Titan Labs

[mesoreader1]

Guys, please see my thread on online trt clinics. Why is there so much effort put into UGL's, scammers, underdosed gear, and so on but no push for a real quality outlet? All these threads are damn near identical, just with different titles..

 

[lightspan]

It's like a crack whore telling me it's ok for me to leave my wallet with her because she promises that she has no intention of stealing my money.

I'm still mad at that bitch.

 

[dnml]

You failed to read what Scally posted. Please read the linked thread (and reference relied on therein) again. The "approx. 2300 number" for a 600 mg/week single dose was the nadir value. Nadir. Lowest before next injection.

No I didn't fail to read it, thus my question re: When Titan tested.

Btw, were you injecting glutes, delts, quads? This will impact as well, as you may know. Delt inject almost doubles half life.

I want to get to the bottom of this like you, I have TL oil running through me now. .. Unfortunately I have other compounds from other sources so I cannot test effectively.

I just want to know the facts, and avoid the histrionic bitching from guys new to this who have no clue what they're doing, as that buries the facts.

If this turns out to be severely underdosed, I'll light this guy up like nobody's business. Not there yet IMHO.

 

[bickel29]

I am a little confused as to why one of his talking points is one of his own supposed blood tests. It's like a crack whore telling me it's ok for me to leave my wallet with her because she promises that she has no intention of stealing my money.

Gigalo - it has become a talking point because even his own results, from running his own gear, look low. Now if he had claimed really impressive results, it would have been a different reaction.

I believe it was Flenser who made the point that he had seen enough when he saw poor results from both Lightspan AND Titan himself!

 

[dnml]

THIS!! ^^

NOT ^^This my friend. .. kinda funny, in accusing me of failing to read, you've shown that You failed to fully read (or comprehend, don't know you, could go either way at this point my post.

 

[lightspan]

No I didn't fail to read it, thus my question re: When Titan tested.

Btw, were you injecting glutes, delts, quads? This will impact as well, as you may know. Delt inject almost doubles half life.

I want to get to the bottom of this like you, I have TL oil running through me now. .. Unfortunately I have other compounds from other sources so I cannot test effectively.

I just want to know the facts, and avoid the histrionic bitching from guys new to this who have no clue what they're doing, as that buries the facts.

If this turns out to be severely underdosed, I'll light this guy up like nobody's business. Not there yet IMHO.

Please post a study showing delt injections double the half life. I have never seen such a study, or data supporting such a claim. The intrinsic characteristics of the drug are not affected by what muscle you put it in. The activity of esterases is not muscle group dependent. The release rate into the bloodstream may be slightly different, but double? This is bro science at its finest.

And fwiw, I pin long esters in my quads.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

NOT ^^This my friend. .. kinda funny, in accusing me of failing to read, you've shown that You failed to fully read (or comprehend, don't know you, could go either way at this point my post.

What the fuck are you talking about now lame?

You're one of those jackasses that thinks he's smart but really doesn't have a clue.. Shilly bitch!! hahah

Gotta get back to work now, have fun twisting studies around to support your crazy opinions..

 

[dnml]

The tests aren't worthless especially with a member like light span posting them.. You keep referencing that study that dr. Scally was RESPONDING to, he didn't post it.. Your posts on this subject in titans thread are becoming suspicious at this point..

Holy shit you are a dumbass aren't ya lil guy lol.

Let me help you out here:

1. My saying the tests are worthless is not a personal attack on LS. Don't know why you took it that way, he didn't.

I will repeat, you cannot compare different tests using different testing protocols, and look at the different results and definitely say the products are the issue. Test has to be the same. Otherwise, they are... wait for it... Worthless!

2. Yes, I keep referencing a legit study posted by a doctor. In a couple posts down, *he states that it backs up everything he was saying*. Which is why I've been quoting it. If you have a problem with the study, your issue isn't with me, it's with Dr Scally. Have fun with that one.

3. Suspicious? Look behind you...boo! Look man, I've been completely neutral in my posts, and contributing some facts and not immediately falling for the drama. But to you, because I'm not bashing the guy, that is now suspicious. Once again, that's the pot calling the kettle black. I find your bashing of this guy without searching for any of the facts yourself suspicious. What competing lab are you shilling for?

I'm new here. I have no desire to make enemies or get involved in drama. I'm here to learn and contribute and I have a hell of a lot of experience. Dude, you have no idea who I am, but let me tell you who I'm not: the guy you come at like this.

Now let's get back on track, capiche?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Holy shit you are a dumbass aren't ya lil guy lol.

Let me help you out here:

1. My saying the tests are worthless is not a personal attack on LS. Don't know why you took it that way, he didn't.

I will repeat, you cannot compare different tests using different testing protocols, and look at the different results and definitely say the products are the issue. Test has to be the same. Otherwise, they are... wait for it... Worthless!

2. Yes, I keep referencing a legit study posted by a doctor. In a couple posts down, *he states that it backs up everything he was saying*. Which is why I've been quoting it. If you have a problem with the study, your issue isn't with me, it's with Dr Scally. Have fun with that one.

3. Suspicious? Look behind you...boo! Look man, I've been completely neutral in my posts, and contributing some facts and not immediately falling for the drama. But to you, because I'm not bashing the guy, that is now suspicious. Once again, that's the pot calling the kettle black. I find your bashing of this guy without searching for any of the facts yourself suspicious. What competing lab are you shilling for?

I'm new here. I have no desire to make enemies or get involved in drama. I'm here to learn and contribute and I have a hell of a lot of experience. Dude, you have no idea who I am, but let me tell you who I'm not: the guy you come at like this.

Now let's get back on track, capiche?

Fuck...

I don't have a problem with the study, I have a problem with you referencing 2300ng/dl on 600mg a week with the blood draw being done at the lowest level and comparing it to LS's test!!

It's suspicious because you've been a member here for 8 months and before this shit happened last night you had 8 fucking posts but now you're all over this thread..

I'm a shill for no one and I have zero interest in making any money with this shit.. People on this forum know me in real life and know this to be true..

Who the fuck are you again?? You sound like a pretty big deal..

 

[alphastrength50]

okok whos dick needs to be sucked? ill suck it just tell me.

 

[GigaloRob]

okok whos dick needs to be sucked? ill suck it just tell me.

Most honest statement in the thread

 

[dnml]

Please post a study showing delt injections double the half life. I have never seen such a study, or data supporting such a claim. The intrinsic characteristics of the drug are not affected by what muscle you put it in. The activity of esterases is not muscle group dependent. The release rate into the bloodstream may be slightly different, but double? This is bro science at its finest.

And fwiw, I pin long esters in my quads.

Not bro science at all:

Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Nandrolone Esters in Oil Vehicle: Effects of Ester, Injection Site and Injection Volume1

Authors

Charles F. Minto1Christopher Howe2Susan Wishart2Ann J. Conway2 andDavid J. Handelsman21Department of Anaesthesia and Pain Management, Royal North Shore Hospital (C.F.M.), and 2Andrology Unit, Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Department of Medicine (C.H., S.W., A.J.C., D.J.H.), University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia

Abstract

We studied healthy men who underwent blood sampling for plasma nandrolone, testosterone and inhibin measurements before and for 32 days after a single i.m. injection of 100 mg of nandrolone ester in arachis oil. Twenty-three men were randomized into groups receiving nandrolone phenylpropionate (group 1, n = 7) or nandrolone decanoate (group 2, n = 6) injected into the gluteal muscle in 4 ml of arachis oil vehicle or nandrolone decanoate in 1 ml of arachis oil vehicle injected into either the gluteal (group 3, n = 5) or deltoid (group 4,n = 5) muscles. Plasma nandrolone, testosterone and inhibin concentrations were analyzed by a mixed-effects indirect response model. Plasma nandrolone concentrations were influenced (P < .001) by different esters and injection sites, with higher and earlier peaks with the phenylpropionate ester, compared with the decanoate ester. After nandrolone decanoate injection, the highest bioavailability and peak nandrolone levels were observed with the 1-ml gluteal injection. Plasma testosterone concentrations were also influenced (P < .001) by the ester and injection site, with the most rapid, but briefest, suppression being due to the phenylpropionate ester, whereas the most sustained suppression was achieved with the 1-ml gluteal injection. Plasma inhibin concentrations were also significantly influenced by injection volume and site, with the lowest nadir occurring after the nandrolone decanoate 1-ml gluteal injection. Thus, the bioavailability and physiological effects of a nandrolone ester in an oil vehicle are greatest when the ester is injected in a small (1 ml vs. 4 ml) volume and into the glutealvs. deltoid muscle. We conclude that the side-chain ester and the injection site and volume influence the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone esters in an oil vehicle in men.

 

[dnml]

Fuck...

I don't have a problem with the study, I have a problem with you referencing 2300ng/dl on 600mg a week with the blood draw being done at the lowest level and comparing it to LS's test!!

It's suspicious because you've been a member here for 8 months and before this shit happened last night you had 8 fucking posts but now you're all over this thread..

I'm a shill for no one and I have zero interest in making any money with this shit.. People on this forum know me in real life and know this to be true..

Who the fuck are you again?? You sound like a pretty big deal..

In my own mind I'm a HUGE deal

And you're right, I don't post often, however I have a vested interest in how this plays out as I'm pinning TL too.

So there's my olive branch, answered your questions and explained myself which I didn't have to do.

But seriously, next time move a little slower with the accusations and read the full post. .. I've been in this game a long time - as a consumer/buyer only EVER - and just want to get to the bottom of this. Having said that, I will also always have a lot to learn, just don't have patience for the drama.

 

[hotdog23]

Lol alpha gets his PWO protein for free!

 

[Oregongearhead]

I'll say it again guys - PIN THE GLUTES !! You'll get more out of your gear if you do ....~Ogh

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

In my own mind I'm a HUGE deal

And you're right, I don't post often, however I have a vested interest in how this plays out as I'm pinning TL too.

So there's my olive branch, answered your questions and explained myself which I didn't have to do.

But seriously, next time move a little slower with the accusations and read the full post. .. I've been in this game a long time - as a consumer/buyer only EVER - and just want to get to the bottom of this. Having said that, I will also always have a lot to learn, just don't have patience for the drama.

I don't want to keep this going either.. At least not today..

As far as my accusations go, 60% of the time I'm right every time..

 

[devildog93]

Yea, that's what i got from reading that study blurb as well OGH. The glutes are a nice big muscle that according to the study provides the quickest bioavailability. Makes sense since that would seem to get the gear into your bloodstream highway in short order. I sure as hell have no interest in pinning sustanon or long chain test esters in my delt, at all.

 

[lightspan]

1. This is a study of nandrolone esters, not testosterone esters. I will grant that they have similar structures, and give you the benefit of the doubt. I won't raise the issue of what carrier oil was used.

2. Nowhere does this study say the half life of nandrolone esters is doubled when injected in the delt vs the glute. That was your stated premise. This paper does not provide data to support your conclusion.

3. Why are you saying the total T tests posted by me and Titan are different? He was running 500 mg a week, I was running 600. He got blood drawn 3 days after pinning, I got mine 2.5 days. Are you suggesting that the ms analyses are different? That because I went to labcorp in Peoria and he went to quest in Tuscaloosa that the results cannot be compared? Please clarify your premise as to why the tests cannot be compared. They are not identical tests, but it is well within reason to compare them based on amount of compound run by each subject and time to draw. Are there other variables, certainly. But for gross comparison purposes, there is adequate consonance between the tests.

I'm done having this pissing match. I knew when I saw my bloodwork yesterday that nothing good would come of posting it, and a bunch of half baked shit would get thrown around. And I was right.

 

[devildog93]

More info is always good. If everyone posted bloods we wouldn't have half the shit going on that we do. Of course source fans and sources themselves are going to give people shit. How does it usually turn out though... the fanboys hit the ground the hardest. It is like watching Cubs fans every year at around the all-star break, after they are basically eliminated from contention.

 

[Beastmodenation1]

1. This is a study of nandrolone esters, not testosterone esters. I will grant that they have similar structures, and give you the benefit of the doubt. I won't raise the issue of what carrier oil was used.

2. Nowhere does this study say the half life of nandrolone esters is doubled when injected in the delt vs the glute. That was your stated premise. This paper does not provide data to support your conclusion.

3. Why are you saying the total T tests posted by me and Titan are different? He was running 500 mg a week, I was running 600. He got blood drawn 3 days after pinning, I got mine 2.5 days. Are you suggesting that the ms analyses are different? That because I went to labcorp in Peoria and he went to quest in Tuscaloosa that the results cannot be compared? Please clarify your premise as to why the tests cannot be compared. They are not identical tests, but it is well within reason to compare them based on amount of compound run by each subject and time to draw. Are there other variables, certainly. But for gross comparison purposes, there is adequate consonance between the tests.

I'm done having this pissing match. I knew when I saw my bloodwork yesterday that nothing good would come of posting it, and a bunch of half baked shit would get thrown around. And I was right.

This is a shame. LS I Deff appreciate what you've done and thank you for sharing you're results.