Titan Labs

[devildog93]

TBB, i have seen guys with doctorates that don't have the common sense to be able to change the oil in their cars. I have also seen PTs and others in the medical field who only seem qualified to put together cheeseburgers. I don't put all that much stock in the university paperwork behind a guy until he shows he can put the rubber to the road so to speak.

After all, it wasn't all that long ago we had the AMA telling us they didn't think steroids worked at all. Now that they have been shown to be hacks they have gone on the attack.

 

[GigaloRob]

I'll give him credit for popping back up when shits not looking well though..

They always stick around in the early stages. There will be promises of testing,mass spec,changing of suppliers,etc.. so I'm sure he will be here to comment on how titan is trying to make it right. The stand up thing to do would of been to come here and apologize for pushing this source so hard.

 

[burdistheword06]

Hey listen fellas I'm new here but I got baseline blood work last week i get results thurs. Now id happily run a cycle of whatever you trusted vets recommend and post my results n levels every step of the way. Let me know what you think. I know that doesn't help at the moment, but I'm only trying to help the situation if at all possible, but if I'm way off base just try not to rip my new asshole too too wide, thanks

 

[Ozzy619]

Hey listen fellas I'm new here but I got baseline blood work last week i get results thurs. Now id happily run a cycle of whatever you trusted vets recommend and post my results n levels every step of the way. Let me know what you think. I know that doesn't help at the moment, but I'm only trying to help the situation if at all possible, but if I'm way off base just try not to rip my new asshole too too wide, thanks

Thanks, but don't put yourself out there too much and don't be a guinea pig for anyone. Im already running titans gear but have to wait a couple weeks to get my blood work done.

 

[lightspan]

Hey listen fellas I'm new here but I got baseline blood work last week i get results thurs. Now id happily run a cycle of whatever you trusted vets recommend and post my results n levels every step of the way. Let me know what you think. I know that doesn't help at the moment, but I'm only trying to help the situation if at all possible, but if I'm way off base just try not to rip my new asshole too too wide, thanks

nice me will second ozzy's post and suggest this is not the ride for you.

not nice me will say how convenient you just got pre-cycle bloods last week, but haven't started a cycle. what exactly were you waiting for? and what a fortuitous coincidence, you're here just in time to volunteer to run free gear, for the good of the community.

you can pick which one you like.

 

[Gettinbigger76]

Holy shit you are a dumbass aren't ya lil guy lol.

Let me help you out here:

1. My saying the tests are worthless is not a personal attack on LS. Don't know why you took it that way, he didn't.

I will repeat, you cannot compare different tests using different testing protocols, and look at the different results and definitely say the products are the issue. Test has to be the same. Otherwise, they are... wait for it... Worthless!

2. Yes, I keep referencing a legit study posted by a doctor. In a couple posts down, *he states that it backs up everything he was saying*. Which is why I've been quoting it. If you have a problem with the study, your issue isn't with me, it's with Dr Scally. Have fun with that one.

3. Suspicious? Look behind you...boo! Look man, I've been completely neutral in my posts, and contributing some facts and not immediately falling for the drama. But to you, because I'm not bashing the guy, that is now suspicious. Once again, that's the pot calling the kettle black. I find your bashing of this guy without searching for any of the facts yourself suspicious. What competing lab are you shilling for?

I'm new here. I have no desire to make enemies or get involved in drama. I'm here to learn and contribute and I have a hell of a lot of experience. Dude, you have no idea who I am, but let me tell you who I'm not: the guy you come at like this.

Now let's get back on track, capiche?

Not here to make enemies??? Well, you just insulted one of the most respected guys on the board jack ass... Good luck with that

 

[Colt44]

nice me will second ozzy's post and suggest this is not the ride for you.

not nice me will say how convenient you just got pre-cycle bloods last week, but haven't started a cycle. what exactly were you waiting for? and what a fortuitous coincidence, you're here just in time to volunteer to run free gear, for the good of the community.

you can pick which one you like.

I'm partial to option 2.

 

[Blacken]

@burdistheword06 It's not the ride for you if you did that ride nobody would trust it being you are new and it's not worth being a guinea pig.

@Ozzy619 I know you are already on Titans gear I would really respect your test as I trust you from short time I've been here. Thank you for taking bloods for us when you get the chance in a few weeks.

 

[burdistheword06]

Reasonable question, I've actually suspected that I have low t for a long damn time and I finally went to the doc to find out and hopefully do something about it. But I go back Thursday for my results and if my levels are low he might treat me, but for me that's a gigantic if. So I want to make sure this problem of mine gets dealt with sooner than later, and I never said anything about it being free. So yes for the good of myself and this community.

 

[Beastmodenation1]

Just curious how do you guys afford to get bloods done multiple times my insurance will only cover me once a year for blood work. After that it costs me out the ass

 

[burdistheword06]

And believe me I'm not trying to be anyone's guinea pig, I just thought that a group of very experienced users could help show me the way better than I could ever do on my own.. And if I could shed some light on this "underdosed" debate in the process then all the better

 

[dnml]

1. This is a study of nandrolone esters, not testosterone esters. I will grant that they have similar structures, and give you the benefit of the doubt. I won't raise the issue of what carrier oil was used.

2. Nowhere does this study say the half life of nandrolone esters is doubled when injected in the delt vs the glute. That was your stated premise. This paper does not provide data to support your conclusion.

3. Why are you saying the total T tests posted by me and Titan are different? He was running 500 mg a week, I was running 600. He got blood drawn 3 days after pinning, I got mine 2.5 days. Are you suggesting that the ms analyses are different? That because I went to labcorp in Peoria and he went to quest in Tuscaloosa that the results cannot be compared? Please clarify your premise as to why the tests cannot be compared. They are not identical tests, but it is well within reason to compare them based on amount of compound run by each subject and time to draw. Are there other variables, certainly. But for gross comparison purposes, there is adequate consonance between the tests.

I'm done having this pissing match. I knew when I saw my bloodwork yesterday that nothing good would come of posting it, and a bunch of half baked shit would get thrown around. And I was right.

I think you misunderstand me LS, I have no problem with you and appreciate you posting your bloods. I've also read most of your log and it's good stuff.

My ONLY purpose was to make sure there were not any other explanations, and I said in my first post that I had some questions of my own as this is a somewhat complicated topic, and I am learning as well.

To your #3. I must have missed where Titan said he had bloods done 3 days after last inject, if that's the case then the tests are ENTIRELY comparable. Nothing to do with LS/MS etc., although I'm glad you got something out of my other post.

Joking aside, it is starting to look like this is grossly underdosed, esp. If Bigmesc info re: split doses not having much of an impact is true.

As I've said from the start, my only dog in this fight is what is in the gear, as I am running it too.

 

[dnml]

Don't worry light- that douchebag dnml just reeeeeally doesn't want to have gotten burned, so that means you pinned your toes or something.

Huh? And why specifically am I a DB? For contributing, citing a relevant study and posting another, asking questions, etc?

Next time I'll be sure to mention how although I've never cycled, the gear I ordered showed up quickly and has pretty labels and is g2g. Fire brah!

But seriously, first question wasn't rhetorical. Maybe I acted the fool, so? ??

 

[dnml]

Not here to make enemies??? Well, you just insulted one of the most respected guys on the board jack ass... Good luck with that

Yes I did. After he accused me of being a shill. What would you do? Just curious. ..

 

[vivame]

Btw, were you injecting glutes, delts, quads? This will impact as well, as you may know. Delt inject almost doubles half life.

Not bro science at all:

Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Nandrolone Esters in Oil Vehicle: Effects of Ester, Injection Site and Injection Volume1
[...]

I don't think you can get anywhere near doubling of the half life from delts.

From the same study,

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/281/1/93.full

In our case, you want to look at the black circle and the black square.

 

[Voltrader]

Yes I did. After he accused me of being a shill. What would you do? Just curious. ..

You need to thicken that internet skin of yours. You say shit a certain way you are going to be called a shill. Just move on and prove that your not it is not like your the first guy to be called a shill that wasn't. So calm down. This is my good deed for the day.

 

[vivame]

[...] that I am an alien and metabolize testosterone at a supraphysiological rate (truth). Keep digging. You'll have this rationalized away in no time.

I knew it you're an alien, no wonder your bloods are low... Ahh, for a moment there I thought TL might be underdosed; but the alien thing is more likely

 

[Gettinbigger76]

Yes I did. After he accused me of being a shill. What would you do? Just curious. ..

It depends on what I wanted my end goal to be... If I wanted to merely squash the accusation, I would
1. probably do my best to use my intelligence to prove to the board that I can understand their apprehension and ask what I could do to help them see that I was trying to contribute to the cause or
2. I would not have said anything in the first place and let the vets sort it out...

But on the other hand, if I wanted to come off like a self righteous dueche bag, I would've handled it exactly the same way as you...

Does that answer your question??

 

[dnml]

I don't think you can get anywhere near doubling of the half life from delts.

From the same study,

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/281/1/93.full

In our case, you want to look at the black circle and the black square.

Not going to lie, I'm not sure if I'm even reading this correctly, but it appears to me that on day 1 there is more than twice as much Deca in the bloodstream from the glute inject vs delt.

In any case, whether it's twice as long or less, the point is that different sites affect the active life and bioavailability.

There is a much better study I read yrs ago that was done for this sole purpose, as opposed to this one where it seems to be a secondary part of the study. This was all I could find on the fly earlier though, and for the purposes of this conversion (re: blood levels and time of draw etc.) it's appropriate.

Thanks for posting the graph vivame

 

[dnml]

[QUOTE"Gettinbigger76, post: 1071710, member: 66751"]It depends on what I wanted my end goal to be... If I wanted to merely squash the accusation, I would
1. probably do my best to use my intelligence to prove to the board that I can understand their apprehension and ask what I could do to help them see that I was trying to contribute to the cause or
2. I would not have said anything in the first place and let the vets sort it out...

But on the other hand, if I wanted to come off like a self righteous dueche bag, I would've handled it exactly the same way as you...

Does that answer your question??[/QUOTE]

Self righteous? If I came off that way, my bad.

Re: Your #1, I don't disagree, although I thought that was evident from my posts.

Re: #2, what's your definition of a vet? Someone who has been a member here fora couple years, 1000+ posts, and had cycled 4 or 5 times?

Or someone who is newer here, made a few posts contributing, and has been at this for 20+ years?

Flex your Forumus Dorsi and maybe I'll care