Titan Labs

[BIGMESC]

I had a discussion with Dr. Jim a while back about the different absorption rates of different muscle groups. Like OGH said Glutes have the best transfer rate with quads coming in second.

Delts in particular and any upper body muscle group have the slowest absorption rates. Which could in effect double the half life.

The answer I was given as to why this is, was that it has to do with the amount of blood being moved through the muscles. Glutes and quads have larger amounts of blood being moved through them and that they are seldom in a static state (at rest) compared to other muscles, while delts have less blood flow and are more often in a static state of rest.

 

[brutus79]

Guys, please see my thread on online trt clinics. Why is there so much effort put into UGL's, scammers, underdosed gear, and so on but no push for a real quality outlet? All these threads are damn near identical, just with different titles..

And you are a spammer soon to be banned.

Is anyone really surprised Titan is underdosed? I would pretty much classify anyone who thought this sounded legit as shit for brains.

 

[lightspan]

I re-read my post and realized I sounded like a whiny bitch. Let me take another bite at it...it get tiresome reading the endless justifications and hypotheses as to why my bloodwork is fine. It's like playing whack a mole, as soon as one hare-brained idea gets hammered down, there's another that pops up.

So for all you armchair medicinal chemists, you're right. It must be that I pinned in my delts (I didn't), that I tested too late for peak serum conc (I did not), that I tested too early in my cycle (again, no), that my split injections are responsible (horsehockey), that I am an alien and metabolize testosterone at a supraphysiological rate (truth). Keep digging. You'll have this rationalized away in no time.

Edit - the really cool thing is that I documented EVERYTHING in my cycle log. No edit after 15 mins means what I did is preserved for posterity.

 

[brutus79]

I re-read my post and realized I sounded like a whiny bitch. Let me take another bite at it...it get tiresome reading the endless justifications and hypotheses as to why my bloodwork is fine. It's like playing whack a mole, as soon as one hare-brained idea gets hammered down, there's another that pops up.

So for all you armchair medicinal chemists, you're right. It must be that I pinned in my delts (I didn't), that I tested too late for peak serum conc (I did not), that I tested too early in my cycle (again, no), that my split injections are responsible (horsehockey), that I am an alien and metabolize testosterone at a supraphysiological rate (truth). Keep digging. You'll have this rationalized away in no time.

Don't worry light- that douchebag dnml just reeeeeally doesn't want to have gotten burned, so that means you pinned your toes or something.

 

[BIGMESC]

As to Dr. Scally referencing the report, he used it to back up his claim of a x10 blood level. If at 600mg dose once a week for 18 weeks produces a blood level of 2300ng 7 days after last dose (the lowest point of trough, nadir) than at the peak the value would be minimum of 4600ng.

The splitting of the dosage does very little to change the peak values once the initial loading weeks are complete. The total amount of testosterone being released from there deposits is very linear by this time.
What changes the most is a decrease in the dramatic swing in testosterone levels between injections.

To illustrate look a the two following graphs, both are for 600mg a week. one in a single dose and the other every 3 days.

Look at the every 7 day dosing the peak is nearly 3 times the base (nadir) value. If we used this measurement on the reported values we would have a peak of greater than 6000ng

http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=8&t...sterone&c0_f=enanthate&c0_s=3&c0_fr=1&c0_to=8

http://steroidplot.com/share/?l=8&t...sterone&c0_f=enanthate&c0_s=7&c0_fr=1&c0_to=8

 

[BIGMESC]

lightspan I apologize if my post came across as faulting you in any way. The very opposite was intended, My point was that your blood levels should be much higher no matter what day you had blood drawn between split E3D doses.

I re-read my post and realized I sounded like a whiny bitch. Let me take another bite at it...it get tiresome reading the endless justifications and hypotheses as to why my bloodwork is fine. It's like playing whack a mole, as soon as one hare-brained idea gets hammered down, there's another that pops up.

So for all you armchair medicinal chemists, you're right. It must be that I pinned in my delts (I didn't), that I tested too late for peak serum conc (I did not), that I tested too early in my cycle (again, no), that my split injections are responsible (horsehockey), that I am an alien and metabolize testosterone at a supraphysiological rate (truth). Keep digging. You'll have this rationalized away in no time.

Edit - the really cool thing is that I documented EVERYTHING in my cycle log. No edit after 15 mins means what I did is preserved for posterity.

 

[Blacken]

I just want to say thank you to LS for the blood work sorry you go burned but you have helped many others who were considering pulling the trigger put a pause including myself.

I would like to hope this is a mix up on Titans end that he will learn from his poor protocol with checking from his supplier. I hope Titan will learn to mass spec everything for now on. What Titan does now decides his fate does he learn from this for the better or repeat the same mistakes. The man has stated he's new to the game on this level, mistakes will happen and it's learning from them that will making him become a good source or not.

As of now however the guillotine is being sharpened.

I love Meso for looking out for it's members it's the only place I would feel safe every purchasing from a UGL. Sadly currently pickings are slim we have Titan the newblood which might have underdosed gear or Astro the overworked because there are no other solid sources.

 

[lightspan]

lightspan I apologize if my post came across as faulting you in any way. The very opposite was intended, My point was that your blood levels should be much higher no matter what day you had blood drawn between split E3D doses.

No sir, you are golden in my book. I was being a whiny bitch. I took an aromasin and punched myself in the face. All good.

 

[TruBodybuilder1989]

For the people saying it's about time TBB posts in here well that time has came. And all I can say is I'm discouraged and I hope Titan rights the ship. The x 10 rule seems only applied here, haven't heard it anywhere on any other forum. Not saying it's right or wrong so I'm just sitting back and looking forward to the discussion.

 

[Titanlabs]

Well...delt injections may double the half life? Learn something new every day.

As has been stated, yes they are lower than I would expect. Period. That said, I want to wait until some more blood work shows up for more reference points.

As far as mass specs, if any members have access to them then they should let the community know. Testing illegal compounds is not exactly something that is easy to do

If this is not resolved with more blood work or the mass specs do not come through then we will address the issue accordingly and switch suppliers if need be.

TL

 

[ironwarrior]

Damn, come back from vacation and shit has really started to hit the fuckin fan here. Lightspan, thanks for your blood contribution, it is unfortunate indeed to see those numbers. I would really like to see another blood test to see where that measures up, anybody close to that point yet?

 

[GigaloRob]

For the people saying it's about time TBB posts in here well that time has came. And all I can say is I'm discouraged and I hope Titan rights the ship. The x 10 rule seems only applied here, haven't heard it anywhere on any other forum. Not saying it's right or wrong so I'm just sitting back and looking forward to the discussion.

To be honest i don't think anyone really puts much stock in what you have to say especially pertaining to this thread.

 

[vvegas]

Don't see how seeing more bloodwork would effect my opinion on TL having underdosed test... Think you need to start rebrewing / retesting raws .. even if I saw ten blood works in a row over dosed it doesn't really change the fact at hand .. LS and TL owner both used under dosed gear so something went wrong

 

[Beastmodenation1]

What does this say about TL other products I have 2 vials of his tren ace. Anyone besides gettinbigger running his tren or any other product?

 

[pumpingiron22]

I would suggest that every one get there bloods done as soon as possible.

 

[vvegas]

I would suggest that every one get there bloods done as soon as possible.

Agreed everyone should get bloods done regardless on cycle .. I just think with two data points everyone should almost agree there was a problem with qc .. it scares me when a lab or owner of the lab tested his gear on himself got low end / underdosed results and it was ok for him to proceed with his process then his end product seems even worse .. hopefully bad raws / lack of qc but if your test is bad raws and you can't catch it with qc tests.. what about the more expensive raws.. I have no pony in the race just pointing out what seems obvious to me

 

[TruBodybuilder1989]

To be honest i don't think anyone really puts much stock in what you have to say especially pertaining to this thread.

Can I truthfully ask why the hate? You all think in dumb and stupid? Lmfao yeah I'm an RD with various minors in nutrition and sports exercise but I'm a retard. Your logic makes zero sense. Truthfully I'm upset this issue has happened, you do not I have ZERO stock in Titan Labs.

 

[brutus79]

Can I truthfully ask why the hate? You all think in dumb and stupid? Lmfao yeah I'm an RD with various minors in nutrition and sports exercise but I'm a retard. Your logic makes zero sense. Truthfully I'm upset this issue has happened, you do not I have ZERO stock in Titan Labs.

You are right! About being a retard!

 

[GigaloRob]

Can I truthfully ask why the hate? You all think in dumb and stupid? Lmfao yeah I'm an RD with various minors in nutrition and sports exercise but I'm a retard. Your logic makes zero sense. Truthfully I'm upset this issue has happened, you do not I have ZERO stock in Titan Labs.

I don't hate you personally. I simply speak the truth. You don't get it both ways. You want to sit here and deep throat this guy so much that his knees were rubbing your chin. Then on the first round of items there are already issues. You sir vouged for titan. You decided to back him that deep and put your integrity and word on the line. Now you can sit here and see what backing a source so hard can do to your "word" or repuation on here when things go bad. Again why would anyone take one word you say in this thread at face value?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I don't hate you personally. I simply speak the truth. You don't get it both ways. You want to sit here and deep throat this guy so much that his knees were rubbing your chin. Then on the first round of items there are already issues. You sir vouged for titan. You decided to back him that deep and put your integrity and word on the line. Now you can sit here and see what backing a source so hard can do to your "word" or repuation on here when things go bad. Again why would anyone take one word you say in this thread at face value?

I'll give him credit for popping back up when shits not looking well though..