Thegreytop expierences ? Opinions?

[Eman]

Word. To each their own. His autoreply could use some cleaning up and clarification though the damn thing is a mess right now. No complaints about the product, did right by me last time. I wouldn't mind giving this PD a go round but someone would need to pm me the treasure map.

He has a thread here. TP is kind of known for his communication issues I think. I don't really have a problem with him but yeah, could use some improvement.

There is a testing thread for generics going on right now as well you might want to check out.

 

[mands]

International is cheaper and usually faster shipping as it ships direct to you if you are in the correct zip code.

Domestic is more expensive. It's shipped internationally and then re-shipped form within the United States and takes longer.

This has been my experience.

mands

 

[Ed Plucker]

So I have 200 ius of thegreytop Hgh (the scratch off legit stuff) I checked em on the website and the serials match up so how much should I start on ? How do these stack up against pharma? (First time using Hgh) what should I expect?

Yeah its generic Chinese GH and is every bit as good as any pharma brand GH from the US. I don't understand what the problem is with Chinese GH. Its real 191-AA GH and is pure and legit. I have used it exclusively for the last year and have had as good results as I ever got from Serostim of Humatrope.

 

[ickyrica]

Yeah its generic Chinese GH and is every bit as good as any pharma brand GH from the US. I don't understand what the problem is with Chinese GH. Its real 191-AA GH and is pure and legit. I have used it exclusively for the last year and have had as good results as I ever got from Serostim of Humatrope.

From everything I've read I would have to respectfully disagree. It is good, no issues with it but it isn't pharma. No offense to anyone as I use it myself. It's just not pharma thougj

 

[Eman]

Yeah its generic Chinese GH and is every bit as good as any pharma brand GH from the US. I don't understand what the problem is with Chinese GH. Its real 191-AA GH and is pure and legit. I have used it exclusively for the last year and have had as good results as I ever got from Serostim of Humatrope.

No. Just no.

 

[Pissed Off User]

So far this thread has been pretty informative. I love seeing updated HGH info with tests of current products. When I did my initial research all of the labs were years old, and no current user reviews were available, much less interactive like on here. I have done blues and yellows from Naps, greys from TP, and Eurotropin from UncleZ, but never did labs.

Nothing much to say about the Naps. The UncleZ Eurotropin I think worked. Lots of symptoms, but I was also doing a lot of jiu-jitsu at the time and that tends to fuck up your wrists. But the greys are where it's at. I look great, feel good, and my core is the tightest it has ever been. If I end up getting a tumor, so be it.

One thing that stood out, and I want to clarify, is that TP and PD are moving the exact same grays? Because PD sounds like a much better option pricewise and communication wise, but I have used TP's and know they are legit.

 

[DickySmalls]

Getting my bloods (IGF-1) on the 24th for TheGreytop HGH. Ran first week @ 2 IU ED, second week @ 3 IU ED, third week @ 4 IU ED, this fourth week @ 5 IU ED. Baseline was:

 

[ickyrica]

That's cool man! 138 is the baseline?? I'm excited to see what happens. Thanks!

 

[DickySmalls]

That's cool man! 138 is the baseline?? I'm excited to see what happens. Thanks!

Yes, I am really excited to see what type of results I get. I've been on Accutane for months and am up to 100 mg ED. I thought that could be why my IGF-1 was low and Google'd "Accutane IGF-1" and found:

Short-term isotretinoin treatment decreases insulin-like growth factor-1 and insulin-like growth factor binding protein-3 levels: does isotretinoin affect growth hormone physiology?

Short-term isotretinoin treatment decreases insulin-like growth factor-1 and insulin-like growth factor binding protein-3 levels: does isotretinoin... - PubMed - NCBI

I have no IGF-1 tests before this but have still been on the same dose of Accutane since I got those bloods taken.

 

[Ed Plucker]

No. Just no.

I have used Serostim and Humatrope years ago and the new Chinese GH is every bit as good as serostim ever was for me. What makes pharma grade US produced GH better assuming they both use recombinant DNA technology which the Chinese and every nation on earth can make because the drug called somatropin recombinant can be produced in any country because the patent is expired and everyone can figure out how to synthesize something if they have a sample of it. Why does everyone on here use UG steroids? My supplier has the strongest gear I have ever used and I've used Upjohn Delatestryl, Sustanon from the pharmacy, real tren from pellets, deca, dbol, you name it. Why if someone can make these injectibles at home essentially can't china also produce generic somatropin. And GH is GH. If its 191-AA and weighs 220 daltons its GH. There should be no difference between pharma GH and generic GH. I have personally used a lot of both and didn't eve notice a difference.

 

[CdnGuy]

I have used Serostim and Humatrope years ago and the new Chinese GH is every bit as good as serostim ever was for me. What makes pharma grade US produced GH better assuming they both use recombinant DNA technology which the Chinese and every nation on earth can make because the drug called somatropin recombinant can be produced in any country because the patent is expired and everyone can figure out how to synthesize something if they have a sample of it. Why does everyone on here use UG steroids? My supplier has the strongest gear I have ever used and I've used Upjohn Delatestryl, Sustanon from the pharmacy, real tren from pellets, deca, dbol, you name it. Why if someone can make these injectibles at home essentially can't china also produce generic somatropin. And GH is GH. If its 191-AA and weighs 220 daltons its GH. There should be no difference between pharma GH and generic GH. I have personally used a lot of both and didn't eve notice a difference.

How is generic the same as Pharm GH?

 

[CdnGuy]

I used Serostim and Humatrope for three months at a time and I am actually getting better results with generic Chinese hGH.

@Ed Plucker waiting on your answer man! Please explain your bullshit....

 

[Sampei]

How is generic the same as Pharm GH?

In theory it's the same. Problem is consistency is not the same most of the time. But like test from the ugl can be the same as pharma test. Then it can be the same for HGH.

Just saying eh... he his full of shit Anyway.

 

[CdnGuy]

In theory it's the same. Problem is consistency is not the same most of the time. But like test from the ugl can be the same as pharma test. Then it can be the same for HGH.

Just saying eh... he his full of shit Anyway.

Yeah cuz right now certain sellers of generics aren't in some hot water over in Dr Jims thread right? lol

 

[Ed Plucker]

@Ed Plucker waiting on your answer man! Please explain your bullshit....

What? How is generic hGH like pharma GH? Its the same 191-AA hormone whether its pharma or generic. The patent on GH has expired so there is a lot of generic drugs being produced. Do you ever use generic drugs when you get a script from your doc? There's no difference between the generic and brand name. Once anyone gets a copy of a real substance its not hard to tell what it is and reverse engineer it. Its a synthetic copy of the hormone produced by the pituitary gland. Once you have the hormone how hard is it to create a synthetic copy of it. How do I know generic GH is as good as pharma GH? I had bloodwork done after shooting 5iu of Godtropin and then had my serum GH levels checked. They came back at 23.8. There's no way my serum GH could be this high without me taking real GH

 

[Sampei]

WHY don't you take a rope and hang yourself?

 

[ProfessorX]

What? How is generic hGH like pharma GH? Its the same 191-AA hormone whether its pharma or generic. The patent on GH has expired so there is a lot of generic drugs being produced. Do you ever use generic drugs when you get a script from your doc? There's no difference between the generic and brand name. Once anyone gets a copy of a real substance its not hard to tell what it is and reverse engineer it. Its a synthetic copy of the hormone produced by the pituitary gland. Once you have the hormone how hard is it to create a synthetic copy of it. How do I know generic GH is as good as pharma GH? I had bloodwork done after shooting 5iu of Godtropin and then had my serum GH levels checked. They came back at 23.8. There's no way my serum GH could be this high without me taking real GH

This is just some information to help you understand the difference between a TRUE GENERIC DRUG and BLACK MARKET HGH (counterfeit drug)

A generic drug (generic drugs, short: generics) is a drugdefined as "a drug product that is comparable to a brand/reference listed drug product in dosage form, strength, quality and performance characteristics, and intended use."[1] It has also been defined as a term referring to any drug marketed under its chemical name without advertising[2] or to the chemical makeup of a drug rather than to the advertised brand name under which the drug is sold.[3]

Although they may not be associated with a particular company, generic drugs are subject to the regulations of the governments of countries where they are dispensed. Generic drugs are labeled with the name of the manufacturer and the adopted name (nonproprietary name) of the drug.

A generic drug must contain the same active ingredients as the original formulation. According to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), generic drugs are identical or within an acceptable bioequivalent range to the brand-name counterpart with respect to pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic properties

A counterfeit medication or a counterfeit drug is a medication or pharmaceutical product which is produced and sold with the intent to deceptively represent its origin, authenticity or effectiveness. A counterfeit drug may contain inappropriate quantities of active ingredients, or none, may be improperly processed within the body (e.g., absorption by the body), may contain ingredients that are not on the label (which may or may not be harmful), or may be supplied with inaccurate or fake packaging and labeling. Medicines which are deliberately mislabeled to deceive consumers—including mislabeled but otherwise genuine generic drugs—are counterfeit.

The FDA does not use the term "generic" for biotechnology products. They call them "follow-on protein biologicals" and regulate them differently) ex.Sandoz Omnitrope

Less expensive, allegedly generic HGH products may contain contaminates, impurities that can cause an allergy to HGH. Adverse reactions may include rashes.

Such abnormalities (contaminates/impurities) still allow hormone activity, and the end product may seem to work quite well, but the altered molecules may stimulate immune reactions and cause allergy and desensitization to HGH over time, with subsequent and loss of hormone response in the body. Such autoimmunity has been reported from impure HGH, causing the body to neutralize internally produced as well as injected HGH

This is not to single out any particular "generic". There are some Black Market GH products out now that are legit. Nothing is regulated on the Black Market...so it's always hit or miss

 

[Eman]

There's no way my serum GH could be this high without me taking real GH

Not true.

Do you ever use generic drugs when you get a script from your doc? There's no difference between the generic and brand name

Also false.

I disagree with pretty much everything you posted there actually... these were just the two things that annoyed me the most.

I use generic GH myself so don't get me wrong, I don't actually have anything against it. But you're pushing a ton of misinformation around.

 

[DickySmalls]

Also false.

Not false; the issue is with the semantics of "generics. TheGreytop isn't an FDA approved generic but like the guy said:

Do you ever use generic drugs when you get a script from your doc? There's no difference between the generic and brand name

That is true:

FACT: FDA requires generic drugs to have the same quality and performance as brand name drugs.

• 
  When a generic drug product is approved, it has met rigorous standards established by the FDA with respect to identity, strength, quality, purity, and potency. However, some variability can and does occur during manufacturing, for both brand name and generic drugs. When a drug, generic or brand name, is mass-produced, very small variations in purity, size, strength, and other parameters are permitted. FDA limits how much variability is acceptable.

• Generic drugs are required to have the same active ingredient, strength, dosage form, and route of administration as the brand name product. Generic drugs do not need to contain the same inactive ingredients as the brand name product.

• The generic drug manufacturer must prove its drug is the same as (bioequivalent) the brand name drug. For example, after the patient takes the generic drug, the amount of drug in the bloodstream is measured. If the levels of the drug in the bloodstream are the same as the levels found when the brand name product is used, the generic drug will work the same.

• Through review of bioequivalence data, FDA ensures that the generic product performs the same as its respective brand name product. This standard applies to all generic drugs, whether immediate or controlled release.

• All generic manufacturing, packaging, and testing sites must pass the same quality standards as those of brand name drugs, and the generic products must meet the same exacting specifications as any brand name product. In fact, many generic drugs are made in the same manufacturing plants as brand name drug products.

Facts about Generic Drugs

 

[muscle96ss]

Not false; the issue is with the semantics of "generics. TheGreytop isn't an FDA approved generic but like the guy said:

Do you ever use generic drugs when you get a script from your doc? There's no difference between the generic and brand name

That is true:

FACT: FDA requires generic drugs to have the same quality and performance as brand name drugs.

• 
  When a generic drug product is approved, it has met rigorous standards established by the FDA with respect to identity, strength, quality, purity, and potency. However, some variability can and does occur during manufacturing, for both brand name and generic drugs. When a drug, generic or brand name, is mass-produced, very small variations in purity, size, strength, and other parameters are permitted. FDA limits how much variability is acceptable.

• Generic drugs are required to have the same active ingredient, strength, dosage form, and route of administration as the brand name product. Generic drugs do not need to contain the same inactive ingredients as the brand name product.

• The generic drug manufacturer must prove its drug is the same as (bioequivalent) the brand name drug. For example, after the patient takes the generic drug, the amount of drug in the bloodstream is measured. If the levels of the drug in the bloodstream are the same as the levels found when the brand name product is used, the generic drug will work the same.

• Through review of bioequivalence data, FDA ensures that the generic product performs the same as its respective brand name product. This standard applies to all generic drugs, whether immediate or controlled release.

• All generic manufacturing, packaging, and testing sites must pass the same quality standards as those of brand name drugs, and the generic products must meet the same exacting specifications as any brand name product. In fact, many generic drugs are made in the same manufacturing plants as brand name drug products.

Facts about Generic Drugs

Yes, generic drugs contain the same active ingredients as the brand name drugs. However, as you posted, the inactive ingredients do not have to be the same. And unfortunately, sometimes the inactive ingredients can interact with the active ingredients and change the effectiveness of the drug.