly starve the effort of funds over the course of the next several years until it ceases to exist.

 

[micro2000]

I love discussions and all but what we’re doing here is just making assumptions lol. Let them close everything who cares, maybe even good for the community.

This will even help people actually place more effort to nutrition and training rather than check what new peptides are available on group buys and sales by the Chinese vendors.

Most likely, peptides will be targeted as well.

 

[bjjgear]

I'm wondering how any of you believe "AI" is going to identify gear and be able to make a distinction between that and perfectly legal packages?

It won't. The entire situation is going to be perfectly fine.

Containers like vials can change shape and size. AI isn't some magical technology where it can look at the liquids and powders, test it, and determine what it is. This entire thread is FUD.

 

[TestosTyrone]

I love discussions and all but what we’re doing here is just making assumptions lol. Let them close everything who cares, maybe even good for the community.

This will even help people actually place more effort to nutrition and training rather than check what new peptides are available on group buys and sales by the Chinese vendors.

Watch everyone lowers their dose to save gear while simultaneously improving their blood work lol

 

[jankoch]

It won't. The entire situation is going to be perfectly fine.

Containers like vials can change shape and size. AI isn't some magical technology where it can look at the liquids and powders, test it, and determine what it is. This entire thread is FUD.

Nobody in their sane mind thinking AI can magically detect powders as what compound it is RN. But humans who mostly do the Xray scans can't either. They still check it under Xray and if its suspicious they open it.

AI just make it way more effective. Can recognize patterns and learn quickly if sellers start to counter their methods.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bur5g2rvXog

imagine people sorting tomatoes by hand. Right now that is what customs do,just not with tomatos but packages. Then imagine the technology would speed that all up as it did with the tomatos. Ofc packages are way more difficult but technology improved a lot in the last 5 years.

Maybe it wont come so soon as now but in 5-10 years i would be surprised when not widespread.

 

[bjjgear]

Nobody in their sane mind thinking AI can magically detect powders as what compound it is RN. But humans who mostly do the Xray scans can't either. They still check it under Xray and if its suspicious they open it.

AI just make it way more effective. Can recognize patterns and learn quickly if sellers start to counter their methods.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bur5g2rvXog

imagine people sorting tomatoes by hand. Right now that is what customs do,just not with tomatos but packages. Then imagine the technology would speed that all up as it did with the tomatos. Ofc packages are way more difficult but technology improved a lot in the last 5 years.

Maybe it wont come so soon as now but in 5-10 years i would be surprised when not widespread.

I'm not saying technology won't improve processes for finding contraband: of course it will, and of course it is already. But shitting your pants and ordering a grand worth of gear because some firm is implementing some form of AI at a package sorting facility is jumping the gun.

 

[RaddishPork]

LOL, you don't understand the difference between something being "available" with almost the same ease, variety, quality and low pricing as buying from Amazon, and "available" like brown tar heroin from dealer in some shady neighborhood.

Ask the old timers how much it sucked to buy gear 20 years ago to get a clue.

Most of the heroin I’ve ever bought was from upper middle class white suburbs. Do not let the perception of “more law” fool you into thinking that they follow or enforce it any more. But that’s besides the point.

Just to play devils advocate, there are a lot of things that are legal to order overseas. Will this new AI be able to know the difference between say, SARMs and Anabolic Oils? What about semaglutide vs melanotan? Especially in unmarked vials or packages. Things can get flagged as “suspicious” packages but that will still require search, confiscation, and testing of these packages to actually prove they’re illegal and not in the gray area of “allowed” drugs. And it could definitely fuck up international orders but it only takes one mass shipment to get through and fill up some domestic warehouses for a bit.

I don’t think we’ll have this freedom forever but I won’t be too worried until FUNDING gets placed for all the extra searches. And even then, I don’t trust our government to use even 25% of that funding for its intended purposes.
How much money did the Biden administration put into all those new IRS agents? And what major busts or takedowns have the accomplished that hit headlines? None I can think of.

Now once these rich soccer moms start dying from tainted semaglutide or misusing peptides, the ball will really start moving.

 

[SpaceGhost]

Sure, but that remains the case today and doesn't take "AI" to implement, but rather a bunch of labor, which is why they chose WFS and based on the level of GAF their employees tend to demonstrate, I suspect that it will continue to be reasonably easy to get packages through.

That's the thing. They can put all the money and tech they want into it, the average person there is going to treat it like any other job and let shit through because it'll make the 12 hour shift easier.

 

[egruberman]

They can put all the money and tech they want into it, the average person there is going to treat it like any other job and let shit through because it'll make the 12 hour shift easier.

Precisely. I am certain they will find some fentanyl precursors and call it a success. I'm also fairly certain that the pass rate for gear will not begin to approach zero. Nobody cares that much.

AI just make it way more effective. Can recognize patterns and learn quickly if sellers start to counter their methods.

Can recognize patterns and learn quickly? One of these things is true. A properly tuned AI model can do a phenomenal job of image recognition, but it doesn't learn quickly.

To facilitate "learning quickly" one has to have a really good pipeline for ML models. That is to say, the training data must be of high quality and so if some aspect changes that requires retraining the model, there'll be a gap until enough data is generated and properly tagged, to re-train a new model. That new model will then need to be deployed into the field.

Sounds pretty simple, but I've seen some of the most technically advanced companies in the world fuck this up in a big way. In my experience, when an artifact (like an ML model) is deployed to something in the field in an industrial setting, i.e. like an xray machine for cargo handling, the iteration time on those artifacts is something like years at best and never at worst.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Watch everyone lowers their dose to save gear while simultaneously improving their blood work lol

*chef's kiss*

not kidding

 

[bigMoJo]

Shit, do you guys have this fucked up in the land of oppurtunity? Hard to believe.

Sadly, yes... as we've been reading.

Sure, but that remains the case today and doesn't take "AI" to implement, but rather a bunch of labor, which is why they chose WFS and based on the level of GAF their employees tend to demonstrate, I suspect that it will continue to be reasonably easy to get packages through.

Certainly it's possible that our federal government might choose to implement a program with a third party contractor that becomes an effective use of funds and yields the desired outcomes the folks that funded it intend, but the probability is not high, especially when it comes to getting technology from a company for whom that technology is not the primary product. WFS is a lowest bidder cargo logistics firm specializing is using labor to move packages around.

I expect this goes off, it becomes a trainwreck and either they double down on funding or they announce some arbitrary success figures (stopped $NNN,NNN,NNN amount of fent precursors!) and then quietly starve the effort of funds over the course of the next several years until it ceases to exist.

The whole thing is a trainwreck bro.

AI is simply an algorithm. It can't "think." It can't and never will "feel." It just processes alot more information faster. G00g1e algorithm is the same thing, but "AI" is just a level up. Searching containers needs alot of manpower, AI will never have any manpower, unless you believe in the Terminater movies. Who's opening the containers and putting the packages through the x-ray? The AI without any hands? Who's re-sealing then re-shipping clear packages? Is the AI going to build its own robots to do all this? Can the robots handle fragile packages? What if that shit breaks all over the robot, who' repairing it? Another robot? Is all this a shit-storm of a problem or what? Get it yet?

Ok, your gonna make all that work... AI, robots, magic searches, whatever. How is all that getting paid for?

The money is in the trade continuing. Not slowing it and spending money no-one has, or cares to spend, on stopping people from getting their pricks hard with shit mailed from India.

@bjjgear is right... don't shit your pants.

 

[ThinkTrenbolone]

Buying 1kg soon. Already got 7 years worth.

 

[egruberman]

Buying 1kg soon. Already got 7 years worth.

As the kids say, "username checks out".

 

[ThinkTrenbolone]

As the kids say, "username checks out".

Ghost is whst got me paranoid homebrewing. Blame him

 

[UncleBuns]

Lol, So much extreme pessimism and paranoia in here. Look at the track record of trying to keep anything out of the United States over the last six decades. Of course they print news articles about big busts and are always talking big about how they're cracking down. They want to create the illusion that they have everything under control in the eyes of the general public. The percentage of what they catch versus what gets through is really low. The streets are full of illegal compounds coming from overseas. If there's money to be made importing it, there'll be plenty of it crossing the border.

My prediction is everything will just carry on as normal.

 

[ThinkTrenbolone]

Lol, So much extreme pessimism and paranoia in here. Look at the track record of trying to keep anything out of the United States over the last six decades. Of course they print news articles about big busts and are always talking big about how they're cracking down. They want to create the illusion that they have everything under control in the eyes of the general public. The percentage of what they catch versus what gets through is really low. The streets are full of illegal compounds coming from overseas. If there's money to be made importing it, there'll be plenty of it crossing the border.

My prediction is everything will just carry on as normal.

Doesn't hurt to stock up considering how cheap it truly is to homebrew. One deep freezer and some vaccume sealed bags and your good. Everything I plan on using in the next 20 years I'll have bulk off.

 

[vh1191]

Where there’s market, there will always be a vendor, it’s the rule of supply and demand.

If we survived ORD, SSB and various operations cracking down on steroids, this is nothing. You guys in the USA already enjoy a very lax customs and the size of your population helps checking the packages even harder.

Gearheads like us are resourceful and resilient we will find ways to circumvent the new rules imposed, the fatties and karens are the most likely to struggle sourcing their beloved glps and peptides, I guess they will still have domestic sources and diabetic patients to buy off.

Bathtub and dirty kitchen brewers like myself with doomsday powder stashes don’t have to worry for the next 20 years lol, hell, I still have raws from 2008-2010.

How are you preserving your raws so that they are still potent a decade and a half later? Vacuum seal suffices?

 

[UncleBuns]

Doesn't hurt to stock up considering how cheap it truly is to homebrew. One deep freezer and some vaccume sealed bags and your good. Everything I plan on using in the next 20 years I'll have bulk off.

Oh I'm with you on that. I'm stocked with everything I could possibly need for many years. That's more because good sources come and go and I don't want to be caught needing something and not having a source I trust to go to. The cost for good product is very reasonable at this point. It's a pretty low bar to be GTG for 5 years or more.

 

[egruberman]

Look at the track record of trying to keep anything out of the United States over the last six decades. Of course they print news articles about big busts and are always talking big about how they're cracking down. They want to create the illusion that they have everything under control in the eyes of the general public.

Let me make an example for you: TSA. Their efforts, to quote a guy, are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.