vivame
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@lightspan your estradiol level seems high... or is that more/less normal on a cycle?
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dnml
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Meaning that in the study if the bloods were drawn @ peak conc like LS's, they'd be 4600+ right?
But here's where the 250 vs 600 shot *could* come into play: the ratio of 600:4300 is similar to 250:1900.
Now how the prior 250 shot 3 days ago affects the bloods number is where it gets more difficult to calculate... I'm just not convinced its radically underdosed- yet. But yes it does seem somewhat low.
lightspan
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couldn't tell you, i didn't get bloodwork my first cycle. shocker, right?
i was using suspension here and there at the start of this cycle, on top of a 3 wk prop frontload and the test e. my estro got high enough that i was seeing sides and a bit of gyno, i overshot and crushed it, then got it level where it was, around 80, with 12.5 mg aro e3d. it was like playing whack a mole for a couple weeks. 80 wasn't giving me noticeable sides though.
BIGMESC
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Possibly, the idea that because the dose was split in 2 that the spike would not be as high must also take into account that because of the split dose the previous trough would not be as low.
The very idea of split doses is to maintain a consistent elevated blood level.
If the oscillation of the blood levels is closer to a straight line then the spike would not be as high and trough (nadir) would never be nearly as low.
Ozzy619
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This is my understanding too, but I could never explain it this well, thanks BigMesc
dnml
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Agreed... But the *Drop from peak to trough wouldn't be as large, the halved esther would still be more though.
1000ng/dl halved = 500... 500 ng/dl halved = 250... less dramatic drop (and therefore less sides), but still carrying over 250 vs 500.
In any case, looking fwd to more bloods.
1000ng/dl halved = 500... 500 ng/dl halved = 250... less dramatic drop (and therefore less sides), but still carrying over 250 vs 500.
In any case, looking fwd to more bloods.
It is important that the guys getting bloods follow protocol regarding the timing of blood draw compared to when their last shot was done. Getting the draw done too soon after, or too long after, will affect the results.
As stated previously, it is important that we are doing this with integrity and fairness to all involved.
It doesn't matter what our personal feelings are toward this or any other source. What matters is that we deal with EVERY source consistently, and use the means of testing and evaluating available to us, to make accurate and fair evaluations.
For the guys getting bloods done, please ask for guidance here if you are unsure of when you should get drawn in respect to your last shot. Also make sure you have been on cycle long enough to get an accurate result.
As stated previously, it is important that we are doing this with integrity and fairness to all involved.
It doesn't matter what our personal feelings are toward this or any other source. What matters is that we deal with EVERY source consistently, and use the means of testing and evaluating available to us, to make accurate and fair evaluations.
For the guys getting bloods done, please ask for guidance here if you are unsure of when you should get drawn in respect to your last shot. Also make sure you have been on cycle long enough to get an accurate result.
FuriousWO
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Ok I'll be that guy, how long after starting a test e/c only cycle do you recommend one wait? And how should we time it with our last pin?
I was going to wait until 6 weeks in, but I was now thinking about going after 4 weeks in case there is any issue I have time to salvage the cycle.
I was going to wait until 6 weeks in, but I was now thinking about going after 4 weeks in case there is any issue I have time to salvage the cycle.
Sorry to butt in but bickle29 is right. now there is a lot of problems but the two still in place is is anyone gonna order again from TL again so it can be tested or he has said he can send some test sample which we don't know if he is gonna make one strong batch as sample.
I don't get why there's any confusion here on blood work. TL himself has said he gets TT around 3300 on 600mg/week test. Lightspan reported 2000. That's two confirmed results, one from the OWNER of the freaking company that are VERY LOW.
Voltrader
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You know how it is Flenser the denial will run its course first. I am curious are there any other well respected members that actually jumped on this guy to at least test out??????
I am absolutely with you Flenser. But what I am reading here in the thread and in PM's are people questioning if the bloods are done too soon after start of the cycle, what if the bloods were drawn too long after the most recent shot, etc.
I just REALLY want us to disarm the folks that are trying to discredit the results.
FuriousWO
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Four weeks is really too soon to use for anything but personal knowledge IMO. No one will take the results seriously.
FuriousWO
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Ok then 6 weeks is needed, cool
What about the timing with the last pin, what's the recommended time after last pin?
What about the timing with the last pin, what's the recommended time after last pin?
lightspan
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Just to be clear, I pinned: 1 vial of 100 mg/ml prop, 100 mg eod, 1 vial of 250 mg/ml test e, 250 mg e3d, and 1 bottle of 100 mg/ml suspension in bits and pieces over 5 weeks prior to bloodwork. Blood draw was day 3 of week 5, and was 2.5 days on the dot from last test e pin. I chose 2.5 days base on Scally's statement in the thread Messy linked above, wherein he states peak serum conc is at 2-3 days. If there are issues with the timing of my bloodwork, it's worthwhile to comment and interpret the results accordingly. I want to be certain my results accurately reflect the gear.
Werent you pinning alot of Astro test too ? My computer security will not let me open PDF's . What was your test total and estro again Lightspan ?? ~Ogh
PS - your blood draw times look correct . Same as mine .
lightspan
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I pinned Astro prop twice at the end of the prop front load, due to pip.
TT = 1944, e2 = 84
With all you were on , it should be more .....wheres those 8,000 and 10,000ng Titan bloodtest I was reading last week ? More UGL hype ?? ~Ogh
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