Oh yea, 10,000 is a little ways off 1944, when I seen that 10,000 it should have been a big ass red flag.
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Seriously, I get it. But, if you read the thread, you'd both know the other compounds were disclosed with the admission of my bloodtest. There's more possibilities to draw from that than shilling. I assure you, I'm no shill. Don't include my bloodwork in forming your opinion about Titan, if you'd like. But, really, no one's hyping anyone. Well, I'm not, at least. I'm just as eager as anyone else to see this play out.
This is something I was also wondering as far as what that study took into account.
If they were doing one 600mg shot per week then that is going to give different results with the same timing of bloods as compared with doses that are split roughly twice per week.
Im going to go see what blood work I can dig up but those are not low by any means from dozens of panels that Ive seen. My 3300 levels were on 500mg per week (two shots per week or e3.5d as compared to e3d basically) but that was also with split doses. So considering that the peak will not be as high with split doses, as already pointed out, I dont think they are really that off.
We really need to get more results to compare to though. Hopefully will hear back on mass specs soon and will update when I do.
TL
Also, Im not deflecting at all. I just pointed out that we had another blood work reference point with the same results. Ill look around and see if I can dig up more bloods with the same dose and timing protocol so we can get some more data points.
TL
The 10K didn't seem out of place to me at the time, since you said you were running 1.7cc eod, or 2.4g per week test prop. If it were just above the 10,000 limit, you could still have been running some very under dosed gear.
I misread your earlier post then. I understood the 3300 to be at the same dose as LS, 600mg per week rather than 500. My levels at 500mg per week split into two injections are always in the high 4000's. Yours would be at the very low end of normal.
Ozzy619
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Thanks Bickel
hotdog23
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I have a gut feeling that I will never receive my order...
lightspan
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I've been very cool, and I'm going to try and remain so, but this inverted logic is rubbing me the wrong way. If we are using your bloodwork as a reference (and you, not us, decided to use that number for comparison), you were running 500 mg a week and got a 3300 ng/dl TT. I was running 100 mg a week MORE than you, yet my levels were 1350 ng/dl LOWER.
My levels absolutely should be higher than yours were. More compound = higher level, period, IF what I am pinning has the same amount of hormone as what you were pinning. The split dose is irrelevant, we were both splitting doses, that is not germane, and if anything, my greater frequency of pinning means I am building up more compound in my system. Eliminate it as a variable, that only benefits you.
How you can conclude from this "I don't think [my TT value is] really that off" is beyond me.
When in your cycle exactly did you get blood drawn? How many days from pin to blood draw? Did you front load or run other compounds? Maybe I am missing something here. I continue to give you the benefit of the doubt, but posts like the one above are not helping, the logic is just plain wrong.
Not sure where you got 2.4g prop per week. 1.7cc is 170mg eod which is 595mg/wk (170*3.5)
however, that 10,000 is clearly way high. Not sure what to attribute it to but if it were me I would have a re-test (or two) done to confirm those results.
This has not been my experience but everyone metabolizes the hormone differently too. Just from a few quick googles, most guys running 500-600mg/wk were in the 3000-3500 range.
That said, Ive seen guys with very low estro conversion (and Im assuming high dht conversion) that get wildly different results from other people. They also tend to be the ones with male pattern baldness and tend to hold less water as well.
Man, I emailed and PMed you last night and told you when it would ship. Everyone will get their orders
I just used mine as a reference because I knew the number off the top of my head, and then we had another reference posted in the thread as well.
I agree it is low and I think we need some more tests to see if it is a personal difference or if the purity is not up to par.
I am on year around so I can't say how long it was into the "cycle" but I had been running that dose for a couple months before bumping it up a considerable amount. Bloods were taken 3 days after last pin so roughly the same timing.
Obviously, my numbers mean nothing which is why I really want to stress that others get bloods done. I know that is a cost to them and, again, I will offer store credit as a way to reimburse/thank members.
dnml
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Not confusion, but a lack of facts and clarity re: testing protocols.
i.e. How do you reconcile the approx. 2300 number from the study Dr. Scally posted, from 600 mg week, with Titans 3300 week from 500 mg week?
How long did Titan wait before his bloods?
And etc. Without proper and similar testing methods, the tests are worthless, right!?
Kinda like a color blind guy using Labmax
My bad math. I can't figure out where I got it either.
mesoreader1
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Offering credit for people willing to run blood work. Thats solid
Ha, funny you should say that.Kinda like a color blind guy using Labmax
johnnyBALLZ
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Not confusion, but a lack of facts and clarity re: testing protocols.
i.e. How do you reconcile the approx. 2300 number from the study Dr. Scally posted, from 600 mg week, with Titans 3300 week from 500 mg week?
How long did Titan wait before his bloods?
And etc. Without proper and similar testing methods, the tests are worthless, right!?
Kinda like a color blind guy using Labmax
The tests aren't worthless especially with a member like light span posting them.. You keep referencing that study that dr. Scally was RESPONDING to, he didn't post it.. Your posts on this subject in titans thread are becoming suspicious at this point..
lightspan
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Not confusion, but a lack of facts and clarity re: testing protocols.
i.e. How do you reconcile the approx. 2300 number from the study Dr. Scally posted, from 600 mg week, with Titans 3300 week from 500 mg week?
How long did Titan wait before his bloods?
And etc. Without proper and similar testing methods, the tests are worthless, right!?
Kinda like a color blind guy using Labmax
You failed to read what Scally posted. Please read the linked thread (and reference relied on therein) again. The "approx. 2300 number" for a 600 mg/week single dose was the nadir value. Nadir. Lowest before next injection.
johnnyBALLZ
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Not sure where you got 2.4g prop per week. 1.7cc is 170mg eod which is 595mg/wk (170*3.5)
however, that 10,000 is clearly way high. Not sure what to attribute it to but if it were me I would have a re-test (or two) done to confirm those results.
This has not been my experience but everyone metabolizes the hormone differently too. Just from a few quick googles, most guys running 500-600mg/wk were in the 3000-3500 range.
That said, Ive seen guys with very low estro conversion (and Im assuming high dht conversion) that get wildly different results from other people. They also tend to be the ones with male pattern baldness and tend to hold less water as well.
Man, I emailed and PMed you last night and told you when it would ship. Everyone will get their orders
You can google all the bloodwork done on low dose test you want.. MOST ugl's sell low dosed products that doesn't mean that's what the numbers should be.
This conversation has happened here dozens of times over..
johnnyBALLZ
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THIS!! ^^
I am a little confused as to why one of his talking points is one of his own supposed blood tests. It's like a crack whore telling me it's ok for me to leave my wallet with her because she promises that she has no intention of stealing my money.
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