temptation and striving for more.... but health should be the main goal in life

Mob, you mentioned deca in your post. Horrible horrible line of thinking there. If you've ever experienced Ed, and want it to get exponentially worse, sure go ahead and take deca.
 
I was fine, in fact at my peak, 6 months in. I'm interested to see where you'll be at just a little over a year. That's when I began to notice everything. You can't keep it up forever.

I gotta agree with mob. He's speaking from experience. I hope foreveryoung it continues to work for you. I just think you must be pushing ridiculous peak levels. And the fact you dont do blood tests doesnt help lol

Maybe you should do a blood test just to see where you're at
 
I was fine, in fact at my peak, 6 months in. I'm interested to see where you'll be at just a little over a year. That's when I began to notice everything. You can't keep it up forever.

I'll keep posting for years, hopefully all you guys keep posting here too, even those that come off for a while it is very helpful to all if you keep posting the experiences while off too


in the past I have done long runs of a year before too, years ago, but didn't understand the importance of estrogen control back then and experimented with hcg etc. and the experience was always frustrating
 
update

function and erections are great, able to have strong orgasm late at night and then wake up 6 hours later in the morning with very strong morning wood every day

physique looks fine, strength is fine

let estrogen creep up a time or two over the last few weeks and confirming that for me keeping estrogen down is important, sometimes arimidex in small doses is not good enough, but a small dose of letrozole always solves the issue and seems to last for days

current protocol 125 mg cyp every 4 days with a small letrozole dose on injection day
 
Good to here man. Keep it up. It sounds like you've got it down to a science. As long as you keep your e2 in check, you'll be fine. One question, does low shbg become a problem for you with levels so high?
 
update

function and erections are great, able to have strong orgasm late at night and then wake up 6 hours later in the morning with very strong morning wood every day

physique looks fine, strength is fine

let estrogen creep up a time or two over the last few weeks and confirming that for me keeping estrogen down is important, sometimes arimidex in small doses is not good enough, but a small dose of letrozole always solves the issue and seems to last for days

current protocol 125 mg cyp every 4 days with a small letrozole dose on injection day

Why did you drop the Masteron?
 
Did you lose hair on Masteron, or were you just concerned that it could occur some time in the future?

always hard to know for sure to blame one thing, but I did lose more hair in the last six months than I have ever, and my gut feeling is to blame the masteron and proviron

since I eased off of those it seems like I am not seeing as much loose hairs around, now I am just hoping that the receded hairline that occured in the last six months will start to reverse and grow a little bit back again
 
update, the last week or so I have pulled down my dosage a little bit

now going with 125mg e4d with a little arimidex/letrozole on injection day
 
been going with the lower dose for test for awhile, and experimenting with very little to no AI, just to see, and to take a break from the AI's

libido is pretty much zero now, functional enough to ejaculate once a week just out of the feeling of it being a good idea, but really couldn't care less either way

still doing ok in the gym, not as strong and recovery not as great, but still fine
 
been going with the lower dose for test for awhile, and experimenting with very little to no AI, just to see, and to take a break from the AI's

libido is pretty much zero now, functional enough to ejaculate once a week just out of the feeling of it being a good idea, but really couldn't care less either way

still doing ok in the gym, not as strong and recovery not as great, but still fine

I just saw this thread for the first time.

Truly sorry you went back to this dangerous game.

I'm in the midst of PCT right now, and I've sworn to myself I'm never using again.

Just reading your post reinforces my commitment. You threw away a half decade of natural recovery, all for nothing.

At least you're keeping us informed after such a long time however.
 
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I just saw this thread for the first time.

Truly sorry you went back to this dangerous game.

I'm in the midst of PCT right now, and I've sworn to myself I'm never using again.

Just reading your post reinforces my commitment. You threw away a half decade of natural recovery, all for nothing.

At least you're keeping us informed after such a long time however.

woah! not sure where your summary comes from exactly, I think the half decade of natural recovery was actually a big mistake

the rocky bumps along the road right now are not a big deal, I am not worried about that, I can live with no libido for awhile because I plan on changing things up again in the near future and this is just a small rest period in between times, there are things more important than libido, and using libido only as the most important thing would cause one to live unhealthily I think

as far as being natural goes, if I could change one thing going back in time, would be to never touch any testosterone or other hormones and prohormones in the very first place, and would live natural in the first place, in my opinion once the exogenous hormones are brought into play, the body changes and one is just as likely to never be the same again, and living naturally after that becomes an imperfect option...just my opinion from what I have seen

as it stands now, going off is not something I even consider, it is a bad idea at this stage of the game
 
woah! not sure where your summary comes from exactly, I think the half decade of natural recovery was actually a big mistake

the rocky bumps along the road right now are not a big deal, I am not worried about that, I can live with no libido for awhile because I plan on changing things up again in the near future and this is just a small rest period in between times, there are things more important than libido, and using libido only as the most important thing would cause one to live unhealthily I think

as far as being natural goes, if I could change one thing going back in time, would be to never touch any testosterone or other hormones and prohormones in the very first place, and would live natural in the first place, in my opinion once the exogenous hormones are brought into play, the body changes and one is just as likely to never be the same again, and living naturally after that becomes an imperfect option...just my opinion from what I have seen

as it stands now, going off is not something I even consider, it is a bad idea at this stage of the game

I agree, I wish I never touched any hormone. I am afraid that what you say is true, regarding your body never being the same again, but I hope I prove the exception.

I'm confused however. Libido, to me, seems so much more important than anything else. What are you getting from taking testosterone now that you didn't before? I know, in my case, I would be happy to go back to being moderately fit but with a normal libido. Are you doing TRT with a doctor? Or are you doing it yourself with black market gear?

I just turned 35, and for some reason - being huge just doesn't appeal to me anymore. It was not worth the price of admission.
 
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Libido, to me, seems so much more important than anything else. What are you getting from taking testosterone now that you didn't before? I know, in my case, I would be happy to go back to being moderately fit but with a normal libido.

I just turned 35, and for some reason - being huge just doesn't appeal to me anymore. It was not worth the price of admission.

Same.

I really wished I had never touched TRT in the first place because then my body would be fine without it. And when I say fine i mean a CONSISTENT libido.

Ahh well cest la vie
 
Same.

I really wished I had never touched TRT in the first place because then my body would be fine without it. And when I say fine i mean a CONSISTENT libido.

Ahh well cest la vie

Is this common? I feel like the more I read, the more TRT doesn't seem to be so ideal. Just like with steroids, the rave reviews are usually just in the beginning.

As I said above, I'm in the midst of PCT after a heavy cycle that I regret doing. I just had this fear I'd never recover or be normal again, and have been trying to take solace in TRT being the last ditch option. But the more I read, the more it seems like a less than ideal course of action.
 
took 0.1 mg of letrozole last night before bed

woke up with extreme morning wood

increase in libido stirring in the day, will see what the evening holds
 
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