temptation and striving for more.... but health should be the main goal in life

[foreveryoung]

spontaneous erection that is persisting this afternoon

 

[keriheat]

I dont really think he's going for superman here. Its an aggresive protocol for sure but 100mg a week never worked for him. Im pretty sure over the next 6months to a year he will probably dial back some stuff a little.

I think its also hard for some members to read about a successful protocol everyday because most people around here arent having much success.

This is a sampling of the past 35 days. Original quotes from foreveryoung.
You might call this protocol "successful"......me? not so much!

foreveryoung 7/27/2012
I am now in a struggle against the unhealthy desire to be superman

9/5/12
some worries still with acne and hair thinning

late evening libido dipped down and function was not as good

got a gusher of blood that sprayed on the sheet

it's the middle of the night and I just woke up, can't sleep, really strong erection and feeling a bit agitated with a dull headache...

I was still kind of spacy and got a bit of a stuffy nose and my eyes felt a little funny,

already thinking of going for more fun tomorrow

feel a bit grumpy, I'll see if this continues to hold true but it seems that a higher masteron than test dose doesn't feel quite as relaxing,

occasionally I get a bit of hot flashes

I feel it in my bad shoulder though,

I get silly with worry about ED even still,

a few hours later now and still have a bit of a dull viagra headache

I feel a little estrogenic right now

elbow and shoulder aching

urine flow is a little on the slow side

kind of felt like I was dragging my ass tonight, felt ok but a little tired

bit of a headache this afternoon, I am starting to think proviron might bring that on,

woke up with strong erection and libido

this is starting to be a completely reliable result of the injections the night before

woke up with zero libido and zero wood
just took 1/2 arimidex and went back to bed

went home and masturbated this afternoon

also sometimes difficult to reach orgasm

feel a little lethargic this afternoon,

joints are achy though

noticed a few more zits on my shoulders, not big ones, but noticed, hope that is not a trend

seem to need more sleep lately, 8 hours sleep and still feel like laying in bed

joints aching

not much libido this morning

masteron is a little on the painful side,
this could trigger a bit of a "test flu"

have been feeling a little achy lately and my last injection site a little sore,

I'm still thinking the joint ache is more from inflammation than from arimidex

elbows feel a little achy

last night libido was not that good and nearly impossible to orgasm

feel a little tired this afternoon

I am also of the belief that a wholistic approach to optimizing should be taken

feeling pretty good on this protocol, no flashes or swings, blood pressure is healthy, feel pretty even and a good confidence

woke up just now and typing this with a slight headache that has been a little annoying the last day, but not that bad

everything great other than this really minor headache, and a touch of ache in a couple of joints with old injuries

10/10/12
I am becoming very certain that after a couple of months it is still estrogen levels that must be controlled for best results, but not sure......

Now granted, I could post 35 days of positive quotes, which would only prove how "Jeckyll and Hyde" this protocol is. What will happen to his health in a year? I don't know, do those who think this is wise, know?
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[foreveryoung]

of course you can pull some negatives along the way, it is a work in progress. and also I want to be 100% honest of all things good or bad as I go, normal people not on trt have good or bad moments or insecurities sometimes too.

overall the positives way outweigh the negatives so far.

strange that you pick out the viagra side effects to post as a negative, lol

 

[keriheat]

of course you can pull some negatives along the way, it is a work in progress. and also I want to be 100% honest of all things good or bad as I go, normal people not on trt have good or bad moments or insecurities sometimes too.

overall the positives way outweigh the negatives so far.

strange that you pick out the viagra side effects to post as a negative,(Emphasis added) lol

I'm glad your research is truthful. That is the only way it can be beneficial to us.
Normal people don't usually have the Significant ups and downs, you have indicated, within in a 35 day time frame.

I am not to sure why I have responded to your protocol with such continued effort, and I don't want to appear as a troll, but I am concerned about your health and your need for such a risky regimen.

Why is the Viagra quote strange??

 

[foreveryoung]

Why is the Viagra quote strange??

well, because viagra is not really a part of the protocol, it is something that might be taken by someone whether they are on trt or not, and viagra has side effects that are well known, so including it in a list of negatives trying to make it look like a protocol is bad is not that useful

 

[foreveryoung]

Normal people don't usually have the Significant ups and downs, you have indicated, within in a 35 day time frame.

I disagree with this, if you take any normal person and have a one or two sentence comment on how they feel at moments every day, I think there would be significant ups and downs.

 

[keriheat]

I disagree with this, if you take any normal person and have a one or two sentence comment on how they feel at moments every day, I think there would be significant ups and downs.

People have been looking for the "fountain of youth" for thousand's of years. It is most elusive. We can effect a modicum of age-related issues, with diet and physical activity, whilst providing a feeling of self satisfaction, but there is a limit as to what we can control.

You are trying to achieve the sexual attributes that you felt when you were 20 years of age. Believe it or not, you were probably on the down side of your sexual peak that you may have attained when you were 17 or 18 years of age.

So know where are you? 40...45 years of age. If you dont learn to deal with the aging process, you will be most unhappy, in denial, or you will continue on the road you are on, which in my opinion has a significant downside.

It is one thing to want to be healthy and to maintain an adequate amount of sexual integrity. It is quite another to turn back the clock some 20 years. It appears from what you have said, you are healthy, physically fit and attractive to the opposite sex. I believe your fear of sexual failure is more in your head and not in your body and you are trying to compensate for the mental by ingesting drugs, which at the very least may wreck your health in the years to come.

You may have low testosterone, you well know there are fixes for that without turning yourself into a pharmacological cesspool. You are getting older...deal with it. You are not 20 and you wont ever be 20 again. You may need to spend some time doing mental gymnastics and give your body a rest.

You know? there is such a thing as trying to hard!

Consider this...Why aren't there any 45 year old professional baseball players?

 

[Tyler81]

Consider this...Why aren't there any 45 year old professional baseball players?

I dont know if that's the best example since there are some pretty old baseball players lol

 

[foreveryoung]

I dont know if that's the best example since there are some pretty old baseball players lol

and with our new understanding of how the substances are best used, if it wasn't against the rules to use gh and anabolics you would see lots of guys in their 50's still achieving new personal bests

 

[foreveryoung]

not much of a libido tonight, but had a really strong workout and my body is looking better and better, feel really good, confident and clear minded

 

[foreveryoung]

strong morning wood this early morning

 

[foreveryoung]

I should point out that I am also doing everything I can for health, with extreme discipline. My diet is extremely healthy, no processed food at all, no junkfood, no fastfood, many vegetables every day. Zero alcohol, no soda pop or any other junk, just healthy foods. Also, I am working out most days of the week, at least 4 or 5 days a week.

I'm doing everything I can with discipline to make this work.

 

[keriheat]

and with our new understanding of how the substances are best used, if it wasn't against the rules to use gh and anabolics you would see lots of guys in their 50's still achieving new personal bests

Why didn't Clemens keep pitching then?? He was on the juice and blew his arm out!

 

[keriheat]

I dont know if that's the best example since there are some pretty old baseball players lol

The point I was trying to make is...We get older and our minds and bodies will not do the same things that they did in our youth. The baseball player is an excellent illustration of the aging process taking it's toll on the physical ability to perform. The professional ballplayer starts out at 20-22 years of age, he hits his prime about 30-32 and he is done at about age 40. This pattern has repeated itself with rare exception for a hundred years...Whats not to understand??

 

[foreveryoung]

The point I was trying to make is...We get older and our minds and bodies will not do the same things that they did in our youth. The baseball player is an excellent illustration of the aging process taking it's toll on the physical ability to perform. The professional ballplayer starts out at 20-22 years of age, he hits his prime about 30-32 and he is done at about age 40. This pattern has repeated itself with rare exception for a hundred years...Whats not to understand??

pitching is one thing, but I bet you'd see many hitters able to play well into their 50's if they were allowed to use science to support their bodies with hormones

 

[bax]

Easily could play into late 40s or early 50s with the right chemical help. Not pitchers but you could def see at the very minimum designated hitters that age. Bonds would still be playing today had he not been caught and blacklisted.

 

[keriheat]

Easily could play into late 40s or early 50s with the right chemical help. Not pitchers but you could def see at the very minimum designated hitters that age. Bonds would still be playing today had he not been caught and blacklisted.

Likewise for Bernie Madoff!!

 

[foreveryoung]

very good function and orgasm last night, after a few weeks on caber it seems to be really improving the function and solving the difficulty to orgasm issue, but with a bad side of side effects, so it is a tough situation

extreme wood this morning

the caber side effects are an annoyance, bit of depression at times and a lot of tiredness and lethargy a lot of the time, I have experienced this in the past with caber

 

[foreveryoung]

I should mention that I had bumped my cabergoline dose up and I might need to back it down quite a bit and see if benefits remain vs sides, coffee helps but not sure if relying on caffeine is a wise thing

 

[foreveryoung]

drank a strong coffee and feel better...

all these brain chemical interactions are complicated....dopamine, serotonin, epinephrine, norep.. etc..